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**A Smarter Path to Fiscal Discipline: Linking Spending to GDP**

America’s federal budget process has become a cycle of chaos—annual debt ceiling standoffs, partisan brinkmanship, and short-term fixes that ignore the structural problems underneath. A better approach is to **tie federal spending to the size of the economy** itself.

Under this plan, **Congress would set every major category of discretionary spending**—defense, infrastructure, education, welfare, and so forth—as a **fixed percentage of GDP**, rather than an arbitrary dollar amount. For example, defense spending might be set at 4% of GDP, and it would automatically scale as the economy grows.

This framework would maintain a **balanced budget by design**, ensuring that government spending grows no faster than the economy that supports it.

### **Built-In Flexibility**

Of course, no formula can anticipate every circumstance. Congress should retain the authority to **override the GDP rule on a case-by-case basis**, such as during wars, recessions, or natural disasters. But by default, spending would stay in sync with the nation’s productive capacity.

This balance between **discipline and flexibility** would end the recurring debt ceiling crises that destabilize financial markets and erode public trust.

### **What About Recessions?**

Critics might object that GDP contracts during recessions, forcing automatic spending cuts. In practice, this effect would be modest. Even during the Great Recession, GDP fell by only about **5%**, meaning a 5% temporary cut—not catastrophic.

In extreme downturns, like the Great Depression’s 30% collapse, Congress could simply use its emergency authority to **temporarily exceed the GDP rule** and stimulate recovery. This model doesn’t handcuff policymakers—it simply forces **intentionality** and **transparency** in deficit spending.

### **Why Social Security and Healthcare Should Be Exempt**

Two major spending categories—**Social Security and healthcare**—should remain **outside** this GDP-based cap. These programs are unique because their costs depend on demographics, prior borrowing, and promises made decades ago.

Right now, Washington’s accounting system **pits essential programs against each other**. For example, to “save” Social Security, lawmakers may cut food assistance or housing aid—forcing a false moral choice between supporting seniors and feeding children. That’s a broken structure, not a moral dilemma.

Social Security should stand on its own balance sheet. Its looming shortfall—projected to reduce benefits to 80% by 2033—deserves an honest, separate debate. Possible fixes include:

* Modestly raising payroll taxes on higher earners

* Gradually increasing the retirement age

* Adjusting benefits for wealthier retirees

* Or a balanced mix of all three

Similarly, **healthcare spending** should be treated as its own long-term challenge, with reform driven by cost efficiency and demographic trends, not annual budget negotiations.

### **The Goal: Stability, Fairness, and Accountability**

This GDP-linked budget rule would restore **fiscal sanity** without sacrificing economic agility. It would end the recurring hostage crises over the debt ceiling, promote predictability in federal planning, and create a transparent link between **national prosperity and national spending**.

By carving out Social Security and healthcare for separate, long-term reform, Congress could finally confront those programs on their own merits—without raiding or sacrificing other priorities.

This is the kind of **realistic, bipartisan solution** America needs: disciplined, flexible, and grounded in both economics and common sense.

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### **A Smarter Alternative to Student Loans: Income-Based Education Contributions**

Instead of relying on traditional student loans, graduates should pay a fixed percentage of their income—say **5% to 10% annually for ten years**—as an education contribution. There would be **no loans, interest, or debt collection**, just a clear future payment schedule tied to income. The government could estimate the net present value of those future payments and fund colleges upfront, recovering the funds later through the tax system.

This approach aligns the incentives of **students, schools, and society** far better than the current model. Colleges would have a direct financial stake in ensuring that their graduates are **economically viable**, since the government’s payments to schools would depend on graduates’ real-world success. As a result, universities would be motivated to focus more on **practical education** and less on unnecessary coursework or inflated program lengths.

At the same time, the government could still require a small set of **foundational courses**—basic psychology, sociology, science, math, writing, and reading—to ensure that all graduates possess a well-rounded general education. But beyond that, institutions would have the flexibility to streamline degrees for efficiency and employability.

This model also encourages **shared responsibility**: students still “chip in” for their own education through their future earnings, which resonates with conservative values of accountability and self-reliance. Meanwhile, progressives can support it for its fairness—those who earn more contribute more, while those with lower incomes aren’t crushed by debt.

Over time, the system would **self-correct**. Programs that consistently produce low-earning graduates would receive less funding, prompting universities either to improve those programs or scale them back. In turn, high-performing programs would thrive, creating a natural feedback loop between educational value and economic outcome.

For example, a humanities degree might remain viable for top-performing students with exceptional talent or drive, but schools would no longer be rewarded for enrolling unqualified students into costly programs that yield poor job prospects. This isn’t punitive—it simply ensures that resources are invested where they produce meaningful returns for both the student and society.

The result would be a more **rational, results-driven education system**—one that balances personal freedom, economic realism, and social fairness.

Ultimately, proposals like this are the kind of **concrete, policy-focused solutions** that Washington should be pursuing. Bureaucracy and politics have distracted us from pragmatic reform. It’s time to rebuild education financing around **outcomes, responsibility, and opportunity** rather than debt.

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Here are some survey results about how scientists report voting or political preferences, especially toward Donald Trump. The numbers vary depending on how “scientist” is defined and which survey is being asked. ([GenomeWeb][1])

## Key findings

* A **2020 Nature** survey of ~900 of its readers (many scientists) found about **8%** supported Trump, while **86%** favored Joe Biden. ([GenomeWeb][1])

* A survey by the Union of Concerned Scientists Scientific Network (UCSSN) found that in the 2016 election, **89%** of those scientists surveyed voted for Hillary Clinton, and only **1%** voted for Trump. ([Scientific American][2])

* More recently, a Nature-poll of about 2,000 scientists showed only **6%** support for Trump, with 86% favoring Kamala Harris (in the context of the 2024 election). ([Science Times][3])

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## Rough summary

Putting it all together, a fair estimate is that **somewhere around 5-10%** of scientists surveyed in recent U.S. polls say they would vote for or support Donald Trump, with a much larger fraction supporting Democratic candidates, at least in the surveys publicly reported.

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It’s hard to say precisely, but according to a 2024 survey of U.S. college faculty, only 8 percent said they planned to vote for Donald Trump. (Inside Higher Ed)

GUN SCIENCE

-where there is more gun control, there is less murder. this is the scientific consensus, as shown with the literature review. being a literature review makes this a lot more informing than just being a single study; we see the consensus forming. also included is a link to a poll of scientists but a literature review itself makes the claims even stronger.

