Between Mikal and Pie they both verify the accepting Jesus thing. Then WF Independently verified targeting both of them and last night no kill screams innocence on Mikal.

Otherwise WF and Mikal have to not just be teamed but also chose to no kill for the optics plus have a T! Pie confirming the Christian play.

Weird world potential of all 3 being the team and dragging me into their scum chat to fuck with my brain but that is moderately unreasonable imo.

the most logical conclusion is simply that WF and Mikal are town

I do not see a world with Ultra being town unless either your 1v1 being fake or the kill block being fake

Pie*

You being in a hardcore 1v1 with Rex positions ultra as scum to me.

we know a kill was stopped. It’s very likely WF’s doing. That also makes Mikal not mafia.

I have reason I won’t say to believe Wryly is 3p which I have decided I am fine with. We need them.

That leaves a pretty hard pool. Unless mafia no killed or your 1v1 is a bus the team is exactly Rex, Poe, and Ultra

I do have the tangential problem though of being rather wrong if ultra is town.

Unless your doing a super wild bus play right now they kinda have to be scum (or at least not town) for my world view to make sense.

like, unpack from your shoes a world where Ultra is town. That shit requires wild potentials like scum no killing and such

Yeah, part of my problem is I am not seeing any reason Ultra would pull the same bullshit as town.

Yes it’s frustrating to me but is it scummy?

I honestly haven’t even looked at wagonomics this game.

Both eliminations blew my mind. The first one I still can’t believe and the second one with a town self voting just hurt my mafia soul.

(Never self vote as town. Always self pres and counter wagon)

I’m not putting much on the lie detector kill. I do not think many people did not recognize that coming. I even saw it so clearly I made a hardcore clear emphatic post for them to use if they wanted

MeowMix wrote:

Helz wrote:

I understand the post you made and I do intend to read through your iso again. But could you walk me through your thinking on your targeting? The post you referenced did not get me where I want to be understanding your mind.

Do you mean about whiteflame or when I asked Rex what his win con is?

I mean why you specifically targeted them

I did once. The scum team was really fucking pissed off about it though given they killed me to get rid of me as a player and not to get rid of my role

I understand the post you made and I do intend to read through your iso again. But could you walk me through your thinking on your targeting? The post you referenced did not get me where I want to be understanding your mind.

Yeah, I’m finally getting to the point I have a decent amount of notes to look at. I really shoulda passed on this game but that’s 100% my problem

Another problem we have is that we specifically need mafia kills to survive so long as 1 is not a lie.

If we hit a neutral today and don’t block the kill we just loose tomorrow.

That and we do not know if the Neutral can town side. I’m a little surprised that the Mafia has not just open wolfed and attempted to pair the game today but they have the same problem in such a gamble followed by the problem of if a neutral would reveal.

I had intended to fake claim 3p and follow up with the host confirm but the reveal happened first thing. That and I wanted to hide the Bullet proof bit so functionally these were intentional nerfs to my role.

Mechanically Wryly has the most likely to be 3p role but I am fine with it. If there is any potential to keep WF alive it’s them or pie and a second kill block would be huge for us.

I really do not want to resolve Ultra. Im just frustrated that we at some point are going to bet the entire game on a coin toss which is bullshit. Its just a question of when and if we are going to pick heads or tails which really fucking sucks.

Im most interested in the hard 1v1 between Meow and Rex or just resolving Ultra.

Ultra is a fucking problem. I see no possible way anyone could read them and I do not see them co-operating to allow that to happen. At some point we roll the dice with them one way or the other which is some bullshit but short of another Lie Detector move and believing Meow we are not left with much.

Wryly I am not opposed to not claiming today unless we hardline decide to go for them. If we are looking at other slots it does not make sense to force reveal that information 'yet' and could result in a second blocked kill. Obviously WF will be targeted tonight so having a slot that can potentially do things puts the Mafia in a worse place (unless Wryly is themselves mafia)

I do find Rex's "Canadians do not deserve to live" comment a bit out of place. Its kinda a strong opinion about a group not many people give the slightest fuck about. I can not remember the last time someone voiced strong like or dislike for that group.

For Meow I would ask specifically why did you target the people you targeted? I figured I would have made an excellent target before I revealed and Ultra was a hot topic to be sorted as well. Can you unpack your thinking for me?

MeowMix wrote:

For example;

Classic masons are two townies who know exactly who the other person is.

Alternatively, somebody yoinks you into a chat. What are you supposed to do? Maybe you're bored and want someone to talk to? Maybe you think this can give you an edge? Is this person town or scum? If they are town yes we can come to a consensus. Yes they must be town because they are listening to me. I would never kill my partner from my chat. We're on the same team.

Hopefully that clears things up.

Yeah, The chat is labeled as a mason chat but is more of a neighborhood imo. Probably my very first question upon entering it was if the people in it felt the chat was pure. The dynamic of the lack of kill with a protect claim is a massive indicator imo that takes 2 people off the table for the day entirely and I am not very interested in sorting Pie today.

