Looked a close game.
Looked a close game.
Oh I don't know, I thought Gregor's family managed to take care of themselves rather capably, once Gregor stopped being the provider.
My take on the book was that Gregor developed a mental illness.
That the book was a take on societies and families during that time period having difficulty knowing how to treat such, the strain it can take.
But there's more than one interpretation.
For myself, science is many things, explanations, evidence, probably so, probably not, maybe so, maybe not.
For me, science is philosophy, is observation, rationalization.
(But each to their own)
"People who do these rituals see their effect on their lives."
I imagine people often do.
But observation, cause and effect interest me.
'Why something has an effect interests me.
Course, any questions can be reversed upon myself and my own various beliefs I suppose.
But that doesn't bother me, I explore my own beliefs and their origins at times.
I am not asking you to answer the below, as it does not appear to be your interest, I only mean to expound upon my thoughts.
Why do these Gods exist?
How so do they exist?
What are they?
What form?
How long have they been?
How many?
Where from?
What human providence has brought about or kept their information unto now?
What do the rituals 'do for you?
How?
Why?
Where'd they come from?
Your book and all it's pages were 'specifically put together, because the author and various buyers saw 'purposes in the various pages I imagine. Utility.
It's common of humans to have 'some understanding of why they use a tool, how it functions and effects, what purpose it serves.
. . . I suppose some tool use can be subconscious, mental tools for instance, coping skills one picks up natural like without noticing.
But a 'book, a book is an external tool, as deliberate as picking up a wrench at times, I'd say.
Sounds a tale of a prodigal son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolo_Longo
https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/satanist-saint-meet-bartolo-longo-who-gave-world-pompeiis-shrine-mary
@#16
I do not think it is wrong to help others, I do not think it is as a rule harmful to oneself or others.
Mencius, child and the well.
Berean Standard Bible
"Rescue those being led away to death, and restrain those stumbling toward the slaughter."
https://biblehub.com/proverbs/24-11.htm
Perhaps sometimes one helps another by letting them stand on their own feet.
'Many other times, a helping hand is what is good, and not harmful or enabling.
@#17
Do you then take the talk of gods and magic literally?
What is accomplished in it more than can be explained by science?
Just glanced through it online, not for me.
But mildly interesting to see what one book from one branch of Satanism looks like.
I don't know why, but Satanism in general, and this branch in particular. Throws me off more than would some other belief systems.
I think I read early in the book, the claim that none of the gods or rituals were 'real.
But why practice or think on it deeply then?
Well, people appreciate parables and metaphors I suppose, symbols, chants and litanies.
But there's something about that Satanism that bothers me more than would a Jedi or Sith book.
Then again, I've never read a Jedi or Sith book, maybe they come off as pretentious and edgelord.
. . . Can't say I have much interest in the branch of Satanism The Satanic Temple or the non Satanic Pastafarianism, both 'usually parody religions.
I just don't get it I guess, and the trappings seem counterproductive to their purposes to me.
. . . Perhaps even though being an Atheist, I am mildly serious about religion, truth, and history, and dislike what I see as muddling muddying of waters.
Of the book you spoke,
Perhaps it's the esoteric phrasings?
The use of words such as magic?
I enjoy the music of various Warhammer religions well enough, even the evil ones.
(Shrug)
. . .
In response to the topic.
"Why do people want to be good? Satanism is true?"
Empathy I'd suppose, love and concern for others.
Though other reasons for such can occur at times.
Satanism being true, depends on what it is claiming.
Humans are fairly socially cooperative caring animals by nature and nurture, it's a response we're often used to seeing in other humans, and feeling in ourselves. A Nurture or a Habit we value in ourselves and others. One we often just 'react on.
"To show innate goodness, Mencius used the example of a child falling down a well.
Witnesses of this event immediately feel alarm and distress, not to gain friendship with the child's parents, nor to seek the praise of their neighbors and friends, nor because they dislike the reputation [of lack of humanity if they did not rescue the child]...