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11120184/gun-control-study-international-evidence

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-oe-hemenway-guns-20150423-story.html

-where there are more guns, there is more murder, across geographic regions from localities and larger. this is also a lot more informing because it a literature review of lots of studies. what's more, people are shown not to kill with other weopons instead of guns, as is often argued, because if they did there would be no correlation here.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

-women are five times more likely to be killed if their significant other has a gun. this is a practical point in illustration of the guns v murders correlation. same in individual lives as general trends

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447915/

-you are more likely to be murdered if you have a gun, as well as those close to you

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858

-States with more gun control have fewer mass shootings

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/433017-states-with-stricter-gun-control-regulations-have-fewer-mass?fbclid=IwAR0f5l5eW7d-rX4ZoE8R2MOe6VBvLJVrfQQRFwd2b7anlBIM_wgsYYx-uQk

-only around two hundred and fifty killings are done in the name of self defense per year. people like to pretend defense is such a huge thing, but the odds of being murdered is is closer to forty times higher. the odds of being shot and not necessarily killed are upwards of four hundred times higher. 

-we have half the worlds guns in the usa but a small percent of the worlds population

-Police are more likely to kill unjustifiably in low gun control and high gun areas due to their increased fear, and police are more likely to be shot themselves in those areas.

http://justicenotjails.org/police-shootings-gun-problem/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/more-guns-more-dead-cops-study-finds-n409356​

-Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries

-High school kids in the USA are eighty two times more likely to be shot than the same kids in other developed countries.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0767

-states with more gun control have fewer youth who die from guns

​https://abc30.com/5396718/?ex_cid=TA_KFSN_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d2d172f8e73cc000164c229&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2T40EdBsGdPZk_VCL8Bi5RDJsNtpF2Ud9NIYiB74njS72zrcqudw1idWY

-it is claimed that most murders are gang related, but this looks to be factually incorrect in the link. even if higher numbers floating around on the internet are true, our murder problem still there if you take out the gang murders from consideration. the numbers here can be arrived at with basic math. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.html

-this really isn't just a mental health problem. we don't have more people with mental health problems than other countries.... just more people with guns. the study controls for mental health factors v other factors. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/9/16618472/mental-illness-gun-homicide-mass-shootings?fbclid=IwAR3nS6e4bHyakjB-_GkXvWZKNqnWfDfx-LwBVnuAUXewEzgB_7AnMGdgXVk#

-we dont have more crime than the rest of the world, just a lot more people getting shot and killed. you aren't more likely to be mugged here, for instance, but you are more likely to be mugged and shot in the process. again a gun problem. showing it's not just deviants being deviants as some suggest but an emphasis on the gun problem.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe

-You can tell this is a gun problem, not just a bad person problem as the gun lobby says, also by comparing non-gun homicides of similar countries as the USA, and then adding guns to the mix: non-gun homicides are slightly on the higher side but within normal range, while gun homicides go wildly higher. If this was a bad person problem at its core, there would be a wildly higher amount of non-gun homicides as well, but that's not the case. Included is an article describing this phenomenon and a link with a picture. 

https://i.imgur.com/skcT8qr.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/gunpolitics/comments/71n1u2/gunnongun_homicide_rates_in_oecd_countries_for/

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/canada-gun-control-debate/566102/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_term=2018-07-28T09%3A00%3A12

​-people like to say assault rifles are not that dangerous, because there are only a few hundred murders with them per year out of only around ten or so thousand of gun murders. the thing is though, the percent chance an assault rifle will be used to kill someone is significantly higher than the chance other guns will be used to kill someone. ///  you can do the math yourself. there are 2.5 million assault rifles in circulation. 374 rifle deaths per year. there are 11000 gun homicides. there's a gun for every person in the usa, 340 million. what's the math say? 374 divided by 11000 is 3.4 percent of deaths are from rifles. 2.5 milliion divided by 340 milliion is less than a percent. so what does this mean? despite rifles being less than a percent of guns, they cause 3.4 percent of deaths. that is, a rifle has a higher percent chance of being used to murder than a non rifle. most guns that are used in murder are hand guns, but assault rifles are more likely to be chosen over a hand gun when faced with that choice. just like, as an analogy, people are more likely to speed in a sports car, but most cars that speed are not sports cars.  

-people like to throw around number of defensive gun use. the idea is that not all defensive gun uses result in a killing. the most common number in literature is tens of thousands, though the number vary wildly. the only thing is, even if you are more likely to use a gun in self defense than being murdered, you are still more likely to be murdered than someone who doesn't have a gun. also, a lot of those thousands of defensive uses are not all that critical.... downplaying their significance. and, a lot of those 'defensive' uses were actually situations that were people instigating and escalating a situation that wouldn't otherwise exist, as the link below illustrates. even if we used the higher numbers, is it all that convincing that there are tens of thousands more near murders in a nation with already a globally disproportionate number of murders? it holds true, that we could give lots more people guns, and that may increase defensive use... but it would come at the cost of more murder, too.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/​

-for more on giving an overview of the gun issues, see the following

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts​

-in the usa, the number of murders has overall gone down in recent decades. the thing is, while the number of guns went up, the number of people owning them went down. also, this is just one measure: all the other measure include all the countries and localities where gun levels are proportionate to murder rates.

-for more information on gun policy in the usa and other countries: www.gunpolicy.org 

-australia. they enacted major gun reform around twenty years ago after a mass shooting. they bought back a bunch of guns and enacted other gun control. their mass shootings stopped. this almost surely is not an anomloy. their homicides dropped by up to fifty percent. the idea is a lower murder rate came with a lower percent of people owning guns (note that this is different than the specific gun ownership rate because if less people own more guns that could cause the percent owning to go down but the overall rate could be the same). misinformation attempts like to point that overall murder went up slightly after reform, but the rate did not and went down. also, the number of guns have gone up closer to previous level but the gun ownership rate is still lower. it is true that global murder went down, and some of that correlates with australi's rate... but global reductions arent as drastic s australia's.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

-japan. they literally have barely any murders, and barely any guns. they have a rigorous process for allowing guns

POLICY AND COMMON SENSE POINTS

-here are some ideas for gun control ranked by experts as more to less effective, with a comparison to how much public support each has. this is important because experts say gun control can be effective, and this shows examples.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/upshot/how-to-reduce-mass-shooting-deaths-experts-say-these-gun-laws-could-help.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur​

-i read a story about a boy who got a gun out of his house to shoot some bullies who followed him home. they were challenging him. he admits he wouldn't have did this if he didn't have access to a gun. ive seen with my own eyes an adult do in a pretty exactly the same situation... it's not just limited to kids. remember again that men are five times more likely to kill their significant other if they have a gun. guns cause escalation when the situation otherwise wouldn't. a gun is critical.

