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Yeah, many are not good at understanding how good they actually are. Actually re-reading your game after it ends to understand what you were correct and incorrect about does wonders. Being honest with yourself about when you took hard positions and what about can show you what tells actually work for you. But these things require actual work. Small amount of players that are willing to actually train and improve.

I think I will be a bit of a culture clash D1. Seems like a number of people will want to just quick hammer. At that point might as well have had a RNG kill and flip N0 or just start with N0 night actions. Seems like a waste and I love the challenge of hunting with zero flips and mech knowledge.

I really do think its very possible to identify clear differences in behaviors D1 though. I outlined one with exactly how it works and why it exists but there are more. People not knowing how to hunt D1 does not translate into D1's being worthless.

A user from a community I managed that I have grown to call a friend over the years. They knew I have done official debate and manage some debate communities in one way or another as well as my absolute obsession with Mafia. Basically figured this was a place I should get involved in and invest some effort in.

I can not really say there is a normal or that I come from a specific site now. MU and SC2 were my mains. SC2 is largely inactive outside of KRC and I am unable to play on MU.

Over the last 2 or 3 years I have been mostly pulled into games on random sites by people that know me or jumping into games on smurfs or sometimes doing hydras with players that want me to kinda teach them what I see about games and situations. Most are the average 12-15 player range maybe? I struggle with interactive heavy formats and kinda avoid those games. I more enjoy the deep dives into complex analysis and strategy than people just rambling off the top of their heads and doing gut reads. I also do enjoy doing mashes. While I can not usually read everyone it does present a unique challenge of information overload to manage by either alignment.

I think under 20 players and over 12 would be my sweet spot for preference. Although an 8p mountainous can also be fun. Kinda rambling. But I do not have any normal any more given I do not have a core place of activity any more or even a user name I use commonly as I play.

Oh for sure. That makes a lot of sense. In small games it really does not matter. Once you start getting into the 1-3k posts per day area you either decide to limit your amount of give a fuck or try hard and view the night phase as a vacation.

I kinda have this dumb thing where I put in the same amount of time regardless. It just becomes a question of how deeply I will break the game down as either alignment tracking player bias and loyalties or hard reading players and diving into meta so I always love the break. But I agree it serves both the purpose of the night action submission 'as well as' giving players time off kinda thing.

I totally get that. But I feel its more of a factor for turbo games. Some people dedicate a lot of time to games. When I go really try hard I probably spend 8 hours or so a day on the game. Having a day or two off inbetween day cycles makes that ok. When its nonstop every day by D3 I would be either burnt out and doing less or begging to get myself eliminated.

Fast games does not = good games. Imo night cycles are not just about taking the minimum necessary time to do a night action but also gives players time to go about their real lives and enable time to participate in the day cycle when it starts.

I have never looked at data like that but I could certainly see it as the case. I believe there is a very specific reason though- Most players do not actually understand scum hunting or how to deal with D1.

Breaking RVS and actually creating information shows patterns of loyalty and votes that can be used after the fact with process like sociometrics and wagonomics. It also gives PR's something to go off identifying 'good' vs 'bad' players instead of just having some RNG D1 and N1.

My preferred focus D1 (shooting myself in the foot explaining this) is to hunt for the gap in reasoning vs certainty as an individual pushes people. This drives from the core difference between a mafia player and a town player in that the Mafia player knows who is town or not and has to fake their reads creating a situation where they have to gauge the level of expressed certainty they should convey. A town player does not have this problem and if they can articulate their positions you will always be able to recognize their reasoning matches their level of certianty.

This is strongest at D1 when town is least informed yet mafia is absolutely informed. Thats one objective tell that drives from the very nature of how the game works that can be identified in behavior. (But again, most mafia players do not think like this or understand such concepts) and I believe this leads to a factor of why D1s are semi useless for many.

I will also say mechanically its an awful idea to just RNG the D1 elimination. If nothing else go for a skip vote and start D2 with RNG N1 actions as opposed to having some RVS elimination.

Ehh, Super vague question. I have not played a mafia game yet to know that bit. From what I have looked at seems to be very open minded with complex mechanics.

