Lunatic

So it wasn't listed in your role PM as 1x Watcher, 1x Roleblocker, 1x Bulletproof? It was just the first two and then BP as a passive?

Like I said the Bulletproof is not passive I have to choose to use it

I thought you could pick a new role from the list each time you select a target

Me too

I did say I targeted Casey last DP and I got a positive result, so Casey's role is the BG. I haven't used it yet this DP since it seemed kind of pointless.

I thought you said you used it dp1 on castin. I know you mean her not Casey lol.

so if not who did you target night one? Also how is using it pointless? You can confirm someone can’t you? Or am i not understanding your role?

Who did you target with your role last day phase and who are you targeting this day phase?

savant just confirmed that the 1 v 1 is still valid with magos vote.

So yeah you can just vote me or Thoth here whoever you think is scummier, and either end the game in the next phase or no lynch and do the 1 v 1 scenario to be safe. Theres always the possibility Whiteflame is scum so no lynching would potentially eliminate that possibility next day phase

For that scenario to be possible there would have to be a no lynch I believe

Well I’ll go ahead and claim because I’m doing the math and I think the game is solvable. I am a 1x bulletproof. Didn’t want this to implicate wryly because of the logic that she was the only protection role, but I honestly don’t think bulletproof would be the only protective role in the game. Plus her having the main character looks very good unless she just straight up guessed the main character is in the game.

Also initially I was told the bulletproof was passive which is why I watched myself thinking I would be night killed and survive and see the culprit. Later on savant told me that I had to activate it specifically so yeah if I had known that I wouldn’t have used the watcher that way but oh well.

Anyways how confident are you that scum is me or Thoth? I’d almost be confident enough to bet the game that wryly and banana are town. Whiteflame is probably town but has the most room for error I guess. I’d say you can just lynch both of us in either order and win here, but if you end up having second thoughts on wryly banana or Whiteflame being town it will backfire.

I am asking savant if we make it to a 1 v 1 scenario with one scum and one town if magos vote keeps the game alive. In theory it does and if that’s the case I don’t think it’s even possible to lose here.

I don’t think I know that reference lol

. Maybe Luna’s third role could confirm him, though he hasn’t suggested that yet

It can confirm me, again, requires me to use it properly however. I have been hesitant to claim the last one because it would potentially implicate someone else and I don't want anyone scum reading them for that reason.

I am leaning thoth atm. The more I think about whiteflame the more I town read him. Could be wryly, but unless she guessed the main character wasnt in the game I doubt it. I doubt banana based on her role. I think it really is just that easy and its Thoth. But I am in no rush here.

I will be going to bed soon also have the ufc fights later so I might not post until late late

I dont think we are in lylo yet man, we still have two mislynches til we lose

I wanna hear from whiteflame

If it makes you feel better, i'll glaze you since thats clearly what you want. Oh thoth! your such a good mathmetician! What a manly man, look how smart and arithmetic he is! Put it in my mouth! Right now you whore! I wanna suck you dry!

Not only have I not pursued your lynch, I made a case for you being potentially framed in post 9. Are you so mad at me for the math thing that you are just trying to villainize everything about me?

"How would that do that," she asked groggily

If I roleblocked him and a kill still went through, that would mean he didn't carry out the kill

Anything is possible, I just dont really see why. Considering the other scum was a bus driver, thats a pretty weak scum team

If thoth is not mafia and mafia really forfeited their kill, I can only think that someone inside the POE players who were previously thought to be likely town are actually scum, meaning banana or wryly could be bad. Because under the idea that we were lynching the POE, it makes no sense to forfeit their actions, we already had the mislynches to kill everyone in the POE but now we have an extra one. So if they forfeited, the idea was we lynch thoth, a kill happens, we go to lylo and mislynch one of me or whiteflame gets lynched in Lylo, the win in that scenario if we are operating under the scenario that the previous POE was rock solid.

If they did, that’s hilarious because it means they most likely don’t understand mislynch math. Guess I was just showing off huh?

Your being cringe dude.

You are officially back in the POE

Well that is extremely unfortunate lol.

I used a 1x roleblock on mago, so if the kill went through we could town confirm him. Really wasn't expecting scum to kill him. Almost used it on whiteflame, but figured mago was a bigger risk for getting lynched.

If you want to kill me tonight I am okay with it, I just ask that you be open minded about lynching Wylted if it comes to mylo. I’m not like 100% convinced he’s scum or anything, just saying this so if he is you don’t bite yourself in the ass

It may seem counter intuitive to ask this but which way are you leaning using your vig on? I have to gamble how I use my role tonight and I don’t want to interfere or fuck up with your action. If you don’t tell me that’s fine I’ll just gamble it in the smartest way I feel I can.

