Current Game:
None
Sign-ups:
Casey Risk - Deltarune Mafia
In the Hopper:
iLikePie5
Savant
Lunatic
AnonymousIcon
RationalTheist
REF - Suikoden Mafia
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Current Game:
None
Sign-ups:
Casey Risk - Deltarune Mafia
In the Hopper:
iLikePie5
Savant
Lunatic
AnonymousIcon
RationalTheist
REF - Suikoden Mafia
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Alright then, cool! Glad you've decided to join us then!
Players:
Got it. I will say that the games we play here have lots of diverse and sometimes complex roles, moreso than in a more simple/traditional Werewolf/Mafia game, but if you're familiar with the concept, you'll probably adapt pretty easily. Feel free to ask me any questions you have tho.
Welcome! Have you ever played Mafia before?
Players:
(Recreating this one since my previous thread apparently got deleted. For the full experience, listen to this as you read slowly and dramatically)
Once upon a time, a LEGEND was whispered among forums.
It was a LEGEND of LIBERTY.
It was a LEGEND of ORDER.
It was a LEGEND of LEFT.
It was a LEGEND of RIGHT.
This is the legend of DEBATE CRAFT.
For millenia, LEFT and RIGHT have lived in balance,
Bringing order to the INTERNET.
But if this harmony were to shatter...
a terrible calamity would occur.
The website will crash with errors
And the users will leave with disappointment.
Then, her heart pounding...
DART will draw her final breath.
Only then, shining with hope...
Three HEROES appear at WORLDS' edge.
A CODER,
A MODERATOR,
And a PRESIDENT FROM DART.
Only they can create a new site
And ban the ADBOTS AND SPAMMERS.
Only then will balance be restored,
And the COMMUNITY saved from destruction.
Today, the DC FORUM-
The section that gives this place DISCUSSION -
Stands tall at the center of the kingdom.
But recently, another section has appeared on the horizon...
And with it, the balance of LEFT and RIGHT begins to shift...
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Sign up here to play in Deltarune Mafia! This will be a 10 player game. I've had the idea for this game for a while now, even before the recent release of chapters 3 and 4. As such, this game is based entirely on chapters 1 and 2.
For those not in the know, Deltarune is an episodic RPG by Toby Fox and serves as a parallel to Undertale, using many of the same characters but in a different story. If you haven't played it yourself, you can play the first two chapters completely for free! I would highly recommend giving it a try.
Since email notifications aren't a thing here yet, I'll ping people on Discord.
I think the rule is that I can only win as mafia when I'm on a team with Pie, lol.
Good game! A little bit of a shame that the town lost since there was some genuinely good town play in it, particularly from WF and Mharman. Unfortunately, some baffling play from Icon also really hurt the town, as did the sudden hammer from RT. That quick and easy DP1 definitely helped us out a lot.
Thanks to Mikal for hosting this game! It was fun. Sorry for going AWOL towards the end, life has been crazy. But hey, we still won!
Hmm, that’s a borderline CC of REF’s claim.
I agree. I'm thinking the team might just be Shining/Ragnar. Still want to see Vader's claim however.
During the day1 I did not suggest I had any power role. I literally specified not having any ability to kill anyone, and indicated if a certain proud and white member of town survived the night, it would be evidence I was neither scum nor a vigilante.
So this is wrong on a couple of counts. For one thing, you did clearly indicate to me that you had a PR. You told me that you had no scum pile and were considering using RNG to figure out who to target. Also you said that if Mharman died on NP1, that would make you look bad because he'd be your target if you were scum or a Vig. But if you're aware that him dying would make you look bad, then of course you'd avoid doing that. That's just a pure WIFOM argument.
Since you think I'm scum, please explain your theory for how I knew we had a motivator, knew he would target me (I think it's more likely he targeted whiteflame, but all the same), and knew that both you and whiteflame wouldn't be targeted by anything with notifications from other townies that night?
You yourself got Motivated as scum. Simple explanation.
Yeah, you only have two shots with your power; having it in play tonight when we have good information, would have been better than whatever shot in the dark... But let's explore this a touch more, you think I'm scum, and talked you out of using your power; why would I then waste a valuable RB on you in spite of the assumption that you'd take no action?
I didn't even tell you that I was going to waive or who I was thinking of targeting. You would have had no way of knowing if I was going to waive or who I was going to target if I didn't.
Why do you care about dying with your role?
This is my question as well. The whole point of a role like that is to absorb the NK in place of a better town role.
I am Donkey Kong, one of the first ever video games to have a 'damsel in distress' plot. Donkey Kong kidnaps Pauline, so Mario has to rescue her. Therefore, I can 'kidnap' someone at night, blocking actions used on them or by them. Though it's only a 2x role. So basically a 2x Alien.
NP1 I waived. I had practically no reads. My only real townread was Ragnar, and he had already indicated that he had a PR of some sort in our Mason chat, so I didn't want to interfere with that, and I figured that using my role on anyone else would probably hurt the town.