The feeling of commiseration definitely is the beginning of humanity; the feeling of shame and dislike is the beginning of righteousness; the feeling of deference and compliance is the beginning of propriety; and the feeling of right or wrong is the beginning of wisdom.
Men have these Four Beginnings just as they have their four limbs. Having these Four Beginnings, but saying that they cannot develop them is to destroy themselves."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mencius
"In this way, Satanism is true because it teaches balance between good and evil, just like world is filled with good and evil, the God which created it is likewise both good and evil."
I think the Bible 'frequently acknowledges that humans are not perfect.
But it still often seems a fine goal to strive for.
In many people there is a seemingly natural urge for good.
Evil I 'think in the Bible, is often seen as self destructive, whether in gaining a person enemies, guilt, or fear.
"if you are pure good, you will always be used and abused because you appear weak and most people have some evil in them willing to take advantage of you."
I suppose a person 'can be taken advantage of, though I'm not sure I agree that being good requires letting others take advantage of you.
I think a fair amount of argument can be had for self defense in the Bible.
https://biblehub.com/q/bible%27s_view_on_self-defense.htm
"However, I dont understand why most people pretend to be pure good when they are not even close to that. It is impossible to be pure good because you will always be bad to someone."
I don't hang out with people too much.
I can't 'recall ever meeting someone who acted as though they were pure good.
Though I am sure such people are around, who are pretentious.
And I'm sure there are people around who 'are 'very good, 'without being pretentious.
I've not done much bad in life, but the memories of small harms to others bothers me at times.
Seems restful to be good,
. . .
Seems a. . . 'painful yearning at times, that the world should be 'right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7VlD66ISM
Man of La Mancha (1972) - The Impossible Dream Scene (6/9) | Movieclips
Has a number of books, I see.
Any in particular?
Out of curiosity, which branch of Satanism are you claiming is true?
True.
I think Vampire Survivors might have just gotten online multiplayer.
As in today.
Game costs $3.49 right now, probably be a popular game to make a video or few in.
Arguably humans are effected by various X in including scribbles.
Both through nature and nurture.
Certain images can evoke bodily reactions and brain thoughts and states of mind.
Thus from a certain point of view, scribbles are meaningful.
Working out can be good for humans.
Lot of what we keep in our older age, is what we gained in our younger age.
Just don't work out too much or in damaging ways, that can also follow people through life.
I suppose I can see a value in ritual for workout.
Though I think most people practice more areligious workout rituals.
It has a value of mindfulness, of habit, focus I suppose.
I sometimes wonder how often people's profiles on YouTube are examined for videos.
Frequently enough after reading an interesting comment on YouTube, I'll click the individuals profile to search for more of them.
Often I am disappointed.
I suppose the least I could do-
Or rather-
. . . It'd be interesting if 'everyone on YouTube made at least one video.
I wonder if it would help DART DebateCraft at all if I made at least 'one video, and mentioned or made it about DebateCraft and debating.
I wonder if the DebateCraft profile ever comments on videos,
Could be another form of advertising I suppose, 'could be.
Course there's also a fine line between being an interesting comment and people choosing to click on you,
And being an annoying intrusive ad spambot.
Near whenever you speak,
'Truly I often wish you would say something 'interesting, 'thoughtful, 'constructive, 'illuminating.
Alas, I am frequently disappointed.
I would be interested if you spoke on history or law that you were familiar with.
Perhaps Canadian history and law,
Times your system has worked well, times it has worked badly, items it shares in common with the US, items it differs with the US.
But no,
'Again, I am disappointed.
I don't 'think so,
And even if they could be vice president, I think they'd be skipped over in succession.
Vice President barely 'had any powers except succession for years I think.
That tie breaking vote.
. . . Even now, I 'think a lot of the Vice President powers are 'optional, dependent on how much the President wants to use them?
Still, I don't really know what the Constitution says,
At 'most I'd imagine it's a so obvious it doesn't need to be written down rule.
Which 'technically could be a loophole maybe.
But I think people would be pretty quick to close off any option of it being used, if someone tried to use it.
Heh, I 'think I've heard some dictators hold votes, even after they gained power.
