Mag1c built this setup, and I think he was the one who told me that it's a good rule of setup design to give scum a counter to all of town's abilities. We have a flipped Doctor and Cop and essentially confirmed claims of Tracker and Vigilante. Redirector can counter all four.
I wonder if Nicknamer could be redirected.
Current Games:
Banana - Pitt Mafia
Sign-ups:
Magoroth - Apocalypse Mafia
In the Hopper:
Mikal
whiteflame - Frieren Mafia
Pie - TBD
Lunatic
REF - Candace Owens Expanded Universe
Kohai
Thoth - Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
On Hold:
AnonymousIcon
Wylted - Lulsec
Mag1cman
It wouldn't surprise me if Shining was a 1x Ninja / 1x Strongman and they used the Strongman on Alyssa assuming that she would doctor herself
Intent to vote Shining
I am okay dropping this hammer tonight if Mago and Luna are ready
I'm not liking how Shining seriously suggested that the other Mafia was just a goon with a town this stacked
I ISO'd Mago some and I didn't see anything bad. If it's Shining then I have next to nothing to work with. The point about wylted slipping about there being a Redirector is interesting.
There was almost 0 interaction between Wylted and Shining.
There's been almost 0 interaction between Shining and anyone.
I'm going to iso Shining and Magoroth tonight, but if it's Shining then I won't have that much to work off of.
Every-night Redirector would make sense because it gives scum a response to everything in a stacked town.
Yeah, but you couldn’t have known going into last night that you wouldn’t get a result.
Yeah, but you couldn’t have known going into last night that you wouldn’t get a result.
If Luna is scum, he made the most ridiculously unnecessary bus in history. If I am scum, the setup is at least borderline bastard since it means scum got two kills. So, not really that well played.
I forgot, did Vader check Shining night 1?
Why do you think you probably should have tracked Mago if you thought you would get a result on Shining?
Lunatic is town-confirmed by getting wylted lynched when a mislynch would have won him the game immediately if he were scum. I am town-confirmed by the lack of counter-claim to my Vigilante kill. That leaves Magoroth or Shining, and I don't have enough mechanical information to choose one or the other. Gun to my head, it's Magoroth, but I think we need to be re-reading past day phases and nothing else is going to move this discussion forward.
There’s 0 reason for you to be redirected with a Cop in the game.
You mean last night? If they had a redirect, wouldn't they have used it on Lunatic since they were going to kill Vader?
I think Lunatic wouldn’t bus his teammate so hard.
Lunatic absolutely would bus his teammate aggressively in some situations, but I can't imagine any reason why he would have bussed wylted last DP when all he would have had to do is secure one mislynch.
So it is either a 1x they saved for some reason (on np1, which is the highest likelihood of them getting tracked)
Wouldn't NP1 have the lowest likelihood of them being tracked since that's the night with the most players alive?
If there is a ninja it is x shot, otherwise they would have just had the ninja carry the kill and I wouldn't have seen wylted. So this complicates things.
Not necessarily, depending on what other abilities they had, but Ninja tends to go with Strongman and I very much doubt they used that on night 1 after a claimed Doctor was lynched.
I'm trying to think of any scenario, however convoluted, where scum!Lunatic would have had a reason to bus wylted yesterday instead of ending the game immediately by faking Tracker results on a townie. Nothing comes to mind, so, yes, this is between Shining and Magoroth. More likely Magoroth, but a Ninja or redirect is possible.
VTL wylted
This does leave the question of whether I think wylted would ask about a Miller after a Cop claim
At this point I'm thinking it's just wylted/Shining or wylted/Mago.
There's a non-zero possibility of Lunatic and wylted organizing this as a bus. I very much doubt it, but I can see Lunatic/wylted as the kind of scum pair that would pull it.
You guys should be thinking who would be my scum partner or who would be lunatics
Considering that we have a confirmed Cop and probably a confirmed Tracker, I'm fine leaving that thinking until tomorrow.
Our best option here may be to no-lynch and, for the purpose of lynch math, treat my shot on Pie as today's lynch with the bonus of knowing his alignment and role before end-of-day. I'm open to considering it, but I'd feel more comfortable lynching wylted.
Just seeing this. And since you are town or has to do with his sexual exploits and using a different tool for each job
sexual exploits
different tool for each job
I am very curious
I'm actually liking the Vanilla claims. Banana said she got this setup from Mag1c, and Mag1c uses Vanilla regularly. K-Pop Demon Hunters had three Vanillas out of five Townies. That said, KPDH gave scum Vanilla with a character as a fake-claim, and one of the games Mag1c hosted on Discord a few weeks ago had two vanilla scum (Goon) along with three Vanilla Townies.
I'm scumreading wylted's hesitance to provide justification. The reason why we don't claim everything immediately is because we want to keep information secret from scum. Knowing your justification is not going to help scum. There is zero reason why a townie should hide justification if they have claimed their role and character.
Sup
Vader or me is the obvious kill and then your still in the same spot in LYLO with the exact same POE
Between you and Vader, we get a Cop or Tracker result.
I agree that everyone needs to full-claim here.