NP2, my first instinct was to use my ability on Rex since I sussed him, but Pie told me he trusted Rex based on his role, and I wanted to give that a chance to play out. Ragnar suggested that I use my ability on him and he would waive. However, I said that I was going to target Pie instead. My thinking was that if he was town, he was a likely NK target since he was pretty widely townread, plus he didn't have a night action anyway, so there was no downside to targeting him. However, I ended up swapping back to Ragnar at the last minute, though without telling him. Something about him telling me to target him when he had such a useful role felt odd to me. Plus, the more I thought about it, the justification for his role felt weak to me. Pikachu has electric powers, and therefore Lightning Rod. Like, I understood it, but it felt a lot less straightforward than every other justification I had heard up to that point. So I switched to Ragnar on a hunch and ended up getting roleblocked. NP3 I targeted him again and was RB'ed a second time. Also worth noting that he suggested that I waive on NP3. So obviously, I'm very sus of Ragnar now.
Listen, I don't have much time on my break here. If you scumread me based on behavior, fine, but I'm not lying about being busy. I used to just have to work on one line with five presses, now I've got two with nine total presses, in addition to my other responsibilities. I've just been occupied with too many other things today.
I'm not giving my role publicly, and I have my reasons why. I have told it to Ragnar since I still TR him. I will at least give you my character: Donkey Kong. That's all I'm saying for now.
I will say that Mharman's ISO effort comes off as SUPER towny. Rex's diagram is also a bit towny.
I'm going to be busy at work today up until the deadline, but I'll try to be as active as I can. My choices for the lynch today based on reads and PoE would be RT, Shining, and Rex. I still think there's likely one scum between RT and Rex, so ideally one of them should be the choice today imo.
Yeah dude. Totally solvable. Wonder if there's an informed perspective there. It's funny cause she was 3rd on that wagon, now suddenly it was completely solvable and now means I could've been doing whatever conspiracy.
An informed perspective is what I was getting at. I think scum would have had an easier time figuring out that Icon was 3P. Obviously they would have known he was not also scum, so then it's just a matter of whether he was actually 3P or just a TI, and I think that was solvable. Doesn't mean it was obvious. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. Regardless, I wasn't pushing you with that post, I was literally townreading you. I no longer had a scumread on you by the end of DP1, and I said as much to both Pie and Ragnar in our chats.
Im having a hard time following the logic on this? We’ve lynched Beloved Princesses before. That2 comes to mind in Russian Mafia. We were right that she wasn’t BP, but she was sadly town.
This is true, but the case against her was based on behavior and the circumstances behind her claim. I think that RT is sus along the same lines, I just think that Rex's argument that we should lynch RT for claiming BP because she'd die the next night anyway is flawed and doesn't make much sense to me.
Tetris is one of the most popular games. PM talks about it having the most copies sold
Yeah okay, I believe that.
The person who is setting off the most alarm bells for me currently is Casey, and I’d like to pursue them for a claim at this point. I don’t love that Casey claims I “hinted” at Luna being flipless (don’t recall saying anything of the sort), and the explanation for why there shouldn’t be a Janitor just doesn’t sit well with me given that scum could easily have faked being in a Mason chat or just refused to give up their role. Feels like fishing.
Going to respond to the second half of this first, because I vehemently disagree - scum could not have 'easily' faked being in a Mason chat with anyone other than a partner, because otherwise they would have been contradicted. The only claim regarding Mason chats right now that is even theoretically possibly a lie is RT claiming to have been in a Mason chat with Luna, and that's just because of the sudden hammer. If he had waited slightly longer to hammer, we could have all outed who we invited. And besides, I feel like you're totally missing the point I was making here, which is that a Janitor in this game would be weak because of how limited scum would be in using it - using it on anyone who is not exclusively in a Mason chat with you would be a huge risk, because they may have told their Mason buddy about their character and role (like Luna did to you). A Janitor would be so narrowly useful that it just doesn't make much sense to me to include it in a game like this.
As for you 'hinting' at Luna's role being flipless - yeah, that was just me mixing up my memory of what you said with my own ideas about the game. I did remember you saying that you knew something about his role and that you weren't going to share all the details yet (fair enough). I guess I conflated that in my mind with my own conclusions about Luna more likely being flipless than being Janitored.
Casey didn't mention anything about it, but I was like first or second on the kill Icon wagon (so no point in anyone pressuring me to vote when I had already voted), but he also doesn't chat much at all in Discord from what I've seen.
This much is true. Also I'm pretty sure Ragnar and I were the first two to vote for Icon so there wasn't much reason for us to discuss the lynch anyway.
If Pie is a popular wolf then this is the most scum sided game in history. I'm treating pie as almost conf town
You should have seen my Classic Movies Mafia, lol. FYPOV, assuming you're town, I can see why you'd assume Popular was more likely town based on balance analysis. Obviously I'm not convinced you're town, however, I do think that Popular tilts toward town. Behaviorally speaking, I do think Pie feels a little towny this game. It's really hard to read Pie behaviorally, since he's genuinely very good at keeping his behavior consistent from game to game, so my read on him isn't super strong, but I do get good vibes from him so far.
