Wryly

Oh right, I should vote.

VTL Pie

Fuck it, we don’t have time. I am CCing Wryly. I am the 1x Bulletproof. My justification is that I was the only one to survive a car crash and fated to be an orphan

VTL Wryly

wtf It's you? Holy shit I would never have the balls to do this lol.

Then why the fuck didn't you speak up when whiteflame said Vader is sus because no one else has an x-shot? You just agreed with him.

What even is this? Did you finally realize you weren't gonna pull off the Vader lynch and would get rolecopped after all, so you're kamikazeing or something??

See here’s the thing: there’s no guarantee that he redirected Mikal to Mharman1. What if he never redirected Mikal? What if he redirected me to Mikal? Cause Supa claimed AFTER Mikal said he Inspected me. That would give the exact same result.

Jeezy. Ok, I need to take some Tylenol and ibuprofen and come back to this in an hour.

Have you full claimed yet?

I have a 1x Bulletproof because my character was saved from a cruel fate by a magic girl's wish.

Thoth said he had at one point considered putting Kyosuke in the game as Hated Vanilla because the fanbase hates him. That would've been the real cruel fate for me, I think.

Who’s your second vote

I'm thinking

I must've missed something. You're concerned that Pie is paired with the dude he's tunneling?

Let me flip this on you: what are the exact reasons you townread Supa?

This was in #177 as well no one is reading my newsletters <sadface>

Mechanically I think all we really have to go on right now is that Mikal said he saw someone visit Pie and Vader says he visited Pie when he redirected. These are the only claims that are verified by other claims. Also, nothing seemed to happen to Pie or Mag1c, so if Vader is lying about Redirector, exactly what scum ability did he use when he visited?

Might as well make it official.

VTL Rex

Yeah that one was compelling, but it would be doing the dude a disservice to say he's incapable of a good act.

Why Rex?

See #177

Consider my vote parked on Rex.

I don't want to jump to that conclusion. They did have a discussion about it, one we did not witness, and it's quite possible that Pie came away from it with the interpretation there would be custom roles in Thoth's next game.

REF can’t be OG scum because he’s the only claimed custom role and Thoth explicitly told me he’d include a custom role cause only Luna does it

I asked Thoth about this. He told me that while he thinks he did mention custom roles to you in a discussion a few months ago, it was before he ever thought of the Madoka theme. He did not confirm to me that custom roles are in this game in particular. So your reason for eliminating Rex from POE doesn't hold up.

So it sounds like your FOS on Vader really comes down to this Redirector and whether it's too much complication for Thoth. I feel like that's pretty open to argument. Balance and modding are where I'm weakest so I will grant that I don't have the best perspective on this, but Thoth has already put in a recruitment mechanic, hidden abilities, and a risen witch mechanic. Look how many roles he's willing to juggle. Is a Redirector + Doctor + Ascetic really too much sweat for him.

I'm totally confused why Vader is a candidate for OG scum?

Reads:

Kohai - As I said, he's either town or his scummate is furious. He's been pointing fingers all over the place and jumping at shadows. He's actually at the bottom of my POE for now because I just don't see how he behaves like this under guidance.

Whiteflame - Lean town. Some of Thoth's answers concerning Ascetic are encouraging, if not conclusive, and he was the first to claim after Kohai. Yes, he could've been given a fake claim, but I just don't see Homura not being in the game.

Mag1c - Town pile. His results and Vader's seem to cross verify. Like his behavior so far.

Vader - Town pile. Again seems to be cross-verified by Mag2c nee Mikal nee Casey. Mikal saw someone visiting Pie and Vader would have visited Pie when he redirected. This may be the strongest verification on anything we have so far, and would be undermined only by Mag2c and Vader being scummates, which I don't see. "We will not be lynching Vader" is not something you say about your scummate.

Rex - I said Rex always seems sus to me and that's no different now. His role claim just sounds fake to me and I can't shake it. I had to really press him for answers I would've expected him to be freer with as town. His character is an adult and based on what little I know I would expect her to be unrecruitable as well because of it, but that may just be expecting too much thematic correctness. Contract Cop seems weighted in favor of scum because the Cop can just accept the contract and now you have a crooked cop who can incriminate the innocent. My gut wants Rex to be our lynch target this DP.

