Wryly
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 11/11/2026 at 2:40 PM (post #46)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 12:35 PM (post #45)
Also, you can't just rage and whine and bullrush town at MYLO and expect everyone to see through it as clearly as Banana did. That's the kind of shit Mikal pulls when he's scum and trying to rush town off a cliff. Don't hand scum ammo like that. I get your impatience during DP3, but what good is it to solve the game if your behavior makes the holdout townie scumread you? Especially after you turbolynched a townie? You can't expect us to parse through your erraticness to get an accurate read on you every time.

tl;dr it wouldn't fucking kill you to exercise a modicum of self-control sometimes, wylted.
It was a long time ago but I remember getting this same lecture when I did the same thing in a lylo situation with buddamoose and FourTrouble. I was town and was throwing a temper tantrum that FT wasn’t insta hammering budda who was scum. It was obvious to me but he was trying to be thorough and I just kept pestering the shit out of him lol.


I mean I said "fuck you guys I was the Doctor" out of pure frustration so I'm being at least somewhat hypocritical here lol. But it's easy to lecture when you weren't in the LYLO hot seat :P

Wryly
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 2:57 PM (post #52)
Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.


But how does it even work? You get to pick which night your ability becomes active?

Wryly

Lessons I learned this game:


  1. I sus Pie and whiteflame too much by default. I should have doctored either of them NP1.
  2. For some reason other townies say "something seems off about Wryly" every goddamn game.
  3. I didn't sus Helz's TMI because it seemed too obvious. Sometimes what looks scummy is just scummy.
  4. Bafflingly, PGO is non-compulsive on other sites. How does that even work.
Wryly

Also, you can't just rage and whine and bullrush town at MYLO and expect everyone to see through it as clearly as Banana did. That's the kind of shit Mikal pulls when he's scum and trying to rush town off a cliff. Don't hand scum ammo like that. I get your impatience during DP3, but what good is it to solve the game if your behavior makes the holdout townie scumread you? Especially after you turbolynched a townie? You can't expect us to parse through your erraticness to get an accurate read on you every time.


tl;dr it wouldn't fucking kill you to exercise a modicum of self-control sometimes, wylted.

Wryly
Originally Posted by Helz on 11/11/2026 at 1:34 PM (post #40)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 12:28 PM (post #36)
You played incredibly well and I hope you don't take this loss as any failure on your part. I was screaming for town to listen to you DP3 lol. Noticing Helz's TMI about whiteflame's DP1 post, correctly deducing the scum team despite wylted hammering me, how sound your arguments were DP3 -- mad props.
You guys do realize it was not possible for me to have TMI on WF N1. I still do not know how everyone did not glance at that post and recognize the PR perspective it comes from.

Yes, it did play into the kill target but I am still struggling to understand how everyone else (especially post flip) did not pick up that it was a PR soft the second they saw it.

I agree Banana played well. I felt bad wolfing against them. But I always feel bad wolfing. Personal problem.


All whiteflame's post indicated was that his role and his character were weakly linked. He could have been Vanilla but given a poor role justification for Vanilla. Ditto for Hated, Popular, or any number of roles that are low-priority targets.

Wryly
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/11/2026 at 1:36 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 1:24 PM (post #34)
Putting me at L-1 was just incredibly unfortunate judgment, especially when wylted hadn't voted yet. You know wylted is an impulsive voter, you don't give him that much slack to fuck up. Him hammering me threw a monkey wrench into your ability to townread him at MYLO. Combined with the way he was bullying for a quick end to the DP it tipped you into a behavioral scumread that completely threw off your ability to correctly scumhunt.

Yeah, I had a post on that that DP and feel awful about it. I had to close out the app to get on the train and get my ticket out, and by the time I got it back out again I didn't realize the page I was looking at hadn't reloaded in almost two hours. I thought I was pressuring Mago to take a position on you and was only the second vote on your wagon. By the time I had finished walking to the office and settling in and could realize my mistake you were dead.


Ugh, town had so much bad luck this game.


Don't feel bad then. Shit happens.

Wryly
Originally Posted by Helz on 11/11/2026 at 12:42 PM (post #17)

Funny bits- Thoths initial plan of mass claim would have utterly destroyed the mafia. The flavor claim was tough to deal with and the Anti-claim was not that useful. Then the town was super packed with TPR to where other claims would hardly fit. And I do not know the sites meta which almost fucked me pretty good


I told y'all

Wryly

You played incredibly well and I hope you don't take this loss as any failure on your part. I was screaming for town to listen to you DP3 lol. Noticing Helz's TMI about whiteflame's DP1 post, correctly deducing the scum team despite wylted hammering me, how sound your arguments were DP3 -- mad props.

