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Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/11/2026 at 12:17 PM (post #17)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/10/2026 at 10:33 PM (post #16)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/10/2026 at 6:47 PM (post #14)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/10/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #13)
I supported the draw when I believed you that your role was unstoppable. It's unusual, but so is two Vigs. Now? Yeah that was definitely MYLO by either definition up for debate here, not that it doesn't pain me to say so.

The vig was only 1 shot. They used it n2 otherwise it would no doubt be MyLo

This is part of the problem I have with your position on this: you're selecting two roles (Doc and Vig) that could have affected the outcome of the game, and ignoring another role (Redirector) that could have (and in this case, would have) affected that very same outcome. I get why Doc and Vig matter when it comes to your view of how MYLO should be defined, I just don't get why manipulative roles don't.

It really boils down to MyLo: Mislynch and lose. If it is possible for town to mislynch and not lose then it isn't MyLo. I think that's where I'm coming from.


But that’s circular logic when it comes to the Popular Townie. Also, in that case it would just be LYLO,

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Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/10/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #41)
I would have been fine if we lost to an unstoppable doctor or your role. But the fact that literally nothing could have stopped our night kill is what baffles me that this went to a tie lol


Yep, in agreement.

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In hindsight and after sleeping on it, I think scum should be given the win.


I think it’s crystal clear that 9/10 times scum can quickhammer at MYLO and win the game, but that 1/10 time, they may be fucked. So I would say leave the definition of MYLO to Number of Mafia + 2, and let scum quickhammer at their own peril ie let it be a strategy discussion and let town use their words to potentially manipulate as well.


If I was alive, they 100% would lose the game because I could overrun lynches and there wasn’t a limitation in my PM, but I don’t think definitionally MYLO = 100% mislynch and lose. Theres ALWAYS the added NK that has to go through and now potentially the lynch as well.

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Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/9/2026 at 7:36 AM (post #21)
  1. This is why we need to stop claiming early. We lost our only town-directed counter to the extra scum kill because we did so.


Ironically if Wylted had claimed Cop, I would’ve lynched WF.


  1. Thoth and Mikal both lying and refusing to elaborate DP1 got Thoth mislynched.


Thoth, idek. Mikal was prob just busy


  1. If we had lynched between me & WF DP2 instead of no lynching we had a 50/50 chance of winning the game.


If we lynched you, we would lose on the spot cause Luna had 2 NKs


  1. Putting two killing roles in this game was retarded.


Agreed

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My plan going into MYLO was to find the quickhammer and overturn it immediately. Quickhammer would’ve failed. Just food for thought.

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Whiteflame - Comedian

Banana - Hope

Mag1cman - Doctor

Lunatic - BP or Redirector


Wylted

REF

Wryly

Pie


Mikal - NP2+ Vig

Thoth - PGO + Nexus

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Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 2:22 PM (post #327)
Couple things. I've kind of let Mikal's death fall by the wayside of my analyses -- I still think scum only NKs him if they think he's very likely to shoot one of theirs. I will note that whiteflame was in both of Mikal's stated POEs.

I townread Rex and Banana, and Mag1c of course, who is about to die a soldier's death. *salute* Rex is right, we shouldn't have let Pie lead a claim wagon on him. Alas, Pie is a good wagonrouser.


I mean it got more activity out of him. That slot of was unreadable, and now is likely town.



I feel like Pie jumped on Rex really quick today for just vibe FOSing whiteflame. He also handwaved the suspicions against whiteflame's role.


I don’t think I jumped on him “quick.” I was on the Mago = scum train long before. But walk me through this idea. WF is a scum who is a Rolecop or has a Rolecop ability. He investigated Luna and saw he was Redirector/BP and then concocted a fake specific claim like comedian with the third role being EXACTLY what Mikal had? That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

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Everyone who is saying WF is scum, he’s our only investigative role. I don’t see much conversation about that. Not to mention that Luna townreads WFs.


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Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/6/2026 at 2:24 PM (post #174)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/6/2026 at 1:05 PM (post #164)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/6/2026 at 12:00 PM (post #160)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/6/2026 at 10:26 AM (post #157)
A scum role cop against the stuff already revealed seems very weak

Could be a JOAT

Why use a role cop though. Doesn’t make much sense. I think WF is telling the truth

Why not use a Role Cop if it can secure you a fake claim? Is that a role scum normally save for later or something?


I mean that’s a big brain idea, but in general, RBs, Redirects, etc are stronger. The biggest thing I’ve learned is that big brain ideas are usually just big brain. Occam’s Razor

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Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/6/2026 at 12:21 PM (post #169)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/6/2026 at 1:10 PM (post #166)
Did you ever say why you targeted Luna in the first place?

I haven't. It was largely based on a hunch. Later in DP1, Luna was expressing some outrage out of nowhere at Thoth for using an admittedly ridiculous acronym. It wasn't the only spot where he came off as a touch overzealous in his responses. Frustration and pushback aren't things he only does as scum, but I have a hard time reading them when I do see them, and I've he uses those kinds of posts to look townie when he's scum. Figured with an at least restricted role pool for him to claim from, I'd at least be able to narrow my concerns and lock him down.



Do you have examples from previous games?



Let’s get a claim from Mag1c. The slot is a continuation of DP1

I'd like to start with some reads from Mag1c, but I wouldn't mind a claim.


Let’s get votes on him. We don’t have that much time

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Right now I feel like WF and Wylted are town. I know I’m town. That leaves:


Luna

Mag1c

REF

Wryly

Banana


Im willing to give Luna one more day, but if he’s Redirector, he should be auto lynched imo. Banana is role confirmed at least. Rather weak role to give town with all the crap town has. That leaves Mag1c, REF, Wryly. Wryly has been contributing. REF as well to an extent. Haven’t seen anything from Mag1c. So gun to my head would lynch Mag1c

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Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/6/2026 at 12:00 PM (post #160)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/6/2026 at 10:26 AM (post #157)
A scum role cop against the stuff already revealed seems very weak

Could be a JOAT


Why use a role cop though. Doesn’t make much sense. I think WF is telling the truth