ILikePie5

VTL: Lunatic

Wya

Anyways, I’m sure Mikal has been in games where Hated deactivate at MYLO/LYLO. He’s conveniently forgetting, which is similar to what he did recently when he was scum. Food for thought. Functionally it’s the same here unless there’s a Vig in a 9p game and we can be at MYLO on DP2, which makes no sense

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 11:24 AM (post #89)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 12:22 PM (post #87)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 12:18 PM (post #86)

I'm confused anyway. How is Hated a free kill for scum?

Hated goes to Mylo / LyLo if hated doesn't deactive scum get a quick hammer and a win

But Pie's saying his does disable at MYLO/LYLO, which now that I think about it is the only way that role even remotely deserves to exist.

The only way it doesn’t is if Town misfire a Vig, in which case it’s 4-2 at DP2, which is retarded. But even if that were the case, scum couldn’t quickhammer me because I would need 3 votes to be lynched. Only way we auto lose on DP2 is if Vig misfires AND scum have a second NK. Which makes zero sense

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 11:22 AM (post #87)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 12:18 PM (post #86)

I'm confused anyway. How is Hated a free kill for scum?

Hated goes to Mylo / LyLo if hated doesn't deactive scum get a quick hammer and a win

We only lose if LYLO comes on DP2, which would require a Vig Misfire and 2 NKs on same night lol

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 11:22 AM (post #87)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 12:18 PM (post #86)

I'm confused anyway. How is Hated a free kill for scum?

Hated goes to Mylo / LyLo if hated doesn't deactive scum get a quick hammer and a win

I just explained to you how that’s basically impossible on DP2 lol

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 11:01 AM (post #84)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:57 AM (post #82)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:52 AM (post #81)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:47 AM (post #80)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:44 AM (post #79)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:42 AM (post #77)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:39 AM (post #75)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #74)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)

When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.

Since there's no guarantee it is disabled in MyLo then I do think that a PL may be warranted here. Sorry pie. Please don't hate me and Mikal.

???

Unless there’s a Vig that misfires, it’s practically guaranteed my power deactivates. I just did the math for you above

There's a lot of assumptions. It assumes:

1) We have a vig

2) The vig shoots correctly

3) We lynch correctly.

If one of those assumptions fail then this could be bad

Youre actually retarded. I’m telling you that the game is likely 7-2, meaning UNLESS there’s a Vig who MISFIRES, I am guaranteed to have Hated deactivate on DP3

Calculating scenarios

7 - 2

ML today and assuming 1 NK

5 v 2

Day 2 becomes the day before LyLo

ML again

3 v 2 - day 3 becomes LyLo.

Worse case - vig misfires n1 and we ml day 2

7 - 2

becomes

4 v 2

d2 is mylo

Unless my calculation is wrong we have almost 0 margin for error

Exactly my point. What reason do you have to believe there’s a Vig in a 9p game. We all know ur balance was atrocious in your game. REF is not like that at all.

You're the one who brought up the vig possiblity

Yes, my point being this is not a policy lynch lol

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:52 AM (post #81)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:47 AM (post #80)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:44 AM (post #79)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:42 AM (post #77)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:39 AM (post #75)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #74)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)

When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.

Since there's no guarantee it is disabled in MyLo then I do think that a PL may be warranted here. Sorry pie. Please don't hate me and Mikal.

???

Unless there’s a Vig that misfires, it’s practically guaranteed my power deactivates. I just did the math for you above

There's a lot of assumptions. It assumes:

1) We have a vig

2) The vig shoots correctly

3) We lynch correctly.

If one of those assumptions fail then this could be bad

Youre actually retarded. I’m telling you that the game is likely 7-2, meaning UNLESS there’s a Vig who MISFIRES, I am guaranteed to have Hated deactivate on DP3

Calculating scenarios

7 - 2

ML today and assuming 1 NK

5 v 2

Day 2 becomes the day before LyLo

ML again

3 v 2 - day 3 becomes LyLo.