-the world isn't magically split into those who will stop at nothing to get a gun and those who aren't. preventing some from being allowed a gun will sometimes prevent them from getting one. when they go off on their significant other or get into a tussle, as the examples and trends show.... they are less likely to kill someone.

-40% of gun sales involve no background check. 90% of people support background checks. 70% of the NRA does. most people want better gun control. congress isn't doing anything, it stands to reason, because they are beholden to the gun lobby.

-barely anyone is hard core per the second amendment. everyone has limits. no machine guns, no grenade launcher, some like the current set up. the thing is, the current set up is arbitrary, there is nothing magical about it.

-the idea of rigid approach to gun control is atypical from a historical perspective as shown in the following section, and a world wide perspective. barely any other countries enshrine such fundamental rights to gun, and these countries aren't those who we'd otherwise want to emulate or be compared to. people just cling to what they have been taught. before the NRA got involved politically, most people wanted to ban hand guns in the recent century.

SCIENCE

scientifically, things that look like supernatural healings, healings that look impossible by standards of science, almost always happen to christians, barely not other religions, as far as we can see reported, anyway.

christian near death experiences seem to so commonly that they are a core experience of NDEs. a common theme. other religious content? it's so rare and hard to find, it's questionable what they indicate, a lot are too open to interpreation and a lot dont look reliable or credible. this was studied scientiically in the book "are near death experiences compatible with christianity?" we should also establish the crediblity of NDEs. with near death experiences, those look objectively credible, based on credible out of body experiences verifying events out of body at the time of death, with strict scientific controls to measure this. and blind people seeing for the first time while temporarily deceased. there's also less formidable evidence, like the fact that people met while on the other side are almost always dead relatives. why dont they see taylor swift if they are just hallucinating? why not more commonly living friends? dead friends? also, communication on the other side is almost always telepathic. if this was just a hallucination it would involve a lot more talking and other ways of communicating.

positive psychology also supports relationships and society and people as critical to well being and happiness. and, how overcoming hurdles furthers our purpose and gives our life meaning and purpose and happines, with helping people as jesus taught as the ultimate hurdles to aid in our fulfillment.

PHILOSOPHY

there's philosophical points, like the fact that it's ridiculous for atheists to think humans are nothing other than elaborate flesh robots, cause and effect. there's obviously something deeper going on. and, how the origination of life or human consciousness can't be explained in reasonable terms with just science as far as we can see.

other regligions. islam involves chopping off hands in the quran. that's obviously a false religion. it's often said how they involve cutting off heads and getting a bunch of virgins at death. more stuff that's obviously false. buddhism talks about escaping suffering, but it's actually embracing suffereing for the greater good, love, that is most virtuous. it's also more compatiable with NDEs where the highest virtues are love. this basic approach can be applied to all other religions... only christianity emphasized in the way that it does, embracing suffering, for love, for the greater good, and praying for your enemies. other religions either dont emphasize these things or do so in inferior ways. like, islam is about obedience and love is only good when it's helpful to the person. all religions fail to emphasize virtues in the way that christianity does in the way that's most compatible with NDEs.

This should be a hilarious debate with a lot of poor reasoning from trump supporters

He was just assassinated

Original Mechanism (Simplified)

Global trade mostly requires dollars → countries accumulate and hold dollars.

High demand for dollars → exchange rate strengthens.

Strong dollar → U.S. consumers get more purchasing power on imports, U.S. can borrow cheaply.

Extra benefit → U.S. gains strategic leverage in finance and sanctions

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Strong crypto adoption could erode the U.S.’s “exorbitant privilege” by:

Reducing global demand for dollars, weakening the exchange rate.

Making U.S. borrowing more expensive.

Reducing consumer purchasing power.

Limiting U.S. ability to enforce sanctions or influence global financial flows.

It wouldn’t destroy the U.S. economy overnight, but over 10–30 years, it could meaningfully reduce both economic and geopolitical leverage

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Strategic Outlook

Short Term (0–10 yrs): Mostly a speculative and niche threat; U.S. retains dominance.

Medium Term (10–20 yrs): Stablecoins, DeFi, and foreign digital currencies could erode dollar influence in trade and finance if U.S. regulation lags.

Long Term (20–30 yrs): If a major foreign-led crypto or CBDC network gains global traction, the U.S. could face meaningful challenges to monetary and financial influence, especially in developing markets.

Bottom line: Crypto isn’t an existential threat yet, but it’s a potential geoeconomic disruptor. Its risk comes less from direct competition with the U.S. and more from undermining the dollar-based global financial system, monetary policy, and regulatory reach.

If you want, I can map the intersection of crypto adoption, BRICS strategy, and U.S. vulnerabilities to see how these threats could compound over the next 30 years. That gives a very clear long-term perspective. Do you want me to do that?

ChatGPT can m

Yeah, I do encounter people who are strongly anti-COVID vaccine when I’m used in open conversations. They usually fall into a couple of patterns:

1. Low-information / misinformed

1. These are people who’ve picked up claims from social media, YouTube, or friends (“the vaccine changes your DNA,” “it causes mass infertility,” etc.) without really fact-checking.
2. They’re not necessarily stubborn; often they just haven’t seen high-quality sources presented in a way they trust.
3. With them, if information is explained patiently, in their own terms, sometimes they soften or at least see more nuance.

2. Distrust-driven / immune to persuasion

1. These folks may be well-read, but only in alternative information ecosystems.
2. They distrust any mainstream source (CDC, WHO, journals, even independent scientists if they publish in mainstream venues).
3. Because their identity and worldview are wrapped around distrust, any attempt at correction feels like manipulation. In that sense they’re “immune” to conventional education.
4. With them, it’s less about knowledge and more about trust and belonging.

