I will explain in a later post. I just wanted to make this now so I don't forget about it
I will explain in a later post. I just wanted to make this now so I don't forget about it
Yay, now I can use ChatGPT model 4.0 for free instead of getting 4.0 mini or 3.5 (whatever it is)
Yes. According to the book, the true Christian, or specifically holiness folks can read the book where it says they are condemned already thus condemning them.
You believe people should say to others "You are going to Hell"? How is that helpful; how could the person even determine that? It's not right of them to say because they do not have the knowledge or the authority.
Do you believe child porn should be legal?
No.
Do you believe the Nirvana Album (child porn) should be legal?
It's not child pornography. Porn is defined as "The depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement."
Just cause Timmy in the photo took a swim without trunks doesn't make it porn.
If your answers are different, then you're a hypocrite.
I am a hypocrite regardless
prayer, worship, praise--one of these also could be a fundamental
Now , you mentioned about the concept.
What is the concept?
To understand the concept of something, one must understand the fundamentals of the concept. What are the fundamentals of Christianity? They come directly from the Bible and are intrinsically tied to it.
One of the fundamentals of Christianity is the concept of the salvation we have. Status of being saved comes through baptism (though not required) and having faith in Christ Jesus.
Another fundamental is the nature of God. He is Three in One, which is a truth painfully enumerated in the Athanasian Creed.
Fundamental Three is understanding who Jesus is and His role in the universe, specifically to us.
Fundamental Four is the Bible.
other things too like understanding sin, eternity, the Church.
All of these things were either instituted by God or are of His nature.
Hi, I don't mean to go so long without responding, but sometimes I don't make time for this or I lose interest. Trying to be on most every day.
Does the Bible teach and is it written that God predestined those he elected to Christianity?
Your question to me sounds like it has a redundancy in it. One could reword it as 'God [chose] those he [chose for] Christianity.'
I think you are asking if God has predestined people to be saved.
The Bible does show that God desires for all to be saved and has prepared a place for everyone in Heaven. He does not desire for anyone to go to Hell.
I suppose in a way, one could say that we are all predestined to be saved, but we have the ability to choose otherwise. I don't think predestination is the best term for it though, considering our freewill. Rather like, God has planned for the event that all are saved, and all are welcome in His kingdom.
Bible verses that support this:
“This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
“The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”
“Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?”
“In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.”
Does anyone know a user called 21Pilots?
Yeah, he proffered some images to be the icon of DC
*Did you inherit
Do you inherit Albert Einstein's tongue? It's something of an icon.
props to u if u can prove it with a photo.
So you are saying that the word Christianity used as the term for the religion we are talking about bothers you because it is a scheme of a man to deviate people from Scripture and sound doctrine? What is your thought process for concluding Christianity is a scheme of man? You say that mankind creates schemes by coining things, but how is this the case with Christianity? What is functionally different from being a Christian and a follower of God? Are one of those terms not doctrinally sound? If so, how?
For your argument, you need to either prove that:
So far, you have used statement #1 to prove #2, but you have not proven statement #1 so your conclusion could still be false. Your entire proof for #2 comes from #1 so if #1 is false, your argument falls apart.
Honestly, if you continue to claim #1, I will assert slippery-slope logical fallacy for that because of your reasoning for it.
Also, please clarify what is a "coined" term. Is that any term that exists or what does that mean? Weren't all terms “coined” at one time in history?
For sake of clarity, a scheme means: to make plans in a devious way or with intent to do something wrong.
I don't know what the definition is.
That is interesting considering how confident you are in what Christianity is.
It is mankind inventing the classification which is undeniable.
Sure, mankind created the term “Christianity” by using our gift of language from God, however, the concept of Christianity originates from God.
So then are you saying you aren't a hypocrite?
No, that is not what I am saying. What is your thought process for that? How did u conclude I am saying I am not a hypocrite?
You gave examples of hypocrisy and pointed out how everyone in your examples is a hypocrite no matter what they do, but you never gave an argument for how it is not immoral to be a hypocrite.
I don’t think I saw your reasoning for why being a hypocrite is not immoral. I think you implied because everyone is a hypocrite, so it seems, this justifies hypocrisy.
However, this is bandwagon logical fallacy
I'd say another consideration is expected outcomes.
Sure Christians may want to save people,
But will telling people they will go to Hell, the best outcome that can be achieved?
Well, depends on the method maybe,
I'd imagine there are many ways of talking about Hell to people.
And many possible reactions, depending on who one is talking to.
Yeah, there are different ways to discuss Hell and the prerequisites for entering it, but I don't think anyone should assume any specific person of going to Hell. That is not for them to know or assume. They can't know, and it is wrongfully accusatory. Wrong in that it's inappropriate as a Christian to condemn someone in that way. I personally think there are more people in Heaven and going to Heaven than one would presumably think, but it is a theory that needs working on from me.
