Banana
My bet is Rex is in the opposite guild and Pie’s wincon is lynching him

then y didnt luna try to lynch wylted? or do u think its just one guild leaders wincon and not both?

Banana
I’m not lynching Rex. Lynching an un CC’d cop is terrible town play. I don’t care what he aligns with. He has to win with town no matter what

nobody wants to lynch him, we want him to give up his guild. theres strong support that there is a mafia inside it and we need to know who that is. rex should have given this up already after strongarming pie into revealing he is guild lead. we are applying voting pressure to help encourge him to reveal the informatin



Banana
Then Pie finally reveals. Oh shit- Their claim had absolutely nothing to do with Rex's role? The question of if the guild members of Rex's people knew checking them was a thing did not even have any bearing at all on their alignment claim or confirming that they are town? Hmmm. Interesting.

he was asking because he knew he was town confirmed, so for a guilty to happen he had to have been framed or bussed. this means that someone in the tiger guild set this up because he had likly told someone in your guild chat that he was planning on investigating pie. so unless you can come up with a better reason that the result was wrong, it seems like a set up. and lets be honest it would have worked and pie would have gotten mislynched if he wasnt the guild leader. mafia got very unlucky with that.


At this point Pie has utterly and completely lied. The question is why. Scum would obviously want a full role claim and to know who was recruited and unlocked town powers. Lets pause for a second before I ramble about the rest and consider this. That Pie absolutely lied demanding information they did not need acting like it somehow was critical to them being cleared and now it seems like its total bullshit.

he was literly just asking a yes or no question about whether he had voiced his target to the chat about who he would investigate. why are u so opposed to believing that the tigers dont have a mafia insider in it?


Is Pie confirmed town with their claim? I would say in no way. The best evidence is the lack of a counter claim. We know that their guild only got 1 recruit D1 and do not know who (if anyone) was recruited past then. We have not seen a single person step forward and claim that "Yes, Pie was the original guild owner" and absolutely nothing has been confirmed in the slightest. Yet now they are again pressuring the only revealed guild member to out their people and role because.... Uhh... Fucking why?

this is silly. if pie wasnt the guild leader why wouldnt the real guild leader expose him? also if they are wanting to play safe for some reason they could have someone else in the guild who isnt the guild leader expose it. and lastly we can actually verify this when wylteds role is revealed. the doubt here is so confusing to me if u are a town motivated player. in fact my whole town read on u is evaporting completely now cuz i dont get why u r defending this so hard

Banana

i do think its funny that giving up after something sus happens is a recuring thing tho. first with alyssa, who just disapered, then with shining who never gave his justification and vanished, and now with rex after a bad result. could just be a timing thing but its odd to see it so many times in a row

Banana

i don’t like doing this because it seems Rex was set up. but if he’s gonna be stubborn after pie already claimed we don’t have a choice


vtl Rex

Banana
Isn't the theory that that's Shining? Did I read incorrectly?


one person mentioned that could be shining yes. shouldn’t we hear it straight from Rex tho

Banana
Alr I'm caught up. I'm fine with either Shining or Kohai today. My suspicions of Pie had been subsiding as Kohai continues to look worse; he's obv conf town now.

u dont think the other tiger guild member is suspicious? it’s been pointed out that pie was set up by someone in that guild


Banana
My only fear is that Pie is just a regular guild member, but his mates are so confident he's town that they're willing to lie (or confirm through silence) that he's the guild leader, which leaves a margin for error that he is scum but he's just successfully fooled them. This seems like a slim chance though.

if they did that then they are risking the game on a gut read

Banana
Now you see why I wanted it written in writing?

i figured there was prolly some reason for what was happening that’s why i was just waiting to see what was gonna happen instead of jump to conclusions and take a side

Banana

okay so on the rex/pie issue, looks like we have one claiming a guilty result on the other. the dp has stalled as we wait for this to come to a conclusion. i get the arguments for both sides about who should claim first. i guess i dont really care who does and am sure this will get resolved eventually, so i will withold my reads on those 2 for now.


mestari basically led the lynches on thoth/alyssa so if hes scum hes throwing, so i think hes town


kohai, i didn't like his slot at first because of claiming town cred for the thoth lynch despite starting it for different reasons, but his behavor this phase is a lot better so im starting to rethink him, or maybe its just because he has been suspicioius of the same claim from shining as me and im being biased wich leads me to


shining has a very wierd claim and it seems odd for town to have. he logged off b4 claiming his justification also which i dont like and he should have led with that. i think he is likly scum


awesome doesnt have the strongest claim either but the justification seems to make sense. i wil say if hes scum its something that a scum partner helped him with tho because i didnt even know that airmax funded the website and i have never seen awesome before this game so he shouldnt kno that either


casey risk has had a steep drop off in activity, i am losing my read on them but i thought they were townie dp1 because they were asking a lot of questions. i liked the instance to ask people in dp2 who we would kill if we weren't going after alyssa, she seemed to be going to the right direction with her thoughts. i would like to see more from her this dp tho to really have more of an opinin cuz shes faded to the background


wryly i still think shes town for what i said dp1, her overal activity has been a positive and she seems deeply invested in the game. i think she would be more hesitant and careful about how she is posting if she was scum after recent games but she seems genuinly town here


magics activity just kind of stopped or slowed majorly after dp1, i was initly feeling like he was town but i would like more from him as well. hes kind of been a non presence lately. he may be town confirmed because of the poison thing tho so i think we could benefit from hearing more from him at this point


helz as been strangely in rexs camp this whole time. he seems more invested in it than it than i would expect. that said its strange to me how quick hes willing to doubt that pie can confirm himself. he has been going out of his way to encourage patience from ppl but seems pretty eager to jump to conclusins now, i am not a big fan of that. before this whole thing i was town reading him, so maybe he just reallly believes pie is scum and its clouding his judgement, idk


wf was a big factor in the thoth lynch and gets a lot of town credit for that, and he has been helping with lots of theme knowledge. there are some questions about a few statements he made erly in this dp but i dont see why he would do those things as scum, so he is proly just town and doing a mech we dont understand atm, i will let him do his thing and im sure it will be made clear at some point but hes proly town


vader claims doc and to heal magic so hes probly firmly town here


i think scum is between awesome, shining, kohai, casey, helz and maybe one of pie/rex depending on how that plays out


Banana
I feel like this isn’t difficult to figure out. If you research either of the two posts you’re referencing of mine, you can put this puzzle together, but if you really need me to spell it out, I can.

i dont get it either but i dont think you should spell it out whatever it is. it doesnt make sense for u to do it as scum either way

Banana
Your initial argument was a what if to begin with that requires a lot of assumptions

i wasn't making an argument, just warning kohai not to be closed off to the idea that u being scum is possible. i am not even suggesting u r scum or anything.

Banana
because i've played a bunch of mafia games and literally ever mafia chat (other than turbos) has a channel that has everyone's role cards? and sometimes fake claims as well

i admit u have a point here