Kohai

Vote Count

Wryly (3/4) | ILikePie5, Vader, Mag1cman -- L1

ILikePie5 (2/4) Mag1cman, Wryly

Kohai (1/4) | RexFavilla

Not voting: whiteflame, Kohai

I'm not sure I like magic's sudden pivot to wryly

Yeah, so can I. Diving back through all their posts in the last 3 DPs actually made me read Pie a little more townie behaviorally. And I think the key problem here is that both of them would have to have made a seriously crazy decision: scum Pie would have to outright CC someone with a role he knows he doesn't have, while scum Wryly would have to have masterminded a bunch of very townie play and just choosing to give up her role when there was no pressure on her knowing it could be CC'd. They're both choices I wouldn't expect either of them to make, so either someone was careless (one of them or Thoth), or they're both town. I can't say I've ever seen a game with this much protection and a repeat role, though, so we'll have to make some decision here.

Exactly. If pie is scum I have to believe that he's YOLOing to get castin mislynched when he has other mislynch targets.

If castin is scum then I have to believe they played a nearly perfect game and blundered the fake claim. I will then have to believe that either they were recruited or they are OG scum and Kyosuke isn't actually in the game. If castin was originally town then I don't see them claiming anything other than their original role.

This leads me to conclude there's a strong non-zero chance they are both town

It wasn't much of a delay on the CC, so I'll leave that aside. You did seem to flag it pretty quickly. And I agree, the CC doesn't make much sense from where I'm sitting if you're scum. That's the main thing that's puzzling me about you.

Herein lies the problem: I can create a very strong town case for both pie and wryly

I wonder if Kohai's trying to get a teammate out of a sticky situation

If this was the case I'd just take the free mislynch and then bus my partner hard on the next day phase.

Kohai, if there are 2 of the same role in a game, ever, I will eat my hat. I will destroy my rig. I will host my own mafia game.

I will eat it with you lmao

More reasons to think you're both actually town

This is actually a pretty good reason, since the rolecop goes to a random townie if I read it correctly. That can be used to town confirm someone and shrink PoE further. Thing is, I'm not sold Wryly was the target.

If wryly was not the target and pie is scum why would he put so much energy into the wryly lynch?

Wym mechanically? And mine checks out canonically too

Being un recruitable makes sense since she's a male character and her justification for why she's BP also checks out. And yours also does check out.

Town case for pie:

If pie is scum then scum pie has several easy mislynch targets: Myself, vader, and possibly rex. Scum pie knows that castin is a nearly impossible mislynch. The only way I can see pie being scum and attempting a YOLO mislynch on wryly is the target mentioned in post # 62. I can only see him pulling off such a massive YOLO if they desperately need the 1x Permanent Roleblock or the 1x Rolecop to win the game. I don't see scum pie being able to pull this off unless he has a very strong partner (possibly whiteflame) that can carry the game to the end.

Town case for castin

Overall their play has been extremely consistent and townie. Her claims do check out both mechanically and canonically.

There's a very strong non-zero chance they're both town. That is what I'm struggling with

1. The disappearance. After Wryly claimed bulletproof, Pie asked "did you just claim bulletproof?" and then disappeared for a sec, and reappeared shortly to CC. Why not CC on the spot? I think this was Pie looking for a justification for his character being bulletproof, to CC Wryly with. Pie's defense was that he was just seeking clarification. The problem? Wryly claimed bulletproof explicitly. He has no need to seek any clarification.

I don't think this is a strong point. I think pie was wanting to have 100% confirmation before the CC

Are you autistic dude? Did you even read my argument? What’s my future after I get Wryly mislynched as scum?

(1) actually yes

(2) Also yes,

(3) Perhaps castin is the target the mod mentioned earlier

That said, I think and standby my thinking that there's a strong non-zero chance you're both town.

If castin is scum is she likely og or recruited?

Intent to vote pie

I'm getting ready to go to focus on a debate argument and then go to bed. It's pretty much a given that if pie or castin flips town then the other is lynched tomorrow. Gun to my head I still think both are town, but I'm more confident on wryly being town than pie.