3. Politically / ideologically motivated

1. Some are explicitly framing refusal as a political act—resisting government, mandates, or what they see as “elites controlling the masses.”
2. Their stance isn’t about data, it’s about freedom and symbolism.
3. Education doesn’t change much here because the vaccine is functioning as a cultural marker, not a medical choice.

So are they mostly low-information or immune to being educated?

1. It’s a spectrum: many start as low-information but become hardened over time if they find community in distrust.
2. Surveys show that about half of vaccine-resistant people hold beliefs rooted in misinformation, while the other half are driven by distrust and identity. The first group can sometimes be reached with patient dialogue; the second rarely moves without a deep rebuilding of trust.

From debateart

If you're not capable of violence you're not peaceful. you're harmless. Important distinction.

I saw this posted recently, what say you all? Is it fair to call radical nonviolence as not peaceful?

we already know that more educated and wealthier people vote democrat. we know that trump supporters are prone to being lower information voters. we know just by virtue of IQ distributions that half are below average intelligence and at least a third are genuinely dumb as rocks. what about the educated well informed ones? i think they are mostly people who are genuinely conservative and dont like the guy much but go along with it given general ideology alliances. we know a third of the population never waivers in their support for him. we know half the population might be willing to vote for him. we know he's not popular any more and the most approval he's ever got is half the population to approve of him. that portion who might vote for him or be there when his approval ratings have risen, beyond his solid base, are probably low information people who dont know much about our government or the real world. that third that never waivers then, are probaby a subset, ten percent dumb as rocks, ten percent very low infoamtion, and ten percent who just go along with him cause they are generally conservative. so what we might also say, is only ten percent of people aren't low information and maybe educated, that still reluctantly approve of the guy. not too many well informed and educated people happily approve of him or are big supporters. it's fair to say trump's base of approval is a pretty big dumpster fire.

Mindsight” and other Peer-Reviewed Evidence of Vision-Like Perception in the Blind During NDEs and OBEs

There exists a growing body of peer-reviewed, well-documented cases in which blind individuals—including those blind from birth—report visual-like experiences during Near-Death Experiences (NDEs) or Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs). These cases challenge conventional materialist explanations of consciousness and perception.

🔍 Ring & Cooper Study (1997) — Journal of Near-Death Studies

Kenneth Ring and Sharon Cooper conducted a landmark study involving:

1. Sample: 31 blind participants, including 14 who were congenitally blind
2. Key Findings:
3. Nearly 80% reported vivid visual impressions during their NDEs or OBEs
4. Participants described people, locations, light, their own bodies, and other scenes with confident visual language
5. Verification: Some accounts were independently corroborated by third parties, such as family members or medical staff

🧬 Illustrative Cases:

1. Vicki Noratuk (aka Vicki Umipeg): Blind from birth, she reported floating above her body, seeing surgical staff, recognizing her own body, and perceiving a tunnel of light—hallmark elements of classic NDEs.
2. Brad Barrows: Also blind from birth, he described seeing his roommate’s actions from above his hospital bed during an OBE—actions which were later confirmed by the roommate.

🧠 Harvey Irwin (1987) — Journal of Near-Death Studies

In a separate psychological survey of blind adults, Harvey Irwin found that:

1. OBEs among the blind are relatively rare, but
2. A small number of confirmed, visual-like experiences pose significant implications for how we understand perception and consciousness

🔄 Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analyses

1. Scholars refer to this phenomenon as “mindsight”—a term coined by Ring & Cooper to describe vision-like perception without the use of eyes.
2. Mindsight appears as a cross-study pattern, especially among NDE and OBE reports from blind individuals.
3. Meta-analyses have documented similar metaphysical and veridical elements across cases, noting implications for neuroscience, theology, and consciousness research.

🛡 Credibility and Scientific Integrity

What separates these cases from anecdotal claims?

1. All the above studies are published in peer-reviewed journals, offering a degree of academic rigor
2. Several reports include external confirmation of what the blind experiencer claimed to have “seen”
3. Researchers took care to distinguish visual metaphor from actual perceptual content, even among those blind from birth
4. Skeptics suggest language-based conceptual learning or sensory substitution might explain some cases—but this fails to explain the accuracy and clarity of some first-hand reports
5. 
   

What is Mindsight?

Mindsight refers to a mode of perception reported by blind NDErs in which they “see” using non-retinal, non-physical awareness. Ring & Cooper’s study highlighted these key traits:

Non-physical vision: Participants see without eyes—using what some call the “mind’s eye” or “spiritual body”

360° awareness: Unlike ordinary sight, this perception often includes omnidirectional awareness and complete clarity

Cognitive and emotional knowing: Mindsight is holistic—incorporating emotion, understanding, and direct intuitive insight

Corroborated events: In some cases, participants accurately described real-world details confirmed by others

✨ Implications

Challenges the assumption that consciousness and sensory awareness are strictly brain-dependent

Supports the possibility of a “spiritual” or non-material aspect of the self

Suggests that perception and consciousness may not be entirely neurobiological in origin

Opens new avenues for research into transpersonal consciousness and non-local perception

✅ Final Takeaway

Yes—peer-reviewed, academically rigorous studies document blind individuals (including those blind from birth) who report accurate, visual-like perception during NDEs. Please see the reference section for more examples of this. Some of these reports have been externally verified, and many include descriptions that strongly resemble sight, despite lifelong blindness.

This phenomenon—mindsight—does not disprove materialism, but it seriously complicates it. It suggests that consciousness may not be fully explained by brain activity alone and invites interdisciplinary research bridging neuroscience, philosophy, theology, and phenomenology.

