VTL: Thoth
VTL: Thoth
I'll give it another 15 min and vote, though I don't expect to see much new movement.
I should have pressed him for a character claim before now.
Pie's participation feels a bit reduced to me this game. He's usually very motivated as town. Debating whether this really is due to depression about the midterm results, or that's just an effective excuse for spotty posting DP1.
Can you answer #219 plz
If you're awake, you might as well tell us your character. If you're town, scum will see it tomorrow anyway.
Just woke up. I guess I'm voting Thoth. Just not a good case to make for anyone else beyond vibes. If it ends up being a mislynch we're getting rid of a role that could've had a lot of negative utility to town anyway.
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 11/5/2026 at 12:24 AM (post #216)
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/4/2026 at 8:34 PM (post #206)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 11/4/2026 at 7:17 PM (post #202)
Originally Posted by Banana on 11/4/2026 at 8:13 PM (post #200)
yeah on second thought i dont think thoth would claim bus driver like that hmm
He’s claimed various outlandish stuff before if my memory serves correct
yeah but bus driver isnt outlandish, its straight a scum role. by outlandish i would think maybe some off kilter role that he thought would be obscure. do u think bus driver is in that category
It’s not a straight scum role. People including myself have used it as a town role. But think of it this way. What’s the point of Luna giving town a Bus Driver, especially when significantly more often than not, it’s going to harm town. The logical option for a Town BD would be to just waive till later in the game. It has massive utility for scum.
I would've liked to hear before now that you knew of precedent for a town BD. But if you used it in one of your games, then I wouldn't mind you answering your own question. What was the point of you giving town a BD?
Ah, Pie already said like Masons for instance. Hadn't reread that far.
Aside from Rex and Thoth, basically all I have to go on for anyone else is vibes, and I really hate going on vibes. I always sus whiteflame and Pie, so I don't trust my gut on either of them. There's not much to go on for Helz or Mago, and wylted is eh. I have a good feeling about Nana but I always have a good feeling about Nana.
Why am I being scumread this time?
We should get a counter-wagon started. Who's everyone second sus?
Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/4/2026 at 7:17 PM (post #193)
Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/4/2026 at 2:11 PM (post #157)
Alas for the lost records.
I been tried to told y'all to back DART Mafia up
Hey, I stressed that we back up DART mafia almost as passionately as I stressed that someone other than me should do it.
Lunaric just confirmed to me that scum were given no fake role claims.
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/4/2026 at 4:40 PM (post #177)
Town busdriver also makes a game this small incredibly swingy.
DP1 5:2
Lynch
NP1 5:1 - at this point the BD has a 1/6 chance of busdriving the remaining scum and the NK ending the game
NK
DP2 4:1
Mislynch
NP2 3:1 - at this point the BD has 1 1/3 chance of busdriving the last scum and the kill target, ending the game
If the busdriver survives the game becomes incredibly risky for scum. If they have some strong counter to the role it's pointless as a town role. It's different than the redirector because the reditector has to manipulate actions in the right direction, essentially doubling the odds for scum. If they redirect the NK target to the surviving scum, it doesn't end the game. All the busdriver has to do is target both the target and the killer and it doesn't matter, the game is over.
Possibly why town Bus Drivers are rare.
Lol did I ask twice? My bad. Thank u for the reads.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/4/2026 at 5:03 PM (post #181)
can someone bring me up to speed I’ll try to read this later, how much time is there left?
Rex claimed Miller and whether or not that should be townread is being debated. As you know, Thoth pushed for a mass role claim that met with lukewarm response, despite the fact that if I had god-like powers I would have pushed it through just to see what happened. He's being sussed for spearheading the mass claim but hesitating to role claim himself. He's now claimed he's a town Bus Driver.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/4/2026 at 5:02 PM (post #180)
Originally Posted by Wryly on 04/11/2026 at 22:02 (post #174)
^ u
Sorry, I’ll try to be more active the upcoming days. I’m tired as fuck, worked 7 days in a row and now I’m back at it again.. had a day off two days ago. Just be kind pls
Aw, take it easy man. That's rough.
^ u
wya
My first instinct would be to press for a full claim with an iffy role like that, but in these circumstances that may hurt us more than it helps.
Not Strengthener whoops lol
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 11/4/2026 at 3:10 PM (post #155)
Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/4/2026 at 2:50 PM (post #152)
And now I dive into the records to see if there has ever been a town Bus Driver.
I think I recall one, but it's way back, like late DDO/early DART.
Alas for the lost records.
The only Bus Drivers I can find were in Ranger's Apprentice mafia and Andor mafia. Scum roles both time. This in itself isn't evidence of guilt; I merely take note that it is a manipulative role that I've never seen given to town, and should be treated like Redirector or Strengthener: something that could potentially just be scum passing off their real role as a town role.
And now I dive into the records to see if there has ever been a town Bus Driver.
Lol not a good look
Also, even if it hadn't been a fake claim provided by the moderator, it was wylted, and wylted does dumb shit. Rex is a different animal.