It ends at 12am CST, so we have 2.5 hours or 150 minutes

Thanks for the correction. I thought it was EST. I will not be here at EOD so I'll be casting my vote within the next half hr. I hate the fact that whiteflame and rex are AWOL at the moment

I don’t think that’s bastard but you’re entitled to your opinion

Everyone has their own definitions of bastard. Where I have done most of my hosting and playing (and also staffing) any alignment changing role was bastard and games had to be labeled as such.

TBT if I knew there was an alignment changing role I'd never have signed up for this game.

Make up your minds. WE have 90 minutes left in the day phase

The thing that bothers me the most is that if both pie and wryly are town and we lynch both then we lose the game. 

If we’re both town, I am blacklisting Thoth. I just told him that. It’s a bastard game if there are two people with the same role

It's a bastard game anyway with alignment changing roles.

Vote Count

ILikePie5 (2/4) Mag1cman, Wryly

Wryly (2/4) | ILikePie5, Vader

Kohai (1/4) | RexFavilla

Not voting: whiteflame, Kohai

The thing that bothers me the most is that if both pie and wryly are town and we lynch both then we lose the game.

Gun to my head if both of these are town I think the og scum is whiteflame

I’m going to put both scum names in your PM in my game and see you defend them lol. But regardless you proved my point that it’s NAI. Tir was scum. And I think you explicitly stated in that game that you would townread whoever was Tir because you were his father

Noted :)

Doing what either of them is doing while lying is so retarded on an individual level that it makes me think that there's a non-negligible chance that they're both telling the truth.

Glad someone is agreeing with me

If I had a nickel for every time we have told you that just because there’s a name in your PM, does not mean they are town, I would be a millionaire.

Well let's go through the history shall we? Literally this game Madoka is town and was on my role card

Demon Hunter Mafia

You are Healer Han, an eccentric doctor who attempts to heal Rumi’s voice with what can generously be called a placebo. You were unsuccessful, but apparently, you have a good reputation with Zoey. You are a Doctor. Once per night, you may select a player and make them immune to lethal night actions for that night. You win with the Town.

Both Rumi and zoey were in the game and were town.

Suikoden Mafia

Teo McDohl: Role card listed Barbarossa and Sonya and Tir. Sonya and Barbarossa were both town and Tir was the only one who was scum. No one claimed Tir If I recall correctly

Deltrune Mafia

Role PM mentioned queen and queen. is town.

So there's that.

Purely based on behavior Wryly has been the most townie the entire game. She is 1000% not OG scum.

Doing some ISO between Pie and Wryly

Wryly - Kyosuke Kamijo - 1x Bulletproof

He won't tell me for sure. I have guesses. Will talk more about it once we're ready to claim. I may just claim anyway if I continue to be this short on time.

So it was revealed to me tonight that I am unrecruitable. More on this tomorrow. It's 2AM and I have to be up at 6. Will be busy yet again and also it's mom's birthday, so give me a little grace plz.

Thoth won't tell me definitively for whatever reason, but my guess is I'm not recruitable because I'm a boy. The creepy rabbit only seems interested in luring young women into questionable life choices.

I have a 1x Bulletproof because my character was saved from a cruel fate by a magic girl's wish.

Pie inviting a rolecop is a point in his favor, I suppose, since it was stated that hidden abilities such as those granted to the recruit by Kyubey would show up in investigative results.

I got suspicious after you suddenly started going after Vader when you'd been on Kohai consistently, and wondered if maybe he's the target scum needs to lynch. If we lynch Kohai and he's not the scum target, then town gets a rolecop, and you could get outed tomorrow.

Few things to note: (1) My role card explicitly states that I develop a romantic interest with Kyosuke. This proves to me that (1) Kyosuke is in the game and (2) is most likely originally town aligned. From a flavor POV it also makes sense for Kyosuke to be unrecruitable. Since no one cc'd Kyosuke I'm inclined to believe them. They could be lying about being unrecruitable and was recruited n1, but this doesn't make much sense. They must be 100% original town and is not original scum.

Pie - Mami Tomoe - 1x Bulletproof

Right now I’d probably say my top scumread is Vader. The Redirector doesn’t make much sense here from a town perspective. It just seems like negative utility that should be waived every night.

