Lunatic can you fucking stop fucking using fucking ChatGPT to write your fucking analysis
Lunatic can you fucking stop fucking using fucking ChatGPT to write your fucking analysis
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/24/2026 at 9:33 PM (post #168)
Mistyped that Roman numeral, it’s Ice-IX. Long day.
So it goes.
Again, I have been sick, I will try to participate tonight and discuss what's been said today but I can't guarantee deep analysis.
That is what I thought rolemad meant: there are no vanillas.
Yes, I am a vanilla townie, which, as Mag1c noted, means the game is not rolemad per my understanding of rolemad, hence why I said the OP was wrong. My 'character', i.e., apocalypse, is the Sun turning into a red giant and swallowing the Earth. Justification is that this will happen in a billion years, so almost nobody today cares about it or preps for it. Actually, this will happen in about five or six billion years, and Bullish was probably thinking of the Sun becoming hot enough to boil the oceans and kill most or all known forms of life, which is a bit less apocalyptic. I thought whiteflame might be vanilla because one vanilla often means multiple vanillas and I figured his PM might have a similar justification to mine since he claimed that it's something preppers don't normally care about.
I am sorry, guys. I have been sick. I am vanilla. I will try to post more in a bit. I was thinking whiteflame might be vanilla too based on him saying something similar to my PM. I don’t think he should confirm or deny if he hasn’t yet.
Before I read up, I would like to ask whiteflame this question: Ignoring that Banana's ability was even-night, if someone had used it on you last night, which category of these would they have seen?
none, visiting, informational, protective, manipulative, killing, special.
You don't need to say which category specifically. I would be fine knowing if it's, for example, one of two or three categories. Actually, I won't scumread you for not answering at all, but, if you give the answer I expect, I'm townpiling you until I have reason not to. So ask yourself how much it means to you to have me townpile you.
Also, I'm curious what 'visiting' and 'special' are if not in the other four categories. I would not take this as proof of at least one of each kind being in the game, but I am curious how Bullish classifies them.
Imma be on in like an hour (you should all know by now this means anywhere from two to five hours)
VTL Vader
Leaving this here in case I don’t get on before EoD
I don't think there is enough from Vader to look at much beyond what I said in #246. IMO, currently, the only people from who we will benefit by putting them under the microscope are Mag1cman, Lunatic, and maybe Pie.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 2:50 AM (post #247)
I would argue that this is completely not true of my meta. When I am town I am usually way more aggressive in reads, especially early reads. I was laser focused on pie dp1 last game. Notice I didn't start playing conservatively, until after I was recruited to the mafia in that game. I think aggressive pushes are more consistent with my town meta than scum meta. I can link you to any number of recent games of mine if you wish to verify this.
That said I don't want to be tunnel vision here, my gut has been screaming at me that its magic, but if I can tell that's not a popular consensus I can be talked out of this read. I would like a bit of actual logic and reasoning to prove my points are wrong, rather than just "not liking it" however before I could be convinced I think.
I will hopefully get to a deeper analysis of your points before the day ends. I just trying to get a readwall up to make sure I had contributed before EoD.
Banana's readwall in #122 removes her from my sus pile from now. All her comments there seem obvious enough to me, and she proved in Solo Leveling that she can give seemingly good analysis as scum, but readwalls are always a plus. This is just a gutread, but I'm calling that, if Banana is scum, her scummate is Vader. I'm not sure what to think of your readwall in #231. I'll have to ponder that for a bit.
Before reading #224, I had a mild townlean on whiteflame for reasons that I do not want to get into. whiteflame: if my guess is on my point here, it could be worth thinking about how you said your apocalypse is not one that a lot of people prep for. I would like Banana to think about this too, based on her soft in #244. I am not so enthused about your readwall in #224. I don't see JenKiggans citing his being used to IRL Mafia as 'pushback'. I think you should know that Banana can give great readwalls as scum. See Solo Leveling again. Pie has definitely pushed this hard this early many times unless I have Alzheimer's. That observation is so out-of-character for you that it's almost Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf. I absolutely think Mag1c could and would distance and quickly undistance himself from his partner by a country mile if he thought it were the right play. I felt that #168 was scummy, whereas I think you are claiming you see it as townie. I townlean Mag1c, but it's purely a gutread. In other words, I disagree with a lot of your statements and pretty much all of your stated reads.
Re: #125 - I did my mental math wrong, I meant put Pie at L-2 not L-1. Although I am still not opposed to putting Pie at L-1, especially with EoD incoming. I think we need a claim out of someone before the day ends, and Pie is my top choice.
Re: #128 - No way, this is the kind of error only a human would make.
My read on Pie boils down to whether or not I think scum!Pie would play this aggressively the game after he was lynched for playing this aggressively. I think he would. He's not new enough that he would overcorrect after one approach fails.
I don't care how scummy this will make me sound if Jenkiggans flips scum: I don't want to vote a new-to-this-site player on day 1 without overwhelming evidence, and I encourage scum to give them a pass on night 1 unless they claim a PR or something.
This is a pure gutread, but Lunatic's laser-pointing on Mag1c in #168 feels so scummy to me. I feel like scum!Lunatic doesn't usually pinpoint specific people for day 1 reads as intensely as he did here, but I get that he didn't have that much to go off of since his previous post.
Vader is null. Everything he has said so far is in line with what other people seem to be thinking, so not much to read off of there. I agree with Mag1c's #211 that Vader's opportunism in #207 comes off as scummy even if he was busy.
Mag1c's analysis seems good to me. I do feel like I have some gutread sense for when Mag1c is scum, which was proven right in Kohai's test game recently, and it's not pinging here, but Lunatic is tingling my radar for him slightly.
If I were a Cop with a compulsive dayvig here, I would shoot WF and check Pie or Lunatic.
My agenda for the rest of this day phase is to put the read-arguments over Pie and Kohai's interactions, especially from Mag1c, under a microscope.
Readwall incoming
I will be on in a bit
Could you put Pie at L-1?
Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/20/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #87)
Also, upon re-reading my PM, I just realized that it is factually incorrect.
The PM itself? Might want to touch base with Bullish about that.
Yes, it's factually incorrect per my existing understanding and per a quick search. I know what Bullish confused it with, though, and there's no point arguing about it since the justification still makes sense.
Also, upon re-reading my PM, I just realized that it is factually incorrect.
Re: post #68. I have never heard of anyone actively prepping for my apocalypse in the way that doomers get ready for nuclear war or a pandemic.
A boy was at a custody hearing in family court because his parents beat him. The judge suggested placing the boy with his grandmother, but the boy said his grandmother also beat him. Then the judge said custody should go to the boy’s aunt, but the boy said, my aunt beats me too. The judge then made the unprecedented decision to let the boy choose who would have custody of him. The boy chose the Chicago Bears because they are not capable of beating anyone.
is* Airmax
JenKiggans 2026 in Airmax? Or are you saying that Airmax is the only other Jew on Debatecraft?
Mine kinda make sense. It's not what I would have picked for this 'character' (type of apocalypse), but I get Bullish's thinking.
My apocalypse is kinda boring too.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/19/2026 at 10:31 AM (post #10)
I will admit, I wasn’t quite sure what to expect in terms of apocalyptic events, but I think mine gives me some clear grounding on what these encompass. I suspect there’s a range from events that kill a lot of people and/or fundamentally change the world all the way up to the end of humanity. I’m going to be a little vague from there, since I think there are some restrictions that would best remain unsaid.
Fascinating. You know this from your role PM?
VTL Pie
