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And Kamala had ample opportunity to separate herself from party failures. The in-the-pocket show "The View" practically begged on hands and knees to slam dunk the ball, and she flubbed. Did she just not get the memo?

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I guess that's why the assassin got killed on the White House lawn, he was just following team rules.


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Which it isn't.


Oh, it most certainly is. Cuba is a great example of when the non - working wolves take over "democratically"


It's certainly not natural.


It's the reason why the opposite of anarchy never prevails. Free isn't freedom

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and like it or not society always naturally divides into the workers and the management.


No, it doesn't, at least not in 2026.


In 2026, society is artificially divided between the producing and working sheep and the non-working and non-producing wolves, voting for the non-producing government to shear every sheep for "equality".

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Which in essence is no different to a private organisation controlling the supply of goods


That's also a contradiction. Authoritative bodies control the supply of production. Private organizations control the production of supplies.

Every one of New York's "government-owned grocery stores" will have the shelves stocked through force and fear. The government has not, and will never be, a producer of anything but fear and control. The government has never been a true producer of wealth or goods. Its primary instruments are authority, enforcement, and control.

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Yep, that's going to be the future of New York.


equality and freedom


This is the actual contradiction, because USA never limits equality to the application of authority.

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There's nothing "not communist" about a government-owned supermarket.


Which is a somewhat nicer variation on the same theme of hierarchical order.


Yes, a nicer sounding form of oppression and lack of personal liberty.

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Such is the American psyche...Continually sold the unachievable dream


The Chinese don't even have a government as ambitious as New York communism.


Government-owned grocery stores, expanded public/social housing through a government development authority, publicly funded universal childcare expansion, free city bus expansion through subsidies, support for public banking, greater public ownership/control of utilities and healthcare, and broader city-directed economic intervention in housing and essential services.


Lmao @ "land of the free"

They took the word free and corrupted it beyond all rationale.

That's what really happened to the American Dream


There are zero liberals left in America. American culture slowly took the phrase "Freedom isn't Free" and reversed it to;


"Free isn't Freedom"


and of course a large proportion of Americans, and not just white European Americans are too dim witted to understand.

That is certainly true. When you enter the country illegally, on the premise that you can sacrifice every last shred of personal liberty for welfare, you are probably too dim-witted to know it's an unsustainable system.

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I don't know why the UK even voted for Brexit when they just allowed anyone from all over the globe to establish foreign tribes in your country anyway.


Wasn't Brexit supposed to give your country the authority to preserve its culture and country? Seems like a waste.

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Plus that basket of deplorables comment by hillary really was uncalled for. It hurt the feelings of trumps base. and was too toxic compared to our dear leaders clean record on the point of insults


Yah, a basket of communists is a far worse insult.

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Mark Cuban...


Sadly, he is MAGA


who believe in democracy


Good luck destroying your Constitution to create a democracy. It will be fun to see the USA destroy itself with popular whim rule as they vote in tyranny.


James Madison and Alexander Hamilton and Jefferson, who founded American liberalism, will certainly approve.

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Are there no suitably intelligent articulate B Shitting Democrats available?...With the available funds of course.


Nearly all of the leading hopefuls are highly educated individuals. The problem isn't the people, it's the content matter.


Selling far-left communism in America is hard, no matter how intelligent you are.

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It's just weaker fascists fighting for power from the stronger fascists. That's all.


That ideological war was lost long ago.

Large modern states, regardless of branding, naturally accumulate administrative power, economic influence, national mythology, and behavioral control.

It's inevitable that liberalism would die. People forget what it's like to be free.

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As I said, there are no liberals left in your country. They have all been converted to accept government control over everything.

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Cool! Your country actually needs a 1776-style revolt since it's knee deep in fascism right now.


There are no liberals left in your country to feed the tree of liberty with their blood, though.

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And those people think there is no civic duty, such as the civic duty of the founding fathers that was required to create a constitution to protect the people from a tyrannical government (which was entirely necessary because the government naturally does NOT look after the people, nor does it have any duty to do so. It's a bureaucratic enforcement machine, with no scruples. That's all it is.)


The USA is fast becoming a low-trust society where nobody can rely on anyone else but themselves, because the current culture rewards obedience to the government and doesn't shame those who do not care about their local community. It's a culture of excuses for rampant toxic personal behavior, imagined government security, and imagined local oppression.



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I like how you forgot to omit the word "ignores"


Nice accidental self-tell.


Also:

The job of the individual is to look out for the individual's best interest, the job of the government is to look out for the interests of the whole.


That remains one of the most backwards ideological inconsistencies I have ever read, and I have read a lot. It not only absolves the individual of his civic duty in the first part but also ascribes a duty that clearly is not evident by any metric with your second claim.

Governments are not magically composed of selfless entities operating outside human nature. They are collections of individuals pursuing incentives, power, influence, and institutional preservation just like everyone else. Leave it to a political hack to ascribe saint-like qualities to an institution with the most mindless fervor of faith seen in any religion.


Yes, I am well aware you can ask ChatGPT to write another page long rebuttal. I prefer to interact with real people.


That was a fast concession. Nice.