Being so popular in fact, that they receive 110% of the vote.
I don't have a strong view of the visuals used for the YouTube videos.
Gives people something to idle watch I suppose as they listen, if they are looking at the video.
I think it'd be better to do just a slideshow of pictures, related to whatever is being mentioned every few seconds or minute.
But admittedly such would probably take more time.
And I don't much care 'what is shown in the video, since I'm just listening to it.
I suspect some videos do better 'with relevant pictures though.
I'd imagine various video game clips were chosen because videos with black blank screen do worse than video game clip.
@#7
As soon as good, evil, harm, meaning, oughts, ideals, morality, ethics, truth. Pop up,
Rather than expected to occur, or consistent with framework of a subjective system.
I think Burden of Proof often pops up as well.
I imagine it's easier to disprove or argue an idea unlikely,
Than to have to suggest an alternative.
I sometimes wonder what many Atheists of various places and time 'do believe,
But lot of the Reddit threads I've looked up, 'lot of the comments are Atheism is just the nonbelief or disbelief in God.
Warhammer, Tau'va
It's a funny thing when literal Gods get into one's. . . Pantheism?
Well, the Atheistic Pantheism anyway, always so many variations of ism.
Though maybe the Greater Good is more akin to Taoism or Confucian beliefs?
Albeit again, the Atheistic versions.
Course from what little I've read, Taoism seems more like a riddle than clear cut,
And Confucian-
Well, I don't actually know much 'about religions, just 'of them in general.
Idealism?
Ideal more specifically one's ideal, not the other meaning that implies unrealistic pursuit of.
. . .
Heh, then at some point people perhaps argue, don't get your religion in my political ideology.
SPOILERS BELOW,
STAR WARS,
RAVAGES OF TIME,
ATTACK ON TITAN.
Some people would rather resist and die, than be raped, I'd imagine.
Some would rather kill a family member, than allow them to be dishonored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verginia
Or rather they and family die, than live and die as a slave,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada
Course, history has a way of becoming embellished.
. . .
I'm also reminded of Ravages of Time (Manhua)
After defeated Warlord Lu Bu begs for his life.
Cao Cao speaks,
"Is a true hero unafraid of death?
What are you?
Is this the Lu Bu amongst mortals that everyone reveres?
A hero does not fear death.
I say that's only what simpletons think a hero is.
It's but another masterpiece by men of letters.
They don't understand a very important logic.
What good is a reputation if you are dead?
A true hero understands that one can accomplish much more by staying alive.
In the past we had Gou Jian surviving as a peasant, and today we have Lu Bu begging for his life.
Your courage, surpasses all the shallow men here.
It surpasses the reputation which they hold dearer than life.
Of all the heroes in the world, who is more fearless than you on the battlefield?
And who is more unafraid of death?
And of all the heroes, who dares to trample on their pride like you have?
God of War Lu Bu,
You truly embody the essence of brains and brawn.
A paramount state of cultivation.
Too bad we walk a feudal path;
A shallow path.
Winner takes all. A pitiful reality."
- Cao Cao
"I know what you mean.
So then,
Use my petty achievements to show off your glory."
- Lu Bu
Lu Bu at the end, appears to realize he will not be spared, and accepts his death with grace.
Fine then, execute me, and brag to the world of having defeated me.
. . . .
Ecclesiastes brings up idea that a living idea is better than a dead lion,
Though I am not sure we are supposed to agree.
. . .
Voldemort and Dumbledore disagree on whether there was anything worse than death.
. . .
. . .
People 'do have their ideals,
And we 'all die someday,
Erwin Smith's Final Speech - My Soldiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3rHkEZuUw
. . .
I wonder myself at times, 'when we exist, when we die.
From a certain point of view, as Obi-Wan said.
"Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be the Jedi Anakin Skywalker and "became" the Sith Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view."
-Return of the Jedi
. . .
Though I sometimes wonder it more literally.
Question of identity as SatanLucy reminded me of recently.
. . .
. . .
There is something we admire in fierce determination and pride unto death, at times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camar%C3%B3n
. . .