Wryly

Putting me at L-1 was just incredibly unfortunate judgment, especially when wylted hadn't voted yet. You know wylted is an impulsive voter, you don't give him that much slack to fuck up. Him hammering me threw a monkey wrench into your ability to townread him at MYLO. Combined with the way he was bullying for a quick end to the DP it tipped you into a behavioral scumread that completely threw off your ability to correctly scumhunt.

Wryly
I really expect you to flip scum.


I thought you were supposed to be good at this game.


Unless you're scum, in which case well done, wish I'd been on your team this game.

Wryly

My suspicion is Pie/someone, his vibes and reads seem off. That me/wylted POE seemed to come out of nowhere. Mago suddenly came back on out of the blue with a hard push on me, looks sus. Rex joining my wagon was very disappointing, I expect him to be more the voice of wise dissent as town. Not scumreading it, just a bummer. If he is scum, props to him for that fake claim. You and wylted could also easily be scum.

Wryly

With the Doc, Roleblocker, and Bus Driver gone, town's protection is gone. You're gonna have to lynch very well after this, which you probably won't if today is any indication, but maybe you'll surprise me and make mama proud.

Wryly

There was zero reason to scumread me to the point of lynching here, and doing it before I was back on to defend myself was just dumb. We had a whole day left to work on this. You did bad and you should feel bad. Jive ass fuckas.

Wryly

Surprised there's been so little movement since I last checked in. Note that Pie is now at L-2 so let's be careful here.


I want a claim from Mago and if we don't get one, we should just eliminate him.

Wryly
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/7/2026 at 8:40 PM (post #78)
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Anyone else getting odd vibes from Pie this game?


The Cheshire Cat of mafia isn't reading my posts

Wryly

I haven't posted reads because everyone has been null for me so far, but if you would like a further breakdown of null, here you go.


whiteflame -- While he was apparently townread last game, I saw nothing that tipped me one way or the other. He was cautious, analytical, weighed every sus carefully, and even before he VTL'd he reserved some doubts. All of this is NAI for him. I initially kicked around some speculation about whether his assertion that a mass claim was "game-breaking" indicated anything, as this seemed a little much, but even that was meh. scum!whiteflame doesn't go "omg no!" like that.


Thoth -- As much as everyone made a big fuss about him suggesting a mass claim and then not being the first to claim, it was unremarkable to me. He threw it out there and then wanted to discuss pros and cons, he wasn't flooring the gas on the suggestion. You don't volunteer your claim first if you think the mass claim might not go off anyway. When he was pressed to claim it was for derogatory reasons, so big whoop, he didn't immediately do it. What pushed me to a vote was the Bus Driver claim. It sounded suspicious and it was pretty much all I had to go on. As usual I also took the "but it's too swingy and town-sided!" arguments too seriously.


Helz -- Helz is always reading a lot into things that I just don't see, and he gets very focused on details and goes all in on his interpretations of them. Totally NAI. This detail-oriented nature can also make him highly critical of people who haven't given him many details to go on yet, so his current FOSes don't surprise me. I agree with Pie that his behavior this DP is a little too out there to be comfortably scumread. I've got a bit of a town lean on him now. This is subject to change.


Banana -- I like what I've seen from her so far and her reads have mirrored my own, but that is very often the case, even when she's scum, so I always need to take it with a big grain of salt. I've got no real reason to scumread her though. I like her activity and participation this DP. I don't really think Helz's interpretation of whiteflame's second post is super suspicious, more baffling than anything.


Pie -- As either town or scum Pie just goes after the weakest target DP1 and squeezes. Unless something more concrete develops, town usually just follows along since it's the path of least resistance. Totally NAI for him. I fully admit I have Pie!anoia, as if Pie is scum and town isn't super active, that's just gg. There's no chance. In a low-activity game Pie is usually posting a lot, voicing impatience with town for being inactive, and I just haven't seen that from him this game, so my eyebrow is raised. If he's scum it would make sense to be less active than usual DP1, get rid of whiteflame, then dominate the conversation later. But this could all just be muh Pie!anoia, so meh.


Rex -- Sporadic posting: NAI. Goes along with the LHF wagon on Thoth: NAI. Thinks the mass claim is dumb: NAI. Doesn't fall for the obvious RT: NAI. Argues Thoth's role is too late-game swingy to be real: NAI. He's a town lean because of the Miller claim, that's it.


wylted -- He was pretty gung-ho for the mass claim, but when isn't wylted an impulsive dice-roller. He talked too much about which roles indicate which characters than I would like when scum have the list they have, but when isn't wylted an impulsive talker. Jumped on Helz pretty fast for the odd interpretation of whiteflame's second post, but when isn't wylted an impulsive voter.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Helz on 11/7/2026 at 3:11 AM (post #46)
I am not following.