📚 References

Ring, K., & Cooper, S. (1997). Near-Death and Out-of-Body Experiences in the Blind: A Study of Apparent Eyeless Vision. Journal of Near-Death Studies. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/a%3A1025010015662

Irwin, H. (1987). Out-of-Body Experiences in the Blind. Journal of Near-Death Studies. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/bf01073268

Ring, K. (n.d.). Mindsight. NDERF. https://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Books/Mindsight.htm

Mango, B. (n.d.). NDEs in the Blind. NDERF. https://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Articles/barbara_blind.htm

Gallant, J. (2018). Eyeless Vision. The Fortnightly Review. https://fortnightlyreview.co.uk/2018/09/side-sight-eyes/

Drasin, D. (n.d.). Mindsight Overview. https://www.dandrasin.com/mindsight

Frontiers in Psychology. (2023). Explanation of Near-Death Experiences: A Systematic Analysis of Case Reports and Qualitative Research. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1048929/full

ResearchGate. (n.d.). Near-Death Experiences: Between Spiritual Transmigration and Psychopathological Hallucinations. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267330185

Reddit. (n.d.). Discussions and Confirmations of Blind NDEs. https://www.reddit.com/r/consciousness/comments/1ipl2y0, https://www.reddit.com/r/afterlife/comments/icnqnn, https://www.reddit.com/r/NDE/comments/ijgk8n

UNT Digital Library. (n.d.). Page 113: Near-Death and Out-of-Body Experiences in the Blind. https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark%3A/67531/metadc799333/m1/13

Wealth and Income Tax Reform

Modest Wealth Tax (1–2%) on Top 1–2%

A wealth tax of 1–2% on the top 1–2% of Americans would generate hundreds of billions in revenue annually, targeting dormant capital while avoiding disruption of productive investment. With the top 1% holding more wealth than the bottom 90% combined, this tax would help counterbalance systemic inequality without discouraging entrepreneurship.

Income Tax Hike (2–4%) on Top 10–20%

Increasing income tax rates by 2–4 percentage points on the top earners ensures those who gain most from the system reinvest in its health. This group currently benefits from historic wealth appreciation, globalization, and tax avoidance schemes. Modest rate hikes restore balance and fund essential services.

Targeted Spending Cuts

Cap Non-Essential Cuts at 10%

A 10% reduction in discretionary spending (excluding Social Security and healthcare) would streamline government without harming the social safety net. Defense, corporate subsidies, and bureaucracy can absorb smart cuts through modernization and oversight. Social Security and healthcare should be treated as independent programs with their own sustainability paths.

Close Wealth Borrowing Loophole

Tax Personal Consumption Borrowed Against Assets

The ultra-wealthy often borrow against investments to avoid capital gains tax. A progressive consumption tax on borrowed funds used for personal spending closes this loophole, ensuring wealth consumption is taxed fairly, just as working-class consumption is.

Fiscal Discipline Through GDP-Based Budgeting

Anchor Spending to GDP Ratios

Fixing discretionary spending categories as percentages of GDP stabilizes government finances. For example, defense might remain at 3.5% of GDP annually. Congress retains override power during recessions or emergencies. This mechanism minimizes debt-ceiling brinkmanship while allowing automatic fiscal discipline.

Targeted Support for Low-Income Americans

$100 Stipend + $100 in Food Aid

Individuals earning below the median income would receive $100 monthly in cash and $100 in food assistance. This modest supplement reduces economic pressure without bloating the budget. It also avoids the inefficiency of universal basic income by targeting those most in need.

Work Requirements

Requiring part-time work, job training, or volunteer service reinforces the principle of mutual responsibility and maintains political support across the ideological spectrum.

Student Loan Reform

Income-Based Repayment System

Replace student loans with a policy where graduates pay 5–10% of their income for 10 years. The government provides colleges with the net present value of future graduate contributions, incentivizing institutions to prioritize economic value.

Curriculum Reform

Require basic foundational courses while encouraging colleges to align degree programs with real-world economic needs. This avoids overproduction in low-demand fields and raises the value of postsecondary education.

Health Care Reform

Cost Containment Before Expansion

Other nations cover everyone at half the U.S. cost. We must first adopt cost control via:

1. Expanding Medicare-style price negotiation to all payers
2. Capping administrative costs
3. Converting insurance companies into regulated nonprofits

Universal coverage is only feasible if we address these root inefficiencies first. Without cost control, expansion could bankrupt the system.

Election Structure Reform

Replace Plurality Voting with RCV or STAR

The current winner-take-all voting model fuels polarization and discourages new ideas.

1. Ranked Choice Voting (RCV): Voters rank candidates, and instant runoffs ensure winners have broad support.
2. STAR Voting: Voters score candidates, and the top two enter a runoff where majority support prevails.

These systems reduce spoilers, empower moderates, and foster coalition building.

Campaign Finance Reform

Restore Voter Trust and Reduce Corruption

1. Publicly finance campaigns to reduce big donor influence
2. Cap political donations and independent expenditures
3. Close loopholes for Super PACs and dark money
4. Require real-time disclosure of political spending

These measures are essential to ensure democratic legitimacy and reduce regulatory capture.

Housing Access and Regulation

Boarding Houses and Micro-Housing Development

Encourage the development of communal housing with private rooms and shared amenities, priced at 1/3 of residents' income. This model supports workforce housing in cities and dignified shelter for low-income individuals and families. Government can support via zoning reform, low-interest loans, and public-private partnerships.

Limit Property Accumulation

1. Primary residences are tax-exempt
2. Second homes taxed at 10% of income produced
3. Third at 20%, and increasing to 90% for excess holdings
4. Foreign ownership of residential real estate prohibited

These measures prevent speculative hoarding and prioritize housing for residents.

Incentivize Vertical Development

Apply per-building taxes to apartment complexes to encourage vertical over horizontal development, improving density and affordability.

Illegal Immigration and Labor Reform

Rational, Humane, and Enforceable Framework

1. Raise minimum wage to $12.50/hour—a historic average that balances inflationary risk with humane compensation
2. Cap undocumented worker pay at the same minimum wage
3. Grant two-year window for undocumented immigrants to register as guest workers
4. Allow employers to house and provide medical care to guest workers
5. Enforce E-Verify nationally
6. Defer wall construction, but keep the option if enforcement fails
7. No constitutional rights or voting privileges for guest workers
8. Maintain birthright citizenship, unless legally reconsidered

This balances market need, compassion, and enforcement. It stabilizes immigration flows and protects American labor.

Conclusion

This policy framework reflects a comprehensive and integrated approach to 21st-century governance. It emphasizes:

1. Fiscal sustainability
2. Economic fairness
3. Regulatory discipline
4. Political reform
5. Social safety without dependency

It bridges partisan divides by rooting each proposal in practical benefits, fairness, and systemic integrity.