Though I don't mean to say that fierce determination through life and enduring others attempts at wronging them, is wrong either.
Just different viewpoints and values, either direction quite interesting, and has their strengths.
@debate on pantheism
I think people just had some trouble understanding what it was that you were debating.
Clear title and description, as well as goalposts are often useful in a debate.
Sets win conditions, limits what is debated,
I doubt I would talk as much in person or on the phone,
As I do with what I write.
I 'have heard a fair few times the expression, "Well this is a fine kettle of fish",
Meaning messy, awkward, or difficult problem.
Though I am unsure where I've heard it.
"Pantheism is the most unique faith which demonstrates atheism"
Maybe "unique" was not the best word to use?
Though maybe it was, I'm not quite sure what you meant by unique.
It also might have been better to only go with one claim to prove, than two.
Though I get it that sometimes one wants to discuss whether something is true, and also discuss the ramifications if X is true.
. . .
You can possibly decrease BOP on such debates,
By including in the description that if anyone accepts the debate, they accept that the BOP in the debate is to be equally shared.
And/Or that they must argue an alternative to Pantheism.
Burden of Proof - The obligation to prove an assertion or claim.
"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo." - Wikipedia
https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Burden_of_Proof
https://ddo.fandom.com/wiki/Burden_Of_Proof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#:~:text=The%20burden%20of%20proof%20is%20usually%20on%20the%20person%20who,the%20person%20who%20lays%20charges."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CJQT_PS9k82QkgrsyTQMKaQ90uY9yubVT0KPMR9XFcc/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0
. . .
I can't explain it well,
Maybe because I don't understand it too well myself.
I think I usually just place BOP on both debaters.
Besides, maybe the BOP shifts, the more proof one gives.
Do you have any examples of the debates where it has been a difficulty?
Why bother with an mmo when someone else holds your character and world hostage?
No offline play, changes to game.
Might be interesting if one could retire their character to an offline game.
Somehow pretty relaxing just hearing you guys talk about stuff.
1min30sec
I liked WoW Classic,
Ran better on my computer, had some cool items, quests, enemies, that I'd never used before.
But I have no faith in Blizzard, so I'm not going to pay for it.
'Really liked WoW for a while, but that level squish of their's was a the last. . . log, I'll not say stick or straw.
I 'liked being able to pause my characters levels and optimize them, ruined all my work.
WoW had other problems, such as them breaking old items and gear stats,
Craft a bomb that is 'supposed to be strong, nope, only does one damage.
Same with a lot of weapons and gear,
Lot of the toy nerfs and restrictions irritated me.
Hardcore was pretty fun, but I died too often to bullspit, such as falling through a dungeon wall and dying to a forever fall.
Disconnect deaths, high enemy NPCs in low rank area. Bah.
2min
I'll never forget Arthas, bah to Shadowlands,
Dumb version of life after death anyway.
Probably would have been better if they had never been so explicit.
But WoW is full of stupid plots anyway, why should Voss become a loyal undead and undead brainwash loyal humans? Boo!
BAH, whole game just ends up irritating me.
3min
Too ugly?
BAH to pretty graphics.
Warcraft III didn't 'need a remaster of graphics, looked awesome as it was.
There's a 'quality to graphics beyond super realistic.
Rayman 2 had cool graphics.
Onepunch Man Webcomic has a way of evoking emotion with it's style that I don't get from the Manga.
Besides WoW has pretty good graphics, and a lot of weapons, armor.
5min
Bah, who needs to 'catch up in an MMO?
All the content should have it's charm, not 'just the recent content.
WoW actively drives people 'away from all content but the current content, in my view.
6min45sec
WoW isn't ugly.
Environment, buildings, characters, I always enjoyed looking at, traveling about, looking at.
7min47sec
Blasted level squish, if not for that I'd have kept playing.
WoW. Fun world to just walk around in, travel from town to town.
9min5sec
I think WoW's story is carp.
Partially because so much 'could be awesome or 'was.
It'd be kind of interesting if RTS games showed where other players were looking.
Maybe like in BFME2, an eye of Sauron for every player, always active and directed wherever each players camera is.
