Kohai

Same here. So I’m really confused.

I am not. I am just popular.

Agreed

VTL Shining

I'd be happy to full claim my character if enough people want me to. However, I was targeted with a night action and heard music about shining, mikal, and thoth (whatever that means).

VTNL I think this is probably the right move. Especially with an even number of players and uncertainty. Day phase 1 is always the hardest for me b

Luna and wylted are far too quiet

In terms of picks, I'm fine with focusing on one of the more inactive players, and my attention right now is on Luna or Wylted, who have had minimal contributions and largely stayed in the background even when they're on.

I can agree with this. I’d rather get Luna or Wylted for inactivity over McD. McD has at least been trying and it’s obviously they’re new.

VTL Wylted

Unusually quiet.

I would really prefer not to lynch a new player for being new

+1.

I frankly don’t understand why the first scenario is a problem. A VTNL in the instance where the claim looks pretty good seems entirely appropriate and makes a whole lot more sense than just blind lynching, especially given the even number of players. Getting everyone to agree ahead of time that they shouldn’t out their claims no matter what our choice says they are prevents getting multiple other claims, so I don’t see that as a substantial problem.

Agreed. Plus we need to remember McD is a new player. I want to give them a little bit of slack.

We have a little under 24 hours left. We have plenty of time to make content, form basic reads, and interact with each other before blindly claiming. If we have to lynch someone I'd rather lynch someone who isn't playing or has very little activity. 

So… your pro blind lynching someone who isn’t active? Or would you seek their claim first and then make a decision? Because if it’s the latter, then we’re on the same page.

Of course I'd rather have them claim before we lynch them due to little or no activity.

So... explain to me what you'd like to do at this point. Are we lynching you? Are we lynching blind? Or are we VTNLing? Because those are the only three ways by which we don't seek a claim since yours is the only one on the table. Also, maybe I'm just not cautious enough, but I don't think anti-claim mechanics generally afford scum big gains for a couple of claims, particularly if one is a partial claim. Is there some mechanic I'm unaware of where that amount of claims gives scum a major leg up?

We have a little under 24 hours left. We have plenty of time to make content, form basic reads, and interact with each other before blindly claiming. If we have to lynch someone I'd rather lynch someone who isn't playing or has very little activity.

I'm not entirely averse to seeking either Luna's or McDonald's claims. Don't love pushing a new player to claim

with all due respect the last thing we need is more claims.

VTL Rex

In a 10 player game, it's almost certainly 2 scum. There could be a third party (TP) as well with this many, but for balance, it would be very unusual for there to be 3 scum in play.

I'd agree with this. Three scum in a 10 player game and we'd have only 4 mislynches until LyLo.

My next question is what characters are plausibly Popular, but if RT is town then figuring that out might be something you want to keep to yourself.

I would prefer if he kept that to himself. We don't want to pursue too many full claims this DP (especially since Casey strongly hinted that there may be mechanics in play that help scum if too many town players claim) and since he's already confirmed his role, that's enough information from him as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not claiming any more than I already have. There's zero town utility to any further claiming.

Yeah, I feel you. Hopefully, things go better this game.

Yeah, I realize I technically broke rule 7 after I had already posted. The main reason why I did it is because I wanted to be a bit bold with my entrance and also try and get my self confirmed town.

Totally agreed, hence I'm going to do what I can to be more active and hope that produces something.

My biggest problem last game is: (1) I was more focused on the MU game; (2) I was given two really really shitty roles in a role and had no clue what to do with either of them.

I've already soft claimed too much so I won't reveal my character or gender. I feel like it may have been better if I didn't make it bold.

Everyone else is null, a number of inactive players or people who are giving reasons why they will be absent, which bothers me a bit since it means this lower activity is likely to persist throughout this DP. Need something to push this forward, and given the anti-claim, I'm fine with doing a softclaim in the vein Pie suggested:

The one thing that kills a town more than anything is inactivity and people not doing anything. I just finished a game on MU that had 6 subs and so many people doing nothing. Mafia won the game and we ended up getting a no contest.

What I learned: The more town are inactive the worse the reads are going to be for the people actually putting in effort.

The fact that Mikal showed up so fast is worth of an FOS. Either he was lurking or his scum partner told him to at least say something

I can definitely see this.

VTL Wylted

obligatory OMGUS vote - plus we really need to start getting somewhere with this game

unvote

VTL Mikal

All aboard the Mikal wagon. CHOO CHOO!!

unvote

Let’s not do any more soft or hard claiming

I'm glad you decided to come back and found our community!

Welcome to Mafia and also to debate craft. Have you been on debateart or DDO or are you two completely new?

Heading to a dress rehearsal for a concert so I will be back later

You in a band?

I’m giving a solo vocal concert.