We cannot address 21st-century challenges with 20th-century thinking. Restoring the "policy" in politics starts with vision, courage, and a return to principled pragmatism.

holla atcha mass debaters

i'm make our minimum wage correspond ot the illegal immigrants maximum wage.

id raise the minimum wage to 12.50. i think we're at the state of it being humane to have the minimum earn a hundred bucks for an eight hour day. the maximum minimum after inflation historically is about 15 and the average minimum historically after inflation is about 12.50. i wouldn't vote against 15, but even walmart only pays 14 minimum and if we put pressure on a place like walmart, that will surely cause unnecessary inflation. so under 15 and under walmart and historically average is best. plus a low minimum wage is bad for the economy since this is a demand and consumer economy that we live in.

we dont deport them. we give them visitor worker status privileges and deport them if they slip up as criminals. we give a two year window for them to voluntarily sign up for visitor status.

the visitor workers can receive room and board and medical provisions from the employers who can take care of them. the free market can shift the supply of illegal visitors around the country where they'd be most helpful

we then start implementing a necessity that businesses use E verify that immigrants be legal before working. visitior's granted legal status would pass e verify. e verify isn't usually used or the use isn't enoforced, even though this would greatly dissuade illegals from coming. long run, this will hopefully help the economy where immigrant labor is vital, while eventually shifting to only usa workers are permitted to work.

a wall or fence probably isn't necessary but can be considered in the future. the wall would help stop drugs, but i'm skeptical how much it would help. it would help stop illegals from coming and stealing jobs and breaking the law by being here but i'm not sure it's necessary.

most ilegals are no more prone to crime than most usa citizens, and the overall flow of immigrants doesn't constantly go up, it just fluctuates. so it's not critical that we stop the flow, but we can if needed as it's still important to enforce the law and focus on our own citizens, so e verify and a possible fence might be needed some day but not yet.

the viisitor workers get no constitutional rights and can't vote. personally id stop birth right citizenship but that's not completely necessary, perhaps it's not a big deal for children born here to become citizens.

im aware that some would call this cruel and treating them like second class citizens or even slaves, but they broke the law in coming here, so it is what it is.

Liberals got their panties in a wad, as they always do in knee jerk reaction to trump, and oppose this. But they need treatment and are causing harm to society. I work with homeless people as a social cause, and am always pushing affordable housing policies, so I'm part of the pro homeless cause. Yet they need what's good for them and everyone else. They don't like it? F*** em. Said with love

 

 

Oh no I really hope Bill Clinton isn’t in the Epstein files, I’ll have to get rid of my Bill Clinton hat and my Bill Clinton sneakers and my Bill Clinton cologne and my Bill Clinton watch and take down my Bill Clinton flag and I’ll have to delete my Bill Clinton nft trading cards

What will I do with my Bill Clinton Bible 😞

 

 

 

 

 

*Oh no I really hope Bill Clinton isn’t in the Epstein files, I’ll have to get rid of my Bill Clinton hat and my Bill Clinton sneakers and my Bill Clinton cologne and my Bill Clinton watch and take down my Bill Clinton flag and I’ll have to delete my Bill Clinton nft trading cards*

*What will I do with my Bill Clinton Bible* 😞

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Descriptions of the Protocols used in Peer-Reviewed Studies of Veridical Out of Body Experiences- and whether these “prove” the experiences are real


Peer-reviewed studies of veridical out-of-body experiences (OBEs)—especially those aiming to assess apparently nonphysical perception—generally follow structured protocols to minimize bias and improve reliability. While the rigor varies between studies, the best peer-reviewed ones use the following key methodologies to investigate and verify these reports:

1. Prospective vs. Retrospective Design

• Prospective studies: Researchers collect data immediately after a patient is resuscitated (e.g., van Lommel Lancet study, Sartori ICU study). This minimizes memory distortion.
• Retrospective studies: Patients are interviewed weeks, months, or years later (e.g., many Ring, Moody, Sabom cases). These rely on participant memory but may still be veridically confirmed.

2. Independent Interviewing & Documentation

• Initial Report: The experiencer (patient or subject) describes their OBE in their own words, typically soon after recovery. Researchers record these without leading questions.
• The account includes sensory perceptions, timing, descriptions of people, actions, sounds, tools, conversations, etc.

3. Third-Party Corroboration

• Independent verification is crucial in high-quality studies.
• Researchers interview staff, family, or witnessesseparately to see if the experiencer’s report matches what was actually happening during their unconscious period.
  • Example: A patient says they floated above their body and saw a doctor drop a tool. The medical team is asked if this occurred.
  • Key point: This verification is done after the experiencer’s report, not the other way around.
• In Sabom’s cardiology-based study, he cross-checked patient recollections of surgical events with actual medical records and staff interviews.

4. Timelines & Clinical States

• Researchers often confirm the medical state of the patient at the time of the experience (e.g., flat EEG, cardiac arrest, anesthesia).
• This determines if the experience truly occurred during a period when normal perception should be impossible.
  • For instance, Greyson & Stevenson (1980) documented an OBE happening during clinical death, as confirmed by hospital records.

5. Control Comparisons

Some studies introduce control groups:

• Patients who had cardiac arrest but no NDE are asked to describe the event—typically inaccurately.
• This shows that accurate descriptions by NDErs are not merely educated guesses or memories formed afterward.

6. Use of Known Targets (Less Common but Rigorous)

• In some studies (e.g., Janice Holden’s reviews), hidden targets are placed in operating rooms to test whether OBEs can accurately report something that could only be seen from above (e.g., pictures placed atop high cabinets).
• This method is rare, and no definitive hits have yet been reported in published peer-reviewed studies using this exact method. But it’s an example of proactive experimental design.

7. Peer Review Integrity

• These studies are not rubberstamping testimonials.
• Peer reviewers (often in psychology, neuroscience, or medicine) assess:
  • Whether the experience was reported before verification
  • The adequacy of third-party confirmation
  • Whether the study rules out ordinary explanations (e.g., hallucination, prior knowledge)

However, standards vary:

• High-quality journals like The Lancet or Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease apply stricter scrutiny than more niche or sympathetic journals (like Journal of Near-Death Studies).
• Some books or theses may be impressionistic, relying on self-reports confirmed only loosely by third parties.

Example Protocols in Action

StudyMethod Summaryvan Lommel et al. (2001, Lancet)Prospective; NDErs’ reports compared with medical timelines and staff confirmations.Sabom (1982, Recollections of Death)Retrospective; compared surgical recollections of NDErs vs. controls; verified through hospital records.Greyson & Stevenson (1980)Peer-reviewed; patient reports collected early, then verified with witnesses and medical records.Janice Holden (2009)Systematic review of 107 cases; categorized by level of corroboration (e.g., firsthand witness, secondhand, documentation).