Course, might take away from some steath tactics in RTS.
Eh, just add an ability to hide the eye now and then.
Best requires set parameters, maybe,
Let's suppose some city or country decides to make a single game available to all it's citizens.
Why?
Are they trying to entertain and distract the people?
Are they trying to get the people to interact so they can spy on them?
Are they trying to get the people to interact to build bonds?
Are they trying to create a video game sport or lootbox game? To get money from the population?
I'm not sure there 'is a greatest video game of all time.
Take clothes for example, people's sense of fashion changes all the time, and varies by region.
What 'is a game?
Tetris 'does have advantage of simplicity, separate people can come up with the idea of Tetris, but it will still be Tetris.
. . . Minecraft, if separate people come up with blocky building game, will it still be Minecraft?
I'm pretty fond of chess,
But I might lean towards Go as the best game,
Never played it, don't understand it, but it seems a type of game that could be invented/discovered by separate people. Due to simplicity, fundamental nature/math/science/laws of existence.
Yet complex enough to enjoy.
Chess is complex and simple yeah, and separate people may invent chesslike games, but they are not chess.
Chess very specific in how pieces move, how many of each type.
. . .
Also the question of the best game yet and/or currently invented I suppose.
Chess and Tetris have outlasted some video games, though the video games 'were more popular, they have aged and been replaced.
Heh, course on another hand, maybe chess and tetris 'never the 'best video games, but 'are always 'among the best.
The best always changing, being new as tech and culture change, improve, new games and mods come about.
Personally I doubt most people answer surveys and polls.
Thus they can often be inaccurate.
And I think the methodology of the survey always ought be questioned.
(Unless one is trying to win a debate) (Joke)
That one's peers are all a bunch of criminals, 'sounds like a flaw in prisons.
But then I've never studied rehabilitation, history of prisons, or compared many of them.
I think I recall a Twilight Zone episode once, where some guy is banished alone to a planet, but they send him an android to keep him company.
Isolationism being associated with preservation of bloodline and culture is a nonsense thing that Neonazis and severe Fascists made into some so called formal theory. GreatfulGoy#5
Well, I can't say I've ever researched or thought on it deeply.
But if you don't have a degree of separation, you get overrun, look at the Native Americans before the Modern Americans.
Look at the Britains before the Saxons.
Culture" isn't "blood. Judaism suggests it is but it is not directly like that at all. GreatfulGoy#5
'Technically I agree culture is not blood,
'Less technically and more practically, I argue it 'is.
'Appearance, people know their histories, more than 'ever, as photos and film have developed.
But even old sagas in places, sometimes speak of what one's ancestors 'looked like.
One can be tied to one's history by blood.
That's not to say people can't adopt history,
But they will still lack a connection and meaning.
And 'connections are often valued by humans.
Why do people care to find their unknown sperm donor parents?
Blood. Blood!
"There are non natives in Europe far more cultured European than some supposedly native white degenerates there. One can" prioritize "preservation of culture without being very racist and isolationist in approach." GreatfulGoy#5
Well. . . I'm not arguing any race or culture is superior by dint of ability,
I'm arguing a prioritization influence of people by their relation.
Do people not care more for their 'family than strangers?
One's parents, siblings, cousins, aunts, and uncles before strangers?
Yeah it varies, but some us care more for family,
(In general)
(Values, a mix of nature and nurture)
And I say that because some family is terrible, and some strangers great, but (Shrug) rule of thumb.
"It is a question of defining" the "cultural values and leaving bigotry behind (very difficult to do, left wing" bigotry "exists also, it is why people on the left despise Trump's family not just Trump. They are tribalist and don't" realize "it to then question why they are.)" GreatfulGoy#5
If I imagine some million space aliens landing on Earth,
Then replacing all the humans,
I wouldn't feel fine just if they kept the names of our places and practiced our laws and cultures.
Tribalism abounds Left and Right, in a multitude of forms I am sure.
Depends on the question put to people, maybe,
Maybe some people believe in aliens, but doubt they have visited Earth.