Wryly

Helz wrote:

Wryly wrote:

All right. We're at 4-2-1 right now. My powers are spent. Lynch me first, it will confirm my results. We'll still be at 3 town, 2 scum, 1 3P tomorrow. When I asked Lunatic if a 3P would count as town or scum for parity, he told me he usually counts 3P as town; confirm this with him yourself.

VTL: Wryly

Can you please unpack your actions and why you targeted who?

I think you are more likely town than Rex.

The only ability that let me target anyone was the NP2 ability I used, character cop. As I've already stated, I targeted Rex because I thought Canadians sounded like a lie.

NP1: Unlocked a Virgin

NP2: Unlocked a Character Cop

NP3: Unlocked a Commuter

NP4: Unlocked a DP1 Sensor

Vote me.

All right. We're at 4-2-1 right now. My powers are spent. Lynch me first, it will confirm my results. We'll still be at 3 town, 2 scum, 1 3P tomorrow. When I asked Lunatic if a 3P would count as town or scum for parity, he told me he usually counts 3P as town; confirm this with him yourself.

VTL: Wryly

*facepalm*

I am at a loss for words at how blind you all are.

whiteflame wrote:

Mikal wrote:

Can we stop baiting now. We have the solve lol

It does seem pretty obvious to me, but I want Rex to get in here and explain himself first.

My god. Are you actually considering this?

VTL: MeowMix

It's baffling to me that anyone could still be buying what Mikal is selling, but we don't even need to get into it this DP. Let's go for MeowMix and see how Mikal takes it.

whiteflame wrote:

So that would make Rex or Mikal scum, correct?

Affirmative.

Mikal wrote:

Wf protected me and there was no nk

Pie watched me and saw rex and castin visit me

mason chat has known this. Im a master universal joat. Once per night I can pick any 2 actions from any list of mafia roles in the internet and use them both. Ive been using the mason. Last night I motivated myself and copped rex and castin guilty. Gg let's move this along.

Lmao

I doubt you were, unfortunately.

Ability paraphrase:

The + represents a catch-all of inclusion. Anyone who wants to join your community is welcome to. Why the hell not? Everyone is in your group, including the group that voted on the DP1 lynch. You get to sensor it to see how many mafia it included. Inclusion!

Result: Two mafia were on Kohai's wagon.

Kohai (7/7): Mikal, RexFavilla, Thoth, Helz, Ultracrepidarian, Banana, wylted

whiteflame wrote:

Well, second time in a row I protected Mikal and there was no NK. Can't imagine scum passed on another opportunity to end the game.

Well I guess not.

wtf

I'M ALIVE LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

whiteflame was that you boi ❤️

#445

Hard to believe black people weren't in the game, but I cannot fault the wagonomics.

MeowMix wrote:

You didn't scumread me before today at all. In fact, I'd wager you townread me.

I already told you I townread your mercurial playstyle. But I explained in #460 and #443 why that changed.

MeowMix wrote:

I just self voted as a town cop, vote me.

I feel like you've given up arguing for your innocence honestly.

I meant I'm perfectly willing to hammer Ultra and end the DP, if no one has any objections. But I guess now we wait for Rex.

VTL: Ultracrepidarian

Well, I'm perfectly willing to end your misery for this DP at least, if no one has any objections.

MeowMix wrote:

what does that even mean

if I was scum, what would that possibly do in my favor. and if you are pairing me and ultra as scum, it would make zero sense for me to bus him here. i would be throwing the game because I'd just die tomorrow.

I was speculating that it was a last-ditch "look, why would I do this as scum" fake-out.

Didn't you say you agreed that Ultra is likely scum or something

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: Ultracrepidarian

Pull the trigger. And when he flips town, I want you to remember that you are fucking idiots for not believing me.

Is this like a gambit to make us hesitate

I'm down with an Ultra vote if it clears you for town.

whiteflame wrote:

Fair take. I balance them a little differently because Meow is so new to the site and it's harder to read him behaviorally, since he seems willing to just go off and do his own thing on a whim. Ultra's absence is more clearly behaviorally damning since his absence is a large part of why attention has consistently been drawn elsewhere. Don't tend to scumread lack of interaction, but this is excessive.