Sure Christians may want to save people,
Unfortunately this is a misunderstanding that even Christians make for their duty. Christians don't save anyone. That is an act of grace from God. Christians can only spread the Word and remain resolute that the Holy Spirit will do its work. We are not meant to do the saving.
I bring this up because the mindset a Christian can have that is one of being the Savior can make them be too over the top in their spiritual statements and judgements of other people. They are asserting a position of authority that is not theirs, and this can make one conceited and too aggressive in speech.
Example is: one guy says to another “You are going to Hell if you don't follow my religion.” He positions Christianity as something of his that others need to submit to, which is the wrong intention.
with reference to Logical Argument and Probability Argument, the fallacies in those arguments are why christianforums.com is stupid. I always feel censored on that site, and I think I am prone to self-censoring at times for fear of my post being deleting or that I receive a ban. I have had trouble with them in the past. There is at least one thing in their SoP (Statement of Purpose) that is so backwards.
Also, people on that site are much less logical than here. When I make a thread and I am able to make most users who post on it look stupid, I know I am in the wrong place. I shouldn't be that smart, lol.
That whole argument above makes perfect sense, and I completely agree with it @SatanLucy
Debatecraft should introduce a rule that users arent allowed to violate free speech of others. This rule would essentially be a consequentialist type rule where actions which result in reducing free speech of users in total are considered bad. This rule would of course be subject to interpretation by community, owner and mods, but couldnt be removed except by owner.
That sounds good. But before that is implemented, we need to discuss the parameters for free speech--what free speech consists of.
And of course what wouldn't be bad with the idea of limiting someone's free speech is if they violate a rule and need to be punished through muting, banning, or deletion of post material because that trumps on someone else's freedom.
Because X is owned by the Antichrist. Lol, jk
By “condemn” I mean telling someone “You are going to Hell.”
People who live in selfish, cruel ways, often end up alone and in pain on Earth, never mind the afterlife.
Those who bully are often isolated and alone, if not bullied themselves in turn, should they 'lose power.
Lot of selfish behavior ends up self harmful,
Lot of behavior becomes difficult to 'break, the longer and deeper one digs the groove of that behavior.
End up with self destructive lifestyles, estranged from any friends or family.
Hard to change, and then one feels 'stuck in a Hell.
Hell is a lot worse than all of that because on this Earth the concept of redemption is still present no matter the situation. In Hell, it is eternal pain and suffering without end.
When you read the scripture, you learn what God actually established for the faith and it wasn't called the christianity faith or even Christian faith. But people come along and invent labels and classifications and conflate things and coin things as what they did at Antioch.
Okay, this is what I thought you were going to bring up. Your thought process is: because the linguistic term came after the concept that the term is based on, that somehow yields a flaw or a problem. I disagree in the case of Christianity. Look at what Christianity is and explain why the definition disagrees with the Bible.
Christianity is an invention of man.
How is Christianity an invention of man and not caused by God?
I'm not sure what you meant by “According to the scripture, God didn't even invent or call anyone to be christian or didn't call any a christian.”
God calls us to follow Him. What is a Christian? Oh, a follower of God. If you're saying the above because the word “Christian” isn't used in the Bible you are wasting people's time. Look at what "Christian" means.
"Christianity did not come from God ."
Yeah, it did. He is the cause for it.
"Tag me directly of course. Don't shy away like others do."
You haven't replied to my post I tagged you in on the other thread. Lol
Should Christians condemn people in fact anyone to Hell?
After answering please explain.
I believe DMs also work right now too
Yes, we can. When tagged, you should get a badge by your pfp top right corner click on pfp > notifications and you will see who tagged you. The notif does not provide a link to the convo u got tagged for yet, and u have to do some hunting for where the tag is in the forums because the only info u get for location is that the tag is somewhere, anywhere, in the forums
Test concluded. I can't tag myself
Okay, trying again. It didn't work
Get tagged son
I'm just gonna tag myself
I guess God was X x and X y, since their made in its image.
You are conforming God to you worldly understanding of gender. Gender was instituted by God. That does not mean he is all genders somehow. Although, we reference God as He/Him because He is a personable being and has a relationship with us.
Being that we're talking about biblical context, what do you say morality is?
The Oxford American Dictionary does fine as to define morality, but with respect to Biblical context morality is an extension of God's nature established into reality to distinguish standards of good and evil.
The scriptures talk about what God is but never puts it as moral. Morality is more of mankind's concept of good and bad .
What you're saying is the Scriptures never define God as moral. If you look at what moral means it suits God's nature. If you're saying the Bible never literally says something similar to “God is moral” then I think the next step is to look at the def. of “moral” and see how it applies to God.
Regarding second sentence, morality is a concept given to mankind by God
How much do you weigh?