Worse case - vig misfires n1 and we ml day 2

7 - 2

becomes

4 v 2

d2 is mylo

Unless my calculation is wrong we have almost 0 margin for error

Exactly my point. What reason do you have to believe there’s a Vig in a 9p game. We all know ur balance was atrocious in your game. REF is not like that at all.

And anyways, 4-2 would be MYLO and scum would still need one more townie to vote with them to lynch me, because you would would need 4 or lynch in 4-2, but for me it would be 3, so scum would need a townie to sell. It’s not a guaranteed victory by any means.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:44 AM (post #79)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:42 AM (post #77)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:39 AM (post #75)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #74)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)

When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.

Since there's no guarantee it is disabled in MyLo then I do think that a PL may be warranted here. Sorry pie. Please don't hate me and Mikal.

???

Unless there’s a Vig that misfires, it’s practically guaranteed my power deactivates. I just did the math for you above

There's a lot of assumptions. It assumes:

1) We have a vig

2) The vig shoots correctly

3) We lynch correctly.

If one of those assumptions fail then this could be bad

Youre actually retarded. I’m telling you that the game is likely 7-2, meaning UNLESS there’s a Vig who MISFIRES, I am guaranteed to have Hated deactivate on DP3

Giving scum 2 Kills is retarded, jfyi. REF is not Kohai

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:39 AM (post #75)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #74)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)

When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.

Since there's no guarantee it is disabled in MyLo then I do think that a PL may be warranted here. Sorry pie. Please don't hate me and Mikal.

???

Unless there’s a Vig that misfires, it’s practically guaranteed my power deactivates. I just did the math for you above

Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/19/2026 at 2:27 AM (post #58)

I don't know if I exactly scumread it, but it strikes me as odd that Pie said in #8 what Hated Townie does, as though we don't all know that.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/18/2026 at 4:11 PM (post #33)

Townpiling Pie for the Hated SOP for now, though I don't know what the track record is of scum claiming Hated to discourage wagons. I'm gonna assume if it's a common scum play he wouldn't do it.

I dunno how claiming Hated would discourage wagons. Accidental/"accidental" hammers can happen to non-Hated players too. Pie isn't going to disappear if one person picks him for Random Vote Start.

If something is a common scum play, that is probably because it's been tested and found to be good for scum.

Nice shade

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)

When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/19/2026 at 9:29 AM (post #64)

Also never saw a hated that ends dp3 most dont even deactivate on mylo. Its diff than popular.

Thats not true at all. I’ve seen multiple Hateds whose effects end on MyLO/LYLO

Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/19/2026 at 9:26 AM (post #62)

I think we have to kill pie. Its unfortunate but having a hated around is just a free kill. Daughter is moving to Texas this weekend so wont be around much. Played cus rex asked. But votes going on pie cus hated is a liability

Deactivates on DP3, which would be MYLO/LYLO anyways

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/18/2026 at 6:10 PM (post #36)

Wow this DP is moving slow. This really isn't good news for someone who only had today free.

If you’re going to be inactive, then just full claim, so we don’t go into tomorrow blind

Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/18/2026 at 12:25 PM (post #11)

Im also a jew and a portion of my role is scummy as shit. Semi sop claim cus it will look bad if I dont say it upfron

so are you going to say it?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/18/2026 at 3:41 PM (post #29)

Pie town

Is it cause I’m a Jew?

VTL: Wryly

In wylted we trust

I’m here, going to SOP claim.

I am Ben Shapiro and I am Hated Townie, meaning I take one less vote to lynch. Effect ends DP3. Justification is that I undermined Charlie and harassed Candace and am hated by people on the right

Play

You two would make 9

Play big dawg

Thats 6, you can give em the win

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/11/2026 at 12:50 PM (post #20)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/11/2026 at 1:46 PM (post #18)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/11/2026 at 12:17 PM (post #17)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/10/2026 at 10:33 PM (post #16)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/10/2026 at 6:47 PM (post #14)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/10/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #13)

I supported the draw when I believed you that your role was unstoppable. It's unusual, but so is two Vigs. Now? Yeah that was definitely MYLO by either definition up for debate here, not that it doesn't pain me to say so.