I initially townread his whimsy, and the fact that he told me to vote Mikal DP2. But after he told me everything he does is deliberate, I reconsidered. His votes were only ever on Kohai, me, Rex, and wylted. Three people I know are town and one I strongly believe is.

I remain confused as to which mechanic is the lie, since the flips so far seem to indicate 2 is the lie and the presence of fake claims indicates 3 is the lie.

MeowMix wrote:

If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

First target. Why do you keep saying second target.

Because it was the second one you revealed, I suppose.

ILikePie5 wrote:

The idea is that solving Ultra solves the 50/50 between REF and Meow. Both believe that Ultra is scum, so logically both would be bussing their partner. We know based on wagonomics that if Ultra was town, the lynch should’ve gone through especially with WF (who is at worse a TP) and Wylted on the wagon. I know I’m town, so that’s 3. 4th is REF, who you believe is town. Scum had the opportunity to use their leverage and hammer there, which no one would’ve faulted, but they didn’t, unless Ultra is scum.

If Ultra flips scum, REF is basically confirmed town and we lynch Meow, no questions asked

All right, this makes sense to me. I really loathe passing over the scummate who will be around to use his power tonight for the scummate who almost certainly wouldn't be around to use his, but I can't fault this logic.

whiteflame wrote:

I’m fine with letting this discussion play out so I won’t post a vote just yet. That being said, both Ultra and Meow are scum from where I’m sitting by a combination of POE and a lot of problems with both their claims. I get Wryly’s point about Meow in particular, but as I called out as the reason I was VTLing Ultra in DP2, it’s not just an issue of a bland claim and lack of presence in this and the previous DP. Ultra’s Vanilla claim isn’t the problem, it’s the specifics beyond that. No one else has claimed a generation subset as their character, posting an AI-generated version that conspicuously lacked text present in everyone else’s Vanilla justification, and then justifying it by saying that he fed it random pieces of his PM that conveniently excluded it. Dude doesn’t have a lot of posts to read, but a lot of them stand out, as does his almost complete lack of reads in the two DPs he showed up for.

I had forgotten that and I take your point. I don't think the generation outlier is conclusive, but the lack of Lunatician vanilla wording was conspicuous. Still not as much as we have on MeowMix imo.

What exactly is the holdup on MeowMix? In what way does Ultra seem a higher priority lynch here? If he's scum, he's not even active. But we all agree MeowMix's claim smells bad. We all seem to find it suspicious that his second target was whiteflame, a point he has only weakly engaged and for the most part avoided. He even stalled when pressed on which claim of whiteflame's he had chosen. My character cop shows Rex is Canadians. No one has made an effective case for how my cop was interfered with or why I am scum.

What do we have on Ultra? He's been inactive, his claim is bland, his posts have been lackluster. The strongest indicator to me is that the people in my POE have avoided targeting him even though he's easy meat, but the rest of you don't even share that POE. I don't think these evidence piles are equal. I think MeowMix's is bigger.

If we suspect both of these people, we should target active scum over inactive scum. Doing otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

You've pulled that before i'm afraid.

Let me get done and at my computer.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Wryly wrote:

"I can prove myself tomorrow" is a refrain that has no credit with you. I want your claim now. We all claimed except you. Meet me in the middle here man. That you're not even gonna tell Helz until night phase is troubling in itself. Does this mean you haven't claimed to Mikal or whiteflame?

Not tomorrow, tonight in my Mason chat with Helz. Yes I haven’t claimed yet per Helz’s wishes. I offered to claim whenever he wanted me to

Tonight as in after the day phase is over?

As for Ultra, it's conspicuous to me that neither MeowMix or Mikal ever went for him even though he's LHF. I mean wylted was a target that would at least fight back. So I think he's scum. That doesn't mean I'm positive, and my point that I want his dead weight on the scum team stands.

"I can prove myself tomorrow" is a refrain that has no credit with you. I want your claim now. We all claimed except you. Meet me in the middle here man. That you're not even gonna tell Helz until night phase is troubling in itself. Does this mean you haven't claimed to Mikal or whiteflame?