Ok good. Whiteflame got my message. I thought his behavior was towny in DP1 and even on a short DP he seemed the most town.
Im Ash from the Alien movie.
Ok good. Whiteflame got my message. I thought his behavior was towny in DP1 and even on a short DP he seemed the most town.
Im Ash from the Alien movie.
I also hate the speed of the last lynch. I have to reread the DP but I was really eager to jump to Mikal pressure cuz of it but there is some validity to that. I am kind of skeptical of the Vengeful claim as claiming Xenomoprh is pretty bold but I also don’t think the theme is that simple so I think pressing on this could be a bad idea. I think we need to look more towards behavior. I have some thoughts about my reads but have to drive to work now
First thing is first I need to get Whiteflame here to confirm that he received a message about something
Hello everyone. Going to start to catch up. Game went a lot faster than expected so catching up before I go to work
Hi yall. FYI I’m out of town and will be back Sunday
In gen z
Probably /out for this one. Busy schedule and can’t see myself getting time
Yeah ngl I had like 0 idea how to approach this game from a lone wolf perspective. I genuinely thought you were town fmpov. No clue who was scum and had no actions at all to find clues
Sorry for darting out (if you even knew), next week is swarmed with work.
Oops image failed but imagine I put a picture of a lone wolf
“what the fuck”
Hi everyone. I'm requesting a sub out at this point. Unfortunately my August became swamped with Q2 wrap ups and a busy weekend for the new few. Rarely have to play so I will be subbing out
What about that post from Casey made you think it was so bad that it swapped your entire read? There are some things that are debatable but in all honestly it's not that damning
Rereading Casey's ISO from Mharman
I intended on full claiming to whiteflame after this NP. I have a very legitamate reason for doing so and whiteflame can confirm this
So he is pushing me and then...wants to vote Casey??? What's going on there. If he has a behavioral scum read shouldn't he target the behavior scum? Let me keep reading though to see if there's a valid reason
Around page 8-9 at the moment so no not caught up
Most of my whiteflame conversations came Sunday when the DP closed. Whiteflame can confirm and I literally thought that the DP was still going on at this point and was posting so this proves quite literally nothing. I still engage in conversations with whiteflame but my obvious focus is on this thread
Definetly WIFOM but I'm also going on information that I know too. But with town cred as well I just think that there is an implicit bias to trust your mason partner and I don't really feel like if Luna had some insane power he would've risked that "confirmation" Luna would've targetted him. But this is deffo WIFOM and hypotheticals
This is literally the second time he wants to direct a scumread on someone to imply 3P. This hard third party push and the lack of cohesive thought process with incorrect town confirmation is so scummy that if it wasn't for whiteflame and I's conversations I would find it extremely hard to not want to push for him to be executed
Only reason I am not pushing hard on Mharman is because of conversations with WF
So with Pie being a popular I honestly have him in a strong town read. I already had a town read on him to start and I feel like this made it more likely. Also I know Airmax is a huge Tetris head and since Airmax is a lead develop I am almost certain there is something there about Airmax's favorite game. So I honestly buy that he is likely town at this point
Anyways back to work
I think Pie is at 2 at the moment…
So VTL Pie to claim test
I’m not sure what Pie is at so I want to wait for a vote count
ill start with point 2: for this point, you have to buy that I was suggesting the possibility of survivor with the purpose of getting him to claim it… which he could’ve easily avoided by reading his PM properly. So the idea that I was banking something like that is ridiculous.
this is a new player that probably had no idea what a survivor is on a site that just started mafia. I don’t think you were banking on that. I think you tried to pressure him so much that he made a mistake and hence your 3P take
My whole idea there was that he might pull a waterphoenix and tell us what faction he was, not knowing how to play the game. So I actually hinging on him actually reading the PM (the one he confirmed to Mikal!) and understanding what his affiliation is… something that should be a given with everyone who plays this game.
this is an ineffective strategy. It was only ever done once by WaterPhoenix and hasn’t reoccurred with new players. That is honestly has such little logic besides you as scum putting pressure on a new player to force them to make a mistake, which is even more scummier
it was a genuine effort at scumhunting, and when he claimed survivor, I felt like I had outed the survivor. Quite a feel people did, otherwise he wouldn’t have been lynched. This was genuine effort at scumhunting from me. Point 1, the flip, is his own fault for being so incompetent that he claimed survivor as town… all he had to do was read “you win with the town.”
again, but when you suggest something that he may not be fully aware of as a first timer, you don’t think he will be slightly lost or confused? You jumped to a conclusion on him way before he even outted. That’s not scum hunting that’s targeting a new player, inherently scummy
Please consider the fact that if I’m scum, I’m not even trying a trick like this, especially not to out a survivor that I could be teaming up with later. The second I felt he was survivor, I would have masoned him and tried to keep him alive, rather than out the possibility of him being survivor.
i can’t quote you for some reason about the mechanic but in the ideal world then yes, you are right about the survivor but at the same time then you were not the one that then strongly pushed for his lynch. You pretty much backed off his lynch and not to mention, he was probably the target with or without your vote. This is just a way for you to generate town cred
… which why scum has such a high incentive to team with the survivor. The longer the game lasts, the more chances town has to confirm themselves and pinch mafia in a PoE squeeze.
And that’s why I’m lock town.
That doesn’t lock you as town though. There’s nothing locking about that since there are so many possibilities. Town lock would be a cop getting a guilty and the turn is guilty. This is not a town lock. You baited a new player that didn’t know what he was doing to draw a mislynch
theres 2 reasons
It's also a case of I really don't have that much substance either. Feel like I'm nitpicking behaviors but with DP2 and really no deviations, I am bit reclusive to really hard town read someone
Right now my reads are as follows
Whiteflame - slight town. I feel like his insights he has given me feel genuine and I don't think there is a reason he'd be lying about anything he has told me. He came off as genuine IMO
Ragnar - Slight town. I think his behavior is pretty remiss of his town behavior. Witty and aluding to being scum by making jokes but not actually scum
RT - I don't love RT's hammer within 24hrs and that honestly pings my FOS, but again I can't get over the NK on him though. It just doesn't make any real sense on why he would kill the only person that could validate his town cred. There are a few options but that hammer and aggressiveness stir me an FoS. I also don't love the claim
Mharman - I dislike Mharman. Whiteflame and I disagree with this but Mharman's initial reaction to saying he's town locked is not just incorrect, but really scummy and honestly nothing like I've seen him as town. Usually he's analytical and focused on catching scum but he seems off
Pie - slight town. I just think his questions asking mods live kind feels town. When scum he usually doesn't do this and just spam pings the host. I feel like it's subtle but it's enough for me to slightly town read.
Everyone else is null at this point
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I'm usually really good at spotting Barney as scum but for some reason my radar is a bit off. I have some FoS because I feel like a decent amount of posts have been a bit fluffy but I also know he sometimes tends to makes jokes about himself being scum when he's town a lot of the time. It's kind of a weird pattern. He usually tends to hide back and make fluff minimal reads as scum.