SR Rex, Vader, Ragnar
Why Vader and Ragnar?
Sorry for not being more active, I've been busy at work today. Give me a moment to collect all my thoughts. But first,
Unvote
Since Pie got confirmed.
What’s the point of claiming Chrono Trigger if he planned on stealing someone’s role for a fake claim? He’d be limiting his justifications.
Stealing Lunatic’s role is bad if he knew Lunatic was in a chat with someone else, since Lunatic could’ve given said other person information
I think you have some good thoughts here, but I'm not certain Luna was actually Janitored. I was surprised to see that Luna didn't flip today, as the whole Mason thing this game seemed like it would make a Janitor low utility for the scum team. Like, you'd possibly still be able to steal someone's role, but only if they weren't already in a chat with a townie, so there's a lot of luck involved. I think it's more likely that Luna simply had a role that didn't flip for some reason. WF sort of already hinted at that.
I’m Tetris, and I require one additional vote to be lynched, so basically the Popular Townie. Mikal clarified that I deactivate at MYLO/LYLO.
Why does being Tetris make you Popular?
Regardless, I'm fine testing this out, no reason not to.
VTL Pie
Scum are already in a PM with their faction. So they chose a townie or a possible TP with their Mason ability to work out more info/help their play. That means we can eliminate all the current combos of 2 as scum pairings
Getting back to this one: Pie actually told me about this idea already in our chat, and I partially agree with it. I agree that scum would not be looking to waste their Mason invitations, though there is inherently a bit of WIFOM with this line of logic. Still, prima facie, if two players are in a Mason chat together, all other things being equal, I would agree that they are more likely unpaired than not. I don't think this can be used to hard solve the game but it does help.
Also going to mechanic SOP that I did not choose anyone. I didn't realize that you had to choose before Dp1 ended. I probably would've chosen Pie if I would've looking back at DP but right now I am in a PM with Whiteflame at the moment. I've given him my thoughts on some of the players as well after skimming
You know what, I buy this. I also don't think scum would waste their Mason invite opportunity like that, and I don't think Vader would likely make this mistake as scum given that he'd have a partner or two (I'm leaning strongly towards a 8-2-1 game based on Icon's flip) to remind him and discuss Mason strategy with him.
I get that RT's claim is sus. I understand sussing it. My confusion is with the statement that we should lynch him before scum had a chance to NK him. Even with the original writing of the role, if we had some other reason to townread him (just to be clear, I don't see one right now), I think the notion that it's functionally the same for town to sacrifice a lynch to achieve the same effect as scum using an NK for the same effect doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I agree that I mistrust the claim for a number of reasons, I just don't like that your response to the claim was, in part, that we're going to lose the DP anyway, so why not sacrifice the lynch while we're at it?
I don't make anything of Rex reading RT's typo literally, but this does actually raise a good point that I was actually thinking about even before you posted this: even if RT was a bog-standard Beloved Princess, why would that mean immediately lynching him? It doesn't make sense. It's like using the logic of "this player is either scum or town, that's two options, so we have a 50/50 shot of hitting scum if we lynch them" but completely unironically. Not to mention that if there's a doctor in the game, protecting the Princess only makes sense, and there probably is some kind of protective role in the game. So I don't think it's a given that RT dies tonight if he's town.
I will say, however, that the way Rex has been hard pushing RT tells me that they're most likely unpaired. I can't 100% rule out a bus but I don't think it's likely at this early point in the game. I feel like one of those two should probably be the lynch today.
Also I stopped scumreading you after you said you were doing a reaction test with your vote on Rex. It fit with your playstyle and I was willing to believe you were genuine about that. I meant to say that DP1 but I forgot to mention it.
do you have any good argument as to why a mafioso would try to out the survivor?
Responding to this now - fair point, but I think it became pretty obvious pretty quickly that Anonymous was probably going to be the DP1 lynch yesterday, and I think it was probably solvable that he was either lying for some strange reason or just completely misunderstanding this game when he said he was from the 16th century. It was so far outside of what everyone else was claiming, and I don't think any game from that long ago can really be considered 'retro' per se. Like at that point, it's older than retro, it's just old.
That being said, I will say that that Survivor question was more likely to come from town you than scum you, so you're not in my scum radar anymore for the time being.
Wow, been a quiet game so far. I was expecting to have to a bit to catch up on, but there hasn't been much, huh?
I don't like RT's claim. Beloved Princess is inherently a scummy claim. It's like Super Saint in that deflects lynches while the variant also provides a convenient excuse for staying alive late in the game. Though I will grant that it does seem trendy on DART/DC right now. However, in terms of behavior, I'm still not crazy about RT. The sudden hammer surprised me, idk why Luna would tell him to do that, and he's dead now so we just have to take him at his word for that.
Still kinda busy, will share more thoughts in a bit.
Out of curiosity, what makes you TR Whiteflame?