For moderation seems pretty chill. I do not see overtly hateful rhetoric and personal attacks but I also do not see virtue signaling moderation pushing an ideology. Seems like a good balance there.

For debates its a pretty cool format. I kinda dislike a couple of aspects such as getting locked into a debate with someone using AI or a debate being declared a draw if nobody reviews it and the framework being modified during the debate (which is really dumb to me) but its better than I have seen in most places.

Duno if that answers your question?

Yeah. 500 posts per day for a person is straight spamming imo. I have played some super high activity games and rarely seen that. Its always the people that want to be ultra interaction focused saying in 30 posts what they could have in 1 that end up causing that nonsense.

I would disagree that 500 posts in a day phase is anything remotely weird. I have played plenty hitting 2k posts in day 1 and such. Just depends on how try hard the community is and their style of interacting.

Something I stay mindful of about night phases is that its not just about how long is needed for the player to do the thing. A big factor is also that people have lives. Having days off from playing mafia is important to some.

I will bite. Same disclosure as the other game that I am subpoenaed for testimony in a murder case. Prior to receiving alignment know that if I voice I will be stuck in court that is what it is. I never use IRL excuses for in game advantage and I would ask that the player base never accuse me of such if I can not be around for an EOD and such.

/In

I think removing lynch as a term is a positive.

What it really means and why? Who gives a fuck? Point is if people are butthurt hearing it no harm in trying to be considerate.

I would push a separate issue I see as far as community management in the way that is enforced. I will publicly say that I think some sites have utterly lost the plot with moderation weaponizing victimization. People are allowed to force their will on others voicing that they are offended in a toxic and harmful way to communities. I would simply voice that the way such a policy is implemented should be controlled.

Without saying what a place is there is a major mafia community that has a secret list of naughty words they police to the extreme while refusing to release what they consider not ok to say. They smite people for slipping up and saying commonly used words such as lynch. They attack users for having a different culture and punish them based upon unspoken standards. Should we move in that direction? I do not think so. And I do not think such policy even remotely creates cleaner Mafia games.

I think a middle ground exists strongly encouraging users to not use the term "Lynch" and punishing only if they are using it with intent to offend or chronically ignoring said policy without becoming one of the places that virtue signals and causes harm to the community in the name of standing on a soap box. Thats my two cents.

Just to X post from discord-

"Hey guys. I’m very sorry about the game. Having some serious family issues atm irl. For real. I’m not flaking or something. I don’t think I’m able to host this game rn."

I would expect an unknown amount of time delay. Looking forward to playing with you guys if it happens but as timelines shift things are what they are. Better to have a delayed game thats run well than one that forced and has issues just to stick to a timeline imo.

Lol. I feel roasted.

Legit offer though. I do not want to hear in the game that I am lying and prior to people having alignments they can challenge this and I will throw info to the host or an unbiased third party to verify what I said. I just do not want to hear in game if I am stuck in a court all day because of a murder trial that I was lying about it after the game starts.

If anyone questions this and feels I am setting up for advantage I am comfortable showing the host legal documentation they can verify just to keep things clean.

I just got a subpoena for a pretty serious case that may fall within the time frame of this game. If that happens expect periods of inactivity from me that are not AI as I am letting the players know this before ever having an alignment. But I may end up with lengthy periods of time in a court room in which I will not be able to play. As I understand more I will look at if its enough of a conflict that I will be unable to play.

Just voicing this in advance so if I say I am in court and unable to be around for an EOD or anything of that nature that its not considered angleshooting to justify in game motives.

Tons. My strongest presence was in SC2 Mafia after I took over development of the starcraft mod.

/sign

Been looking to figure out how good the players here are. Some wild closed setup seems like a good place to get my feet wet.

Prior to game start expect potential low participation until the end of the month. Also expect me to shove people hard as either alignment to break RVS as quickly as possible and get the game going through strategies people not obsessed with Mafia for years may find odd.

While I would like to I will not have the time this month. I could potentially uninformed spectate and be a replacement but I am a bit of a try hard and do not play games unless I can dedicate time to them.

I am interested at seeing the level of play here. Also unsure on how to identify chunks of information I would want to know if I was a player and it will let me understand whats 'normal' here.

/spectate