I am okay. However remember that lunatic put himself in the POE and is making a bunch of WIFOM arguments like

"I would never take risks as scum"

Or 

"If I was scum I would have been a pussy and rage quit after KOhais claim"

I know it’s wifom but I didn’t just come out of the blue saying it I was responding to people who were scum reading me. If you want Thoth can kill me tonight so you don’t have to worry about it in lylo, I’m getting pretty used to being scum read for no reason though and either getting lynched or not being able to cook because yall are wasting so much time scum reading me so if it helps move the game forward to vig me im happy to take the hit. I wasn’t even going to play this one, I just saw you had an inactive and felt bad for you guys. If my contributions aren’t meaningful or helpful I’ve got other things I can happily go do.

If you want a lynch so bad hammer yourself. You were gonna mod kill yourself anyway. And I have not been delaying anything, i got the ball rolling on a mass claim and then my vote has been on you since yesterday. I can’t make everyone else vote I can just ask them to and hope they do. What do you want from me lol

Dude, I'm not trying to warp the game around myself or ignore everything else going on in the game. I'm just explaining my thought process behind one read, a thought process which I figured was simple enough that everyone would understand it by themselves, or at least after seeing a very simple example. I'm so sorry that your inability to follow grade-school arithmetic makes me come off as "bragging about how smart I am". Half the reason why I'm so "stubborn" about this read is that people keep questioning it because they didn't understand what I said.

You keep changing the narrative about math instead of taking into account multiple other factors.

VTL Lunatic

Your voting me because your mad at me lol this is just a petty vote. Whose an angry lil boy now? That's right! You are!

If you want my reads, I'll post them, but you're acting like my entire approach to this game is just to repeat my daily affirmation that wylted is town-confirmed.

You've been consistently repeating the idea that he is town and then changed the reasons for why he is town, so clearly your hell bent on believing he is town, even after finding out that your initial reason for town reading him being incorrect you post justified another reason to town read him. Doesn't neccesairly make you scum, but it shows you are stubborn. Considering a few people are leaning towards lynching him its prevalent to the current discussion of who to lynch, so idk why you think I am going after you for this. If you are just stubborn about it thats fine. Like I said earlier, we can agree to disagree. But if you want to have a dialogue about it I am here for it. Being pissed at an alternative opinion is a bit weak though.

And yeah reads couldn't hurt, if you are genuinely trying to help town solve the game. I know you scum read magoroth and townread wylted but that's about all im picking up from you so far and its been pretty consistent since dp1.

I remember in second grade when I was the only kid in my class who could read silently and some other kids thought I was faking it. Even when I proved it, they called me a smartass. So I guess it's back to second-grade with you, huh?

I was never good at math, i'll admit. Not my strongest subject. I can do basic mylo math and I do it all the time in these games. It's not hard to figure out in 9-12 player games. None of your math stuff is really relevant, unless you are just trying to show off, which I am getting the vibe you are. Not sure why. Cool flex though.

Not necessarily that Savant balanced the game perfectly, just that he thought to include a role that would likely balance an effect that could change how many day phases we have. I’m appalled that none of you seem to grasp the math here. It’s just parity and arithmetic.

I feel like you are bragging about how smart you are with math when NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT MISLYNCH MATH. WTF drugs are you on right now? Could it be true that savant balanced an entire role around you (that you can't even shoot, and that is never going to happen now that wylted outed his role) yeah maybe. Or he could have factored in kohais role, or wrylys role to balance it, or he just didn't balance it well, or maybe it swingy, etc... There's a million possibilities for how balance could play out here and you are stubbornly stamping your foot about this one that conveniently town reads wylted so you can ignore the other ones.

Typically beloved princesses/martyrs are made to counter mafia not town. Also You are assuming the game is just insanely well balanced and not accounting for any swinginess, which with a vig, we already should know this game is swingy. Not to mention potentially three investigative roles.

I know, but I buy wylted’s claim because it seems specifically designed to fit with my role.

Yeah I dont see it, but we can agree to disagree.

The protective role in this case (1) can also block a Mafia kill and (2) does not alter the mislynch math since she dies in her target’s stead. I don’t see how Bus Driver counteracts Vigilante specifically, and, again, it doesn’t alter the mislynch math since a bus swap just makes someone else die.

I am not sure what mislynch math has to do with my point, im just pointing out that there is counters to vig.