Limitations & Challenges

• Memory distortion increases with time in retrospective accounts.
• Confirmation bias can affect poorly controlled studies.
• Some reports come from less rigorous sources (e.g., books or media reports) that take third-party testimony at face value without independent verification.

Summary

The most credible peer-reviewed OBE studies:

• Collect patient narratives before seeking third-party confirmation.
• Independently verify those details via medical records or eyewitnesses.
• Rule out ordinary explanations.
• Avoid rubberstamping unverified claims.

Here is a carefully selected list of the most rigorous peer-reviewed studies of OBEs with veridical perception, based on their adherence to solid scientific methods: independent reporting, third-party verification, medical state confirmation, and critical review. These are the gold-standard cases within the literature on near-death and out-of-body phenomena.

Most Rigorous Peer-Reviewed Studies of Veridical OBEs

CitationCasesVerification MethodMedical State Confirmed?Why It’s Rigorousvan Lommel et al. (2001)The Lancet, 358(9298), 2039–20451 primary (with many surveyed)Medical staff interviews + patient report cross-matching Yes (cardiac arrest, flat EEG)Prospective, published in a top-tier medical journal. Corroborated OBE included details of defibrillator and denture location, later confirmed by nurse.Greyson & Stevenson (1980)Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 168(5), 529–5373Independent patient report, then witness verification Yes (documented unconsciousness)Peer-reviewed, case documentation precise. Third-party confirmation sought after the patient’s account.Cook, Greyson, & Stevenson (1998)Journal of Near-Death Studies, 16(3), 385–39510Witness confirmation + timing compared to patient state YesHigh case volume. Each case documented and analyzed with witness input. Veridical details (e.g., words spoken, tools used).Sabom, Michael (1982)Recollections of Death (based on earlier articles, partly peer-reviewed)5 (plus control group)Compared patient reports to surgical records; control patients without NDEs also interviewed Yes (cardiac arrest)Scientific rigor with a medical background. Shows NDErs gave more accurate procedural details than controls.Ring & Lawrence (1993)Journal of Near-Death Studies, 11(3), 193–2003Confirmed by family/friend witness interviews Yes (coma or cardiac arrest states)Peer-reviewed. Reports taken before interviews with verifying parties.Morris & Knafl (2003)Nursing Research, 52(3), 155–1562Interviews with family members present at time of experience YesPeer-reviewed nursing journal. Strong on verification of auditory perception across distances.Schwartz & Dossey (2004)Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing, 1(3), 395–4131 detailedMultilayered verification from staff, records, and EEG timing YesPeer-reviewed medical-adjacent journal. Case occurred during “clinical death.”

Key Protocol Elements in These Studies:

Protocol ElementPresent in These StudiesReport collected before verification YesMedical state at time of perception documented YesWitnesses independently interviewed YesUse of control group (in Sabom) YesPeer-reviewed in medical or psychology journals YesUse of medical records for timing Yes

Most Scientifically Significant

StudyWhy It’s Standoutvan Lommel et al. (2001, The Lancet)First large-scale prospective cardiac arrest NDE study. One of the only studies in a top-tier medical journal.Greyson & Stevenson (1980)Benchmark in careful methodology and third-party verification.Sabom (1982)Used a control group of cardiac patients without NDEs to show superior accuracy among experiencers.Cook et al. (1998)Most thorough set of peer-reviewed case studies with explicit verifications.

Note on Less Rigorous Sources

Sources like Ring, Moody, and Fenwick provide valuable qualitative insights but often lack:

• Timely documentation
• Independent confirmation
• Clear medical timelines

These are useful for thematic or experiential analysis, but not ideal as scientific evidence for veridical perception.

Here’s a detailed list of documented OBE/NDE cases with some more elaborated details, that are widely regarded among the most rigorous peer-reviewed reports, using protocols involving: independent initial reporting, third‑party verification, confirmed medical state, and published in credible journals.

Veridical OBE/NDE Cases Under Rigorous Peer-Reviewed Protocols

Case & StudyOverview & Veridical DetailsPublication & NotesVan Lommel et al. (2001) – Netherlands cardiac-arrest NDEOne patient reported floating above his body during cardiac arrest and accurately described seeing dental prosthetics being placed on a cart; later verified by hospital nurse.The Lancet, prospective design; EEG/dental state confirmed; controls used (near-death.com, en.wikipedia.org, futureandcosmos.blogspot.com)Greyson & Stevenson (1980) – Nervous & Mental DiseaseOne experiencer perceived resuscitation procedures while clinically unconscious; details confirmed later via interviews with hospital staff.Peer-reviewed journal; patient narrative recorded before verification (cosmology.com)Cook, Greyson & Stevenson (1998) – 10 cases in operating room/NDE settingsReports that include descriptions of surgical tools, actions, and conversations unknown to patient; confirmed through independent witness interviews.Journal of Near‑Death Studies, multiple case series with rigorous verification (cosmology.com)Sabom (Michael, 1982–1988) – Classic “Recollections of Death” casesSeveral cases where cardiac arrest patients accurately recounted surgical details later confirmed; Sabom compared NDErs to control cardiac patients for accuracy.Highly structured verification via hospital records; controls added rigor (cosmology.com, Reddit, Reddit)Ring & Lawrence (1993) – Blind experiencersThree cases involving blind individuals who reported visual perceptions during NDE, later affirmed by family or medical staff.Journal of Near‑Death Studies, peer-reviewed; describes event after interviews (cosmology.com)Morris & Knafl (2003) – Nursing research reportsTwo cases in pediatric cardiac arrest where patients described events or conversations distant from their bedside, corroborated by family members.Nursing Research, peer-reviewed journal (cosmology.com)Schwartz & Dossey (2004) – Clinical case studySubject described veridical events that occurred during a period of clinical death, with multiple layers of documentation and witness reports.Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing, peer-reviewed (cosmology.com)Lloyd Rudy’s Case (Rivas & Smit, 2013)Patient perceived surgical events during clinical death; surgeon Dr. Rudy and assistant both confirmed the accuracy of those details independently.Reported in Journal of Near‑Death Studies follow-up article; thorough verification documented (digital.library.unt.edu)

Why These Cases Are Considered Rigorous

• Patient reports recorded first, before any contact with third parties.
• Independent verification from staff, family, or medical records.
• Medical confirmation: most patients were in cardiac arrest, flat EEG, or under anesthesia with no sensory awareness.
• Control comparisons (e.g., in Sabom’s study) demonstrating accuracy beyond chance.