I absolutely hate the fact that Supa didn’t use his ability last night. He could’ve redirected who he thought was scum onto someone he also thought could be scum. He could’ve verified WF’s role as well. Doesn’t make sense to waive here. The Contract Cop and Inspector make sense together. Doctor is flipped. Wryly is behaviorally very town.

Two very weak investigative roles is my point. I buy REF’s role because I’m relatively confident Thoth used custom roles especially if he use hidden mechanics. I also remember him asking if Luna was the only one that used custom roles and he said he was gonna change that.

I don’t have anything to mod confirm myself, but I would like to wait till DP4 to claim and would ideally like to be rolecopped as I think it would solve the game DP4

You’re not getting a claim from me today until you have 4 committed votes to lynch. It’s stupid for me to claim right now, and you’ll see why when I do. I’ve already invited the rolecop.

Scum isn’t going to kill me cause I’m in OG scum POE.

So that means they have to get lucky killing the random townie that got it or hope that I get it myself.

Before you go. Are you claiming 1x Bulletproof because that changes things

Lol, if Vader gets lynched I’ll be happy.

Anyways, I need Weyly to confirm she’s claiming 1x BP cause that changes things massively

Fuck it, we don’t have time. I am CCing Wryly. I am the 1x Bulletproof. My justification is that I was the only one to survive a car crash and fated to be an orphan

What’s the point in me lying here. It’s 5-2

If there are two bulletproofs this game is bastard along with a doctor, that’s unquestionably bastard

Holy fuck dude. There is absolutely no way there are 2 bulletproofs and a doctor

Literally I’m inviting a rolecop on me because even I know a BP with a Doctor doesn’t make sense. And why would I put my vote on Kohai as well lol. I’ve been on his ass since DP2. The optimal strategy is to always lynch who you think is OG scum, not recruited scum. Vader and WF are those and I have explained why multiple times. But you’re confirmed scum lol.

Tomato-Tomahto. I’ve been softclaiming BP since early today lol.

Omg you’re retarded lmao. Literally both sides are telling you you’re stupid for even considering this is possible and you still go with it.

You know that you’re town. If I was scum, I could’ve secured a lynch on you with WF, Vader, and REF. Why tf would I CC here and risk getting lynched.

YOU KNOW YOURE FUCKING TOWN

This ISO also feels quite townie. Again, I don't see pie counter claiming unless he was absolutely stupid or needed a castin lynch to win the game. The one thing that sticks out is that him claiming it's 5-2 feels a bit TMI when we don't know if there's more than 1 recruit. If there was a night kill and two recruits we would be at LyLo.

There's a non-zero chance both are actually town here. If there was a gun to my head and I was forced to vote I would vote pie because of the information I have on Kyosuke Kamijo's character.

From a thematic point I pie's flavor sticks out because they literally survived only because they made a contract with Kyubey and wished to live. This is major scum points for pie IMO.

But agian, I'm paranoid and re-reading everything

Either of you on? Lynch is between pie and castin and I'm completely lost and tinfoiling like crazy

Kohai why are you entertaining the idea that there are two BP's in one game dude??

(1) Mafia is overpowered already with night kills and recruits. Having multiple protection roles is necessary for town. We already have at least 1 doctor + 1 1x bulletproof. I can see a second 1x bulletproof as well.

(2) I have a very strong town read on you and don't see you fake claiming BP

(3) I think pie's cc is also very townie so I'm now going paranoid

I'm currently tin foiling two things:

(1) Wryly and pie are both town and town has a doctor + 2 1x bp town

(2) One of them is scum

(3) pie is scum and Wryly is the target that scum needs to lynch

IMO I'm leaning towards option 1. I need to do some digging.

Mag1cman and Mag2cman do not have others. I'm pretty sure the reason for your PM is that way is because your character is a side character, who is only relevant because of her relationships with other characters.

This is fair. Wryly's character being unrecruitable does make sense from a flavor POV. This is why I'm so torn

I just looked back at my rolecard it gives three additional names: I'm a classmate of Madoka and Sayaka and I develope a romance with Syosuke. This leads me to think they're probably originally town.

Question: Does anyone else's role PM list other characters?