Scum were given 4 characters with 2 being in the game. Sure.

From an actor with 57 films. How is that not 2 out of 57 chance of helping them?


They could definitely just make up their own fake characters from any of his movies, but if they can eliminate the two real characters from the list they get two fake claims they know are safe.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Helz on 11/7/2026 at 2:57 AM (post #40)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 1:48 AM (post #39)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/7/2026 at 2:16 AM (post #33)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 12:53 AM (post #31)
So there's a 2 out of 7 chance scum just got one or more characters on their fake claim list crossed off with those two flips. Odds are still good that if we press someone for a claim it could put scum on the spot. And this time, we need to be sure that whoever we decide to lynch we get a character claim from.
Was this a TMI slip?
Do you have a finite amount of films in the list to know what is possible that you can explain? This seems like a very strange assertion

(Again to over explain)
For Wryly to take the logic jump to say its specifically 2/7 chance of a fake claim list getting removed it would suggest they know what the odds of included movies are. I did glance through D1 on what Jim Carry films existed and it was a total mess. A ton were cameos and weird support role projects. Even roughly skimming the top films I rarely found a role that was a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' or anything else I could see as a split.

My thinking here boils down to how it would be remotely possible to designate the ratio of a fake claim list without more information than I was given as a player. This is a red flag.

There were 7 town players and 2 just flipped, so there is a 2 out of 7 chance they were on the fake claim list Lunatic gave scum. I suppose it might be more accurate to say they each had a 1 out of 7 chance of being on the list, but what have you.
Why 7/2?
Jim Carry has been in 57 films. If I were to quantify the likelihood of the anticlaim being touched before considering the films he was in and what would be valid for something in this game it would not be that simple targeting flavor. You are behaving as if you thought he only acted in as many films as we have players which makes me wonder if you got some sorta list of what films exist that I did not.


Scum were given a list of 4 characters, 2 of which are already in the game and 2 of which are not. They need to know which 2 of the 4 are already in the game, and Thoth and whiteflame's flips have a 2 out of 7 chance of helping them toward that goal.

Wryly

I think Helz being defensive and myopic about details is NAI, but I'll need to read his posts more thoroughly in the morning and respond properly.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Helz on 11/7/2026 at 2:16 AM (post #33)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/7/2026 at 12:53 AM (post #31)
So there's a 2 out of 7 chance scum just got one or more characters on their fake claim list crossed off with those two flips. Odds are still good that if we press someone for a claim it could put scum on the spot. And this time, we need to be sure that whoever we decide to lynch we get a character claim from.
Was this a TMI slip?
Do you have a finite amount of films in the list to know what is possible that you can explain? This seems like a very strange assertion

(Again to over explain)
For Wryly to take the logic jump to say its specifically 2/7 chance of a fake claim list getting removed it would suggest they know what the odds of included movies are. I did glance through D1 on what Jim Carry films existed and it was a total mess. A ton were cameos and weird support role projects. Even roughly skimming the top films I rarely found a role that was a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' or anything else I could see as a split.

My thinking here boils down to how it would be remotely possible to designate the ratio of a fake claim list without more information than I was given as a player. This is a red flag.


There were 7 town players and 2 just flipped, so there is a 2 out of 7 chance they were on the fake claim list Lunatic gave scum. I suppose it might be more accurate to say they each had a 1 out of 7 chance of being on the list, but what have you.

Wryly

So there's a 2 out of 7 chance scum just got one or more characters on their fake claim list crossed off with those two flips. Odds are still good that if we press someone for a claim it could put scum on the spot. And this time, we need to be sure that whoever we decide to lynch we get a character claim from.

Wryly
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/7/2026 at 12:59 AM (post #26)
maybe i am barking up the wrong tree here. did anyone else think whiteflames post 2 was a strong case for him being a pr?


Not at all, no. Other than being resistant to the mass claim I don't recall him ever signalling a PR role, which he would be silly to do anyway unless there was some gain in it (I see none with his role). His resistance to a mass claim isn't even much indication of a PR. He could easily have been against it because he thought it would be bad for town as a whole, and other people were against it too -- Pie, Helz, Mago was hesitant. Other than being a little iffy on wylted, he didn't hard sus anyone, either. Only reason I can see for the NK is a fearkill. Personally, I would've killed Pie first.

Wryly
Originally Posted by wylted on 11/6/2026 at 8:07 PM (post #11)
rex is town otherwise he would have fell for that.

who we lynching.

let's determine who is least white and move on from the. everyone post feet pics of themselves


It was a transparent reaction test my dude, you've done it before. Anyway, it should be Pie obviously, scum would've NK'd him first if he was town.


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