But our strongest mechanical position is if we consider I am confirmed town and WF stopped the kill then Mikal was targeted for the kill we have a pretty tight PoE. There is a singular issue I have about Mikal I am not sure if it was voiced here but I am also not interested in chasing that today.

Friends don't let friends drink that bullshit

MeowMix wrote:

Me and my friend were drinking in the garage a few days ago. This gigantic flying roach flew in and landed next to this seltzer can. The exact same can that my friend missed when he tried to toss it across the room into the trash. It crawled in, probably because it's an alcoholic flying roach.

Suddenly, we were perplexed; what do we do? How do we resolve this issue?

SMASH IT. And indeed he did. Smashing the can at the opened end and dooming out roach friend.

RexFavilla wrote:

I love that Mikal's killer theory is that 2/3 of the scum team were opposing the disastrous mislynch spanning two DPs that will likely cost town the game if they're dumb enough to mislynch me today. Its kind of poetic in a way - should town believe that town has been this retarded without help from the scum team and therefore continue to be retarded and lose the game?

But in his defense the only way out of this is to posit a me/wryly scum team. Personally if I were him I would have bussed and played the long game.

It is interesting that you do not include yourself in the group when you refer to the town.

RexFavilla wrote:

Lemme guess what happened:

Helz was pulled up into the scum treehouse because he has had an irrational hateboner for me all gane and I was the mislynch for today.

Hes the obvious NK target and it's going to be MYLO. Scum will win after mislynching this DP whether they killed last night or not. So one of them pretends to have protected him to get ironclad towncred for the final DP while they waive the kill. Its either scum are smart enough to do that or they're dumb enough to kill the obvious protection target and get blocked. The way they've been playing, I'm betting on the former.

I am just asking you for your opinion.

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

How are you so certain REF is town?

Cause she's town and not in a PM which is a scum brainstorming session.

Okay bro, then help me understand

Just read the last few DPs. Wryly and I have been the only ones trying to solve this game. All of you were doing nothing but mewling last DP because we weren't lynching town fast enough. If you Mikal and WF had your way we would have lynched Wylted in 20 minutes and we would have had zero behavior to analyze at all. How many times did Mikal do his soap opera routine about how dumb town was for not wanting to lynch town right away. No exploring other options. He's scum. If you're going to lynch me go for it. I'm sick of this game. Wryly is the only other competent town player here, the rest of you are either scum or retarded/lazy.

If Wryly is scum she deserves to win for at least being capable of simulating intelligence.

assuming you are town and disregarding the information I have that you do not, where do you feel I should push today?

Im looking at either a very tight PoE or a hard mech lie but I would love to hear your thoughts

Debating another piece but Rex hard claims exact role and actions + reasoning or if they drag their feet they die.

The PoE is pretty tight. I have back end questions I am digging into but I think we are in a pretty safe zone to eliminate correctly. While we have a series of Mylo/Lylo situations to deal with its also in our favor that scum has not played well. Town has just played like shit. And we can change that.

Im getting warm fuzzy feelings.

But @Rex I would like a hard claim from you first.

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: RexFavilla

Kill this and move on.

Unvote please for the time being.

So I think this is our path forward-

Starting out I want everyone to hold off on voting. We are either 5/3 or 4/3/1 for the gamestate. This means 1 vote could be a loss with 2 town on 1 player giving scum the ability to end the game instantly. Lets be careful there.

Secondly I want hard claims of roles with their actions and REASONING for why each action was taken. That last bit is what I want the most. Here is a player order to claim-

Rex

Meow

Ultra

Wryly

Pie

I understand I am asking for claims that have already happened. If there was any nonsense FPS moves this is the time to clarify. I am thinking hard claims and then we move forward. If anyone disagrees with this order let me know prior to them coming up in the list and I will consider it.

Well on the bright side Ultra/MeowMix/Rex/Pie/Wryly seems likely to be 4/5 scum. So we do have a very tight PoE unless scum did a high level play I would not expect here.

Good to see we all lived. I am rather unhappy to see the game start so soon. This game is becoming painful to have a life around. but I at least have some measure of time today. Duno about Monday/Tuesday.

Interesting point.

Go on. I would like to hear more

wylted wrote:

I know for a fact who the scum team is. It is whiteflame Mikal and ultra just lynch ultra first then Mikal then whiteflame in that order and you win. However if condition one is true the game is over and I accidentally town read the TP

It would be much more useful to me if you gave reasoning. Specifically I am interested in hearing why Rex is town to you.

But I am open to hearing outside of the PoE argument you made (I did watch your video) why those 3 are scum. Any indicators you noticed would be great to point out so I can dig into.

MeowMix wrote:

Helz wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

DAY IS DONE YOU RETARDS

Twilight is normal here. Chat stops when the host declares that it stops.

what the fuck

Its a thing. There is a number of social norms in this community thats very divergent of pretty much everywhere else on the internet. The levels of OOG nonsense and communication are quite a bit extra for example as is the mech obsession and hardline flavor AI angling.