Kohai

I’m the beholder. I get informative information back if I target an information role. I was told

Yeah. I'm definitely NOT town reading this especially since you already had the results. From mafiascum:

A Beholder in scum hands can serve as a partial counter to the massclaim strategy that's less overbearing than a Roleblocker or Juggernaut (and has less chance of unbalancing the setup if no massclaim is attempted); unlike most massclaim-counter roles, it does not entirely shut the town down, but does make it somewhat easier for the scum to play around their actions. (On the flip side of that, a Beholder in town hands makes massclaiming more powerful, as it makes the action much easier to aim and helps to mitigate the downside via rescuing a result once the scum start killing your investigatives. Thus, town Beholders should not be included in setups where massclaiming would otherwise be powerful.)

Beholder can be both town and mafia. In this case the beholder is more likely a mafia role. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Beholder#Use_&_Balance

@Mikal I definitely want your claim.

VTL Mikal

If Mikal knew that you visited me and that I already revealed my results then it looks like Mikal was trying to PR hunt.

Unvote

In your role does it say how many wolves are guaranteed to be in the result? Does it say one or at least one?

*sigh* Do I really have to repeat myself? I've now said this multiple times, but I'll say it again: if I say who I visited, it gives away what I am.

Here's the problem: Assuming you and Mikal are town we now have two outted power roles. if both of you are town one of you is going to die. That's why we need something. If you die we can review your results and make progress.

Here's an idea: You tell us who you targeted. The person you targeted makes a claim and you can confirm or disprove that.

...if I explained why, this would get super obvious. You either accept what I'm telling you or you're seeking my claim.

No, but it can confirm or disprove something about my target.

In what way would it confirm or disprove something about your target?

That would be the equivalent of claiming my role.

How so? Also, is your role / result capable of confirming your target as town?

Would you at least be willing to say who you visited?

2. If you are scum and we eliminate you today then that significantly increases odds of winning.

...which entirely defeats the purpose of focusing on the pool of three players you got and expands the number of claims you're seeking to four. Three was already substantial, but expanding on that is even more of a problem with anti-claim mechanics in play.

No, it doesn't. The point here is to try and clear as many people as possible and confirm as many people as town as we can. If we can confirm Mikal is town that narrows down the original POE to two.

I'm strongly learning to Mikal being town.

I already said I do not have a result.

Did you make an attempt and was role blocked?

I already said I do not have a result.

Did you make an attempt and was role blocked?

I already said I do not have a result.

Did you make an attempt and was role blocked?

I am sincerely at a loss regarding this vote. You should be more confident than anyone here that you have the name of at least one scum on that list of three. Why is my claim your priority?

1. Mikal is in the POE. If I can clear him that brings us down to two.

2. If you are scum and we eliminate you today then that significantly increases odds of winning.

I’ll bite.

VTL Whiteflame

Explain more

Tangentially, I asked my Werewolf playgroup on Discord what they thought of the meta here of claiming your character's gender on day 1. They not only disliked it from a gameplay perspective, but also were offended at the prospect of assigning gender to characters who have not self-identified.

this is cheating. Policy lynch.

VTL Thoth

It depends on how casey divvies dreamer results too. Technically both scum can be on a dreamer result, but I feel like most mods dont really do that for mod psyche reasons. Like if we were to systematically start lynching through your results, and hit both scum, mafia would be pretty pissed. So I feel like the mod would leave one outside, so if your results are to be believed, then its one of the three on your results, plus ultra. Obviously a lot of that is mod psyche with early game POE, but that's where I am at.

I'd agree with this.

I just looked up the caroler roll and my result makes so much sense:

The Caroler may each night visit a person and sing them a carol. The carol will inform the targeted player of 3 names, at least one of which is mafia. However, if the targeted person is visiting someone on that night, they will not hear the carol. The Caroler may not choose the same player on consecutive nights.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Caroler

If this is the case then there is a guaranteed wolf within Mikal, Thoth, and Shining.

Out of your POE who do you think is most likely to flip wolf?

That would be a different kind of anti-claim, but it's possible. I'd be surprised if you weren't informed about it, though we don't need to re-test your Popular claim regardless.

Right. And I'm honestly glad we were able to prove I was popular before an anti-claim mechanism disabled that popularity. Looking back I think claiming popular and proving it right off the bat was a good move.

I have nothing about being fragile; however given that I'm proven to be popular my popular mechanic may have been disabled.

Though the draw back is the anti claim mechanism. But I want to get something from Thoth, Mikal, and Shinning at the very least

I townread RT as well. I don't think hes lying. DP1 might have went nowhere for town and losing Pie is bad and all, but if we buy the dream, that narrows down the PoE significantly.

since you are in that POE care to make at least a soft claim?

I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on character claims as much as roll claims.

Yeah. Especially night 1.

it might be random hallucinations but it’s a lead I want to explore.

Do not know. Most likely not.

I have no night actions so obviously I was targeted.