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Backup: Kohai
Casey_Risk wrote:
Actually, if it's not too much to ask, could you wait to start the game until Thursday? I'm going to be really busy tomorrow, but after that I should be free.
Ya we still need 2 people and I haven’t designed it. Probably will start Friday
Helz wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Again, you’re using 20/20 hindsight to justify your claims. Mikal has done this as scum and town. It’s NAI in the context of the game. But if you magically believe that it ALWAYS gives an advantage, it’s not true. At worst it’s just WIFOM
You keep narrowing my point into an isolated incident while I am pointing out a pattern of behavior. Its not about Mikal. Its about consistently seeing the community bend rules to the point of breaking in an effort to gain an advantage in ways I have never seen tolerated by another community.
You can not have it both ways of "We are not a sweaty try hard community" and "Us bending and breaking rules for any possible advantage is just what we do." You gotta pick a lane there.
In just 2 games I have seen OOG communication, Dead players talking in games, People angling on exact host PM timings, Players looking at getting themselves modkilled to force a mech solve, and players leveraging OOG communication as a key issue in resolving alignments. Its not a single person or an isolated incident. Imo its a culture of disregard for the spirit of the game.
I have no interest in pointing fingers. I do have interest in pointing to this pattern and saying "We can do better" so we can have a more healthy community.
I can say its just my two cents. But I am certain if I started dragging people here they would never want to come back seeing a small amount of these behaviors. Much less truckloads of it from a large portion of the community.
Again, no one here cares whether people want to play here or not. People play here for fun. You're entitled to your opinion of whether its fun or not, but appealing to monkey thought of everyone else would think it’s bad doesn’t really matter to 90% of people here. Like no one cares that Thoth posted a troll message that had zero bearing on the game after he died. Sure he shouldn’t have done it but acting like it affected the integrity of the game is stupid.
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Everyone will be an element. There will be a theme split. Scum will be able to ask about 2 roles and 2 characters for a total of 4 questions, to which I will truthfully answer if they exist in the game or not.
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Unfortunate
Still would like to hear from Thoth, but if he was fake claiming Vanilla as a Town PR it was a very questionable choice
wylted wrote:
Are there any restrictions on your ability to lie detect?
Essentially they need to lay out their abilities and if the abilities or character are wrong it comes up as a lie
Ok so there’s no scenario where Thoth is town unless he lied about being Vanilla for some reason, which in itself was a dumb move
Thoth is nocturnal so want to wait till night
Banana wrote:
ok im confused, am i claiming or am i not claiming
no
RexFavilla wrote:
I am absolutely, categorically opposed to a mass claim and thing it's retarded.
Theres no point anymore with the CC but it 100% would’ve been the optimal move
Mag1cman wrote:
Note: Banana cannot vote this DP nor be voted herself. The game would still automatically register her votes and votes against her, but I will not count those votes in the final vote count.
Can the person responsible for this please claim?
Why? What’s the benefit of knowing this
Banana wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
If I can get a couple more people to sign off on a mass claim, I am willing to start us off. I dont want to claim and then be the only one who does so though.
I support a mass claim. I’ll go last obviously. You can go second last. Order is probably
Banana
REF
Luna
Pie
do u want me to full claim? i am a pretty good role so lmk. my character is sein
No, and you shouldn’t have said any of this
Banana wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
You’re immune but your thoughts are appreciated. Maybe be can make Banana Pie together
mmm banana pie. i townread you/wylted bcuz u led the mago lynch, give some slight town cred for luna too but i know he likes to bus. im a little suspicious of rex bcuz he didnt do a whole lot and wasnt on the lynch. i wasnt either but i was not on at the end of the phase. magic could be scum, not sure i like his role and he was pretty against he mago lynch. thoth could be scum but i have a suspicion that wylted could be doing one of his gambit thingies where he pretends to have a result on someone to get a reaction so i wanna see how that goes first. but poe would be magic/rex/luna/thoth for me
Curious as to why Thoth is last
wylted wrote:
I am Ubel the mage and justification is kinda weak.
Something about being magical then something loosely connected about the ability to soul read people to see if they are honest about character and role. If they are dishonest I can tell.
Can someone confirm if this is true ie justification ties?
wylted wrote:
Thoth is scum
I am an X shot lie detector and the following post I had lie detected and he was lying
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/5q/frieren-mafia---dp1?comment_number=109
Not sure if he lied about role or character but at least one of them .
VTL: Thoth
Are there any restrictions on your ability to lie detect?
RexFavilla wrote:
Glad I was right about mago. I think claiming is useless - dont see why on earth scum wouldn't opt for the 'one full claim' option if there are only two of them. Sideying the people who had such a hardon for Thoth last DP, especially Magic.
VTL: Magic
What are your thoughts on his claim?
Thoth wrote:
Mikal softed at being deflector lol. Someone can find where he said deflect, I am on phone
Why is this relevant?
We can still hammer tonighy
Let me get home from work lol
Helz wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lol I’m saying if you’re scum, make it harder for you, plus you don’t know Mikal like we do, so for me it was NAI the entire time. And again, Idrc if people don’t want to play here. We’re not sweats. We have lives and jobs and family to worry about.
Im kinda confused.
I am talking about wanting clean games people can enjoy and you are talking about being try hard. Even with the limitations I placed upon myself I was strongly town read, narrowed the PoE, pushed effective mech and had a decent concluding solve. Thats whatever.
But yes, I think its a healthy thing to discuss how to have a healthy positive community experience. Saying "I do not care if people are unhappy" is just excusing the problem imo. And really justifying using rule violations for advantage speaks against your point that its not a sweaty community. If people were chill and cared more about fun than winning why break games to win?
Again, you’re using 20/20 hindsight to justify your claims. Mikal has done this as scum and town. It’s NAI in the context of the game. But if you magically believe that it ALWAYS gives an advantage, it’s not true. At worst it’s just WIFOM
wylted wrote:
My opinion is you might as well. Or at least explain what happened to you did your vote get stolen?
just use it on Magic
Everyone needs to calm down and Unvote. We need to discuss this further
Lunatic wrote:
If I can get a couple more people to sign off on a mass claim, I am willing to start us off. I dont want to claim and then be the only one who does so though.
I support a mass claim. I’ll go last obviously. You can go second last. Order is probably
Banana
REF
Luna
Pie
Would you like to explain #45