The vig was only 1 shot. They used it n2 otherwise it would no doubt be MyLo

This is part of the problem I have with your position on this: you're selecting two roles (Doc and Vig) that could have affected the outcome of the game, and ignoring another role (Redirector) that could have (and in this case, would have) affected that very same outcome. I get why Doc and Vig matter when it comes to your view of how MYLO should be defined, I just don't get why manipulative roles don't.

It really boils down to MyLo: Mislynch and lose. If it is possible for town to mislynch and not lose then it isn't MyLo. I think that's where I'm coming from.

But that’s circular logic when it comes to the Popular Townie. Also, in that case it would just be LYLO,

If it wasn’t for the popular townie and the doctor it would be objectively MyLo. This is one of the biggest challenges in designing roles that disable in MyLo is determining when MyLo actually begins.

Okay, but it isn’t Mislynch and 100% lose. Scum have always had to recognize that protections can stop their win. As for Popular vs MYLO, that is by definition circular from your POV

Do yall support the draw? I think it’s only fair to give the win to scum. Wryly and I are in agreement and that makes 4 players out of 10. Need 2 more

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/11/2026 at 12:17 PM (post #17)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/10/2026 at 10:33 PM (post #16)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/10/2026 at 6:47 PM (post #14)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/10/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #13)

I supported the draw when I believed you that your role was unstoppable. It's unusual, but so is two Vigs. Now? Yeah that was definitely MYLO by either definition up for debate here, not that it doesn't pain me to say so.

The vig was only 1 shot. They used it n2 otherwise it would no doubt be MyLo

This is part of the problem I have with your position on this: you're selecting two roles (Doc and Vig) that could have affected the outcome of the game, and ignoring another role (Redirector) that could have (and in this case, would have) affected that very same outcome. I get why Doc and Vig matter when it comes to your view of how MYLO should be defined, I just don't get why manipulative roles don't.

It really boils down to MyLo: Mislynch and lose. If it is possible for town to mislynch and not lose then it isn't MyLo. I think that's where I'm coming from.

But that’s circular logic when it comes to the Popular Townie. Also, in that case it would just be LYLO,

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/10/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #41)

I would have been fine if we lost to an unstoppable doctor or your role. But the fact that literally nothing could have stopped our night kill is what baffles me that this went to a tie lol

Yep, in agreement.

In hindsight and after sleeping on it, I think scum should be given the win.

I think it’s crystal clear that 9/10 times scum can quickhammer at MYLO and win the game, but that 1/10 time, they may be fucked. So I would say leave the definition of MYLO to Number of Mafia + 2, and let scum quickhammer at their own peril ie let it be a strategy discussion and let town use their words to potentially manipulate as well.

If I was alive, they 100% would lose the game because I could overrun lynches and there wasn’t a limitation in my PM, but I don’t think definitionally MYLO = 100% mislynch and lose. Theres ALWAYS the added NK that has to go through and now potentially the lynch as well.

We could just always have the mod announce MYLO.

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/9/2026 at 7:36 AM (post #21)

1. This is why we need to stop claiming early. We lost our only town-directed counter to the extra scum kill because we did so.

Ironically if Wylted had claimed Cop, I would’ve lynched WF.

1. Thoth and Mikal both lying and refusing to elaborate DP1 got Thoth mislynched.

Thoth, idek. Mikal was prob just busy

1. If we had lynched between me & WF DP2 instead of no lynching we had a 50/50 chance of winning the game.

If we lynched you, we would lose on the spot cause Luna had 2 NKs

1. Putting two killing roles in this game was retarded.

Agreed