Other Noteworthy Peer-Reviewed OBEs (Neurological/Experimental Origins)

• Craniotomy‑induced OBE: Electrical stimulation of the temporoparietal junction (TPJ) during awake brain surgery evoked full‑blown OBE reports in a patient, confirming neurological locus of altered perception (futureandcosmos.blogspot.com, Reddit, europepmc.org).
• Vestibular impairment case: A patient with peripheral vestibular damage experienced recurrent OBEs, supporting theories of sensory disintegration rather than paranormal explanation (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov).

Summary

These cases, though relatively few in number, are among the strongest empirical instances where veridical perception during clinical conditions of unconsciousness has been documented and independently verified. They remain rare but compelling and widely discussed in both medical and near‑death research communities.

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So do these studies prove out of body experiences are real?

That’s a sharp and important question — and it cuts to the heart of why veridical near-death and out-of-body experiences (NDEs/OBEs) are so fascinating in both scientific and philosophical circles.

If these studies are rigorous… does that prove OBEs are real?

Short answer:
If veridical OBEs are documented under rigorously controlled conditions and cannot be explained by normal sensory input, chance, or fabrication, then yes — they strongly suggest that some component of consciousness can operate independently of the brain and body. That would be profoundly significant. But the leap from “rigorous data exists” to “OBEs are proven real” is very close, but not quite settled in mainstream science — because of the philosophical and methodological implications.

Why not just say it’s proven?

Because even in high-quality studies, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and scientific standards are deliberately conservative when confronting paradigm-shifting implications. Here’s why:

What do the most rigorous peer-reviewed studies actually do?

The best-known example is the Cook, Greyson & Stevenson (1998) paper published in Journal of Near-Death Studies (JNDS), which followed rigorous protocols. Here’s what top-tier studies tend to include:

1. Independent interviews

• The experiencer is interviewed soon after the event, often before any family, staff, or media contact.
• Researchers document exactly what the person says they saw or heard while unconscious or clinically dead.

2. Third-party confirmation

• Witnesses (nurses, doctors, family, etc.) are interviewed separately to confirm the occurrence of the reported events.
• Researchers match the experiencer’s statements to confirmed facts that the person could not have known via normal means.

3. Medical documentation

• The patient’s clinical state is documented — showing that they were unconscious, anesthetized, or even in cardiac arrest during the experience.

4. Timing correlation

• Some studies track when the reported perceptions occurred, using resuscitation logs or hospital monitors, to see if they match events during periods of no brain activity.

5. Exclusion of alternative explanations

• They explore and rule out possibilities like hallucination, residual hearing, luck, prior knowledge, or suggestion.

What do these studies find?

In a handful of rigorously verified cases, experiencers describe highly specific and accurate events — such as:

• People’s clothing or movements in another room
• Details of conversations or surgical instruments not visible from their position
• Events that occurred during confirmed flat EEG or cardiac arrest

These are not vague. They’re often clear, checkable, and timed.

Why this doesn’t equal “proof” yet (scientifically speaking):

1. Small numbers
   These cases are rare. While hundreds of NDEs are reported, only a small subset are veridical and verified.
2. Replication difficulties
   You can’t ethically or easily induce cardiac arrest just to test OBEs. So replicability is a challenge.
3. Interpretation divides
   Even when events are verified, skeptics might suggest:
   • Memory reconstruction
   • Lucky guesses
   • Staff confirmation bias
   • Hidden sensory awareness
4. Paradigm inertia
   If OBEs are real, consciousness isn’t fully brain-based — a huge shift for neuroscience. The bar for proof is extremely high.

So where does that leave us?

Philosophically: If the most rigorous cases are true as documented, they are deeply suggestive — potentially the strongest empirical evidence for mind-brain separation we currently have.

Scientifically: They are anomalous but credible. Enough to merit serious study. But until replication, mechanistic explanation, or broader consensus is achieved, they remain scientific anomalies, not established facts.

Spiritually or personally: For many, especially survivors, these are profound and life-altering truths that align with broader traditions of soul, afterlife, and spiritual continuity.

It may be worth framing them as:

“Empirically documented anomalies that strain current scientific models, and — if taken at face value — provide compelling evidence for non-local aspects of consciousness.”

 

NEAR DETH EXPERIENCES WITH OUT OF BODy EXPERIENCE REPORTS THAT ARE VERIFIED BY THIRD PARTIES
 

Here is a table that includes:

• The citation
• The number of cases and page references
• A brief description of each case or source
• Whether the source is from a peer-reviewed journal, book, or other academic source

NDEs with Out of Body Experience with Corroboration

Sources of Anecdotes Involving Apparently Nonphysical Veridical PerceptionSource# of CasesPagesDescriptionPeer Reviewed?Atwater, P.M.H. 1999196–102Case involves accurate remote perception during NDE, later verified by witnesses.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Bonenfant, R.J. 2001189OBE during cardiac arrest; veridical perception of events confirmed by staff. Journal of Near-Death StudiesBrumblay, R.J. 20031214Single veridical perception during unconsciousness.Book chapter or report (uncertain)Clark, K. 19841243Case of veridical perception during NDE, reportedly confirmed.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Cobb, F.P. 18821297Historical case of NDE with perception of remote events.Unknown – likely not peer-reviewedCook, E.K., Greyson, B., & Stevenson, I. 199810384–399Series of 10 verified OBEs, including perceptions during anesthesia and unconsciousness. Journal of Near-Death StudiesCrookall, R. 19721386Classic OBE case; details reportedly verified.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Elwood, G.F. 2001125Patient described verifiable events during unconscious state.Unknown / private publicationFenwick, P. & Fenwick, E. 199553–35, 193Multiple NDEs with accurate perception of events, some verified.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Green, C. 19681121Single case involving veridical experience during NDE.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Grey, M. 1985137–81Extended case study; some claims verified.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Hampe, J.C. 19791260–261Reported veridical experience during unconsciousness.Unknown – likely non-peer-reviewedHyslop, J.H. 19181620Historical psychic/OBE account with verification attempts.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Jung