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I guess one of the things I like about the pagan religions is that they're less culturally imperialistic than Christianity, but that very trait tends to keep them small. They're also subject to prejudice and seem to keep their gatherings more private than the mainstream faiths do. It's a shame. An uptick in western polytheism would be pretty cool.

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Will you be willing to put your family last? If not , is that why you're an atheist?


Can you (or anyone) explain wtf this means.

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RationalTheist likes Teletubbies

 

Edit: RationalTheist is neutral on Teletubbies

 

It works

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If I'm attacked by a bear, people will believe that I was attacked by a bear. My trauma won't be compounded by skepticism or suspicions that I'm falsely accusing a good bear, ruining a good bear's reputation.

 

The bear isn't gonna film the attack and show it to his friends. I don't have to confront the bear in trial and then see him get a light sentence and released back out.

 

These were some more female perspectives on the matter from what I remember last year.

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The odds of a bear attack itself are extremely low, like 1 in 2 million. And ofc, of those the odds of a fatal bear attack are still lower.

 

There's no data I can find of the statistics of being attacked by a man in the woods.

 

A quick google found 2 cases of women being attacked by men in wooded areas this year and 1 case of a woman being attacked by a bear. That's not anywhere close to a full picture.

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Yes, surviving rape, especially if conscious during it, would cause a person suffering for untold years, if not for the rest of their lives. However, this amounts to a subtraction of utility from a life which is still generally a net positive. This fact is evidenced by how relatively few rape survivors go on to kill themselves (for any reason whatsoever, not just that one), and if you're being honest, however much you might protest that such is a “fate worse than death”, you probably wouldn't kill yourself in the aftermath of becoming a victim of such either.

 

Even if the bear killed you instantly and painlessly, which is not a given, it would mean the deprivation of your remaining lifespan, a lifespan that probably would've been a net positive. When forced to choose between death or rape, the overwhelming majority of people will choose the latter. Were that not the case, no criminal would even try to rape somebody at gunpoint or knifepoint, because it'd be a self-evident exercise in futility. And yet, some 11 percent of rape/sexual assault attempts involve use of a weapon.

 

Oof, no. “Years of suffering” refers to being taken captive and held for years. Not PTSD. It sounds like you're assuming a psycho would just rape you once and then lose interest and leave, and you could return to civilization and begin your recovery process. My worst fear would be weeks or months of abuse followed by death, a Junko Furuta case or something like that.

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If you were lost somewhere and had nothing to eat for weeks, you would pray to God to run into some random man, and the first man you see, you would run to him desperately, because bear wont ever provide anything, and being hungry is horrible.

Nope, you're not in distress in the hypothetical. When the alternative is death, any amount of risk is preferable, so the entire question becomes moot.

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Since 2020 there have been 7 women killed by bears and 15 nonfatal bear attacks on women. Since 2020 there have been 8,000 fatal attacks on women by men and 1.6 million nonfatal attacks.

 

In a crazy hypothetical where we adjust for population, we crank up the bear population to 165 million bears. Basing it on the previous numbers, that would bring us up to a bit over 3,000 fatal bear attacks on women and a bit over 7,000 nonfatal bear attacks. So you're still more than twice as likely to be killed by a man and considerably more likely to be nonfatally attacked by a man.

 

If your point is that this is an impossible hypothetical, yeah it definitely is. At those numbers we would be competing with bears for resources and space way more, encountering them way more, and attack statistics would be different. But that's speculative and the data doesn't exist. Basing it on the real data we do have, you're less likely to be attacked by a bear.

 

Keeping in mind that bear attacks are pretty anomalous as well; the vast majority of bear encounters do not result in any violence. Of the ones that do, very few are a result of predatory violence. Usually it's the bear defending its cubs, food, what have you. If I encounter a bear in the woods, there's a good chance it's just going to take off.

 

Even if we're talking about rape (which, though horrible, is generally less bad than feeling your limbs ripped off and your guts spilled open by a bear as the life drains from your eyes), most of this is either at the hands of close relatives or under circumstances that, due to perverse social cues, the rapist has convinced his/her self that the act is justified and at least not entirely nonconsensual. For example, social cues which conflate going to a party with wanting to have sex with anyone available, of dates culminating in sex with the other subject of that date. None of these cues are present during a random encounter in the woods. Only the rare kind of person who would commit rape without any element of self-deception needed would do so. These people are a small minority of the population, so an average encounter in the woods with a strange man would have a lesser incidence of rape than the incidence of dying at the hands of a bear.

 

I'm sorry, Swag, but if I encounter a hostile bear I suffer for days, tops. If I encounter a malicious man, I could suffer for literally years, and in ways a bear could never imagine. There's nothing that could make me choose that, and I still don't get what's so hard to understand about this.

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Lol four replies. Guess I touched a nerve.

 

Idk why I'm answering this bc if I remember you from DART you're basically a ragebaiter, but what the hell.

 

It's not a bear vs you, sadpickle. It's a random bear vs a random man. You don't know who the man is in the hypothetical. You don't know if he's a benevolent forester or Ramsay Bolton. And most women are gonna choose the bear because encountering a man with ill intent alone in the middle of nowhere is one of our worst fears. If it was bear vs <insert good man you know> of course you'd pick the good man you know.

 

Statistically, we are just more likely to be killed by a man than a bear. Even if you adjusted for population – even if you put just as many bears as men in the country, we are still statistically more likely to be killed by men. And that's just talking about death. Not rape, torture, being stuck in a basement box for 10 years and forced to bear children in isolation, yada yada. All of these possibilities live in our collective subconscious. The worst a man can do to a woman is just way more horrifying than the worst a bear can do. So the way women answer this shouldn't be surprising, and also shouldn't hurt your feelings.

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Wryly · a year ago

Super glad, faux. Hope the physical therapy's not too painful.

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I started using the internet for videogame walkthroughs. I would get stuck and tear my hair out and my friends would send me links to walkthroughs someone had written in like a notepad document. This was like 2003?

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I should probably go first.

 

I was a pretty weird kid. Wouldn't let Mom put squished loaves of bread back on the shelf cuz I thought it would hurt their feelings. Had to blink every time the car passed a telephone pole. Was a big time maladaptive daydreamer.

 

Been really freaked out by spiders ever since I got put in timeout at 5 years old and a giant wolf spider started slowly creeping down the hall toward me. Mom thought I was lying to try to get out of timeout, so she didn't get up from the couch to kill it. I couldn't move from the spot (timeout) and spent minutes in terror as it came closer and closer, until finally she got up, saw it was real, and dropped a huge JC Penny catalogue on it.

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Thought this might be a way to get to know each other better. Share a story or factoid from your childhood. Can be something small or a whole story.