Pie - Uncertain. Kind of suspicious that he's coming after Vader all the sudden, really triggering my paranoia that Vader is scum's randomly chosen target this DP. Not sure what to make of Pie's reluctance to role claim but kind of encouraged by his invitation to be rolecopped. Either he's on the up and up or scum have gotten a power which can fuck with rolecop.

We are not lynching Vader this DP.

Kohai, Pie, or Rex.

I’ll think on my preferences, but I’ll be fine with any of the three.

I think I am in agreement with this. These are the only 3 I don't have a good town lean on. I'll think on it more tomorrow and discuss my reads more thoroughly.

Pie inviting a rolecop is a point in his favor, I suppose, since it was stated that hidden abilities such as those granted to the recruit by Kyubey would show up in investigative results.

Assuming town gets it, whoever gets it selects the Role Cop, they decide to use it on you, and scum don't interfere with it or kill them.

And assuming Pie is not himself the target who could inherit the ability, in which case he could hardly rolecop himself.

Danke. I was kind of hoping the role only told you if someone successfully accepted the contract, but alas. That would've been too easy.

The role PM simply implied the existence of a recruitment contract that players could either accept or decline. I figured that it would be unbalanced for more than one player to accept. The main utility that my role has is catching someone out in a lie. I did not want anyone to be wise to that, otherwise they would not feel comfortable lying, their guard would be up. So, I goaded Kohai in other ways once he wasn't being forthcoming, and I wanted to get one more shot fired off on someone else who claimed not to have accepted before I claimed and made myself a target. When I prodded Thoth on Kyubey once people who know the theme better than me had explained it, he was a bit cagey, only saying that there were certain players that it would fail on. I imagine he didn't want to reveal too much theme info DP1, he mostly limited his answers to mechanical ones about how my role would get various results. Once you claimed I figured you might be one of them and I'm guessing that Kyubey might be another.

What did Thoth say happens if you cop Kyubey? What were your results on Kohai NP1?

These are great questions. And @ref why wouldn’t you warn us about the contract before going into n1

I assume because it might have given away too much about his role, making him a target.

So you knew straight out of the gate that there was a contract mechanic involved because of your role. I assume DP1 you were pumping Thoth for details. What contract? Who gives it? What happens if I target Kyubey? Will my role even work NP1 or do players not count as recruited until NP2 because the recruitment counts as an NP1 action? Would like to know what Thoth's answers were.

Kind of have a hard time believing that Kohai's scummate would let him play it like he has. Feel like either he's town or his scummate is furious lol.

I have an x-shot. He wouldn't be the only one.

Claiming Sayaka 2x Redirector DP2 seems like a risky claim for scum. Even if scum were given Sayaka as a fake claim, claiming Redirector seems ballsy since it could potentially be disproven. Unless he was fake claiming Sayaka but straight claiming Redirector. But that wouldn't address your skepticism with Redirector even being in the game.

My head's pounding. I'm signing off for today.

If Rex is telling the truth, it seems like he's now a leading scum target, and our doctor is dead. If he's lying, contract cop seems like a great fake claim, allowing you to guide suspicion away from the real recruit. Either way, I'm not happy.

This whole setup and the moving parts involved seems like a headache to me; i don't think Thoth is afraid of complexity, including managing doctors, inspectors, and redirectors.

Lol neat.

I guess we should be on the lookout for players who are suddenly keen on VTLing someone in particular

No, he made it clear he was busy and only subbed in to keep the game going when no one else was available.

Don't really feel up to doing much rn except waiting for claims. @ me if you need me.

No not the doctor, I need him to protect my tender unrecruitable ass.

I have come down with something and my head feels like it has been pumped full of hot glue, so if possible I may be an even weaker player.

I'm Kyosuke btw.

Not to brag but people have always said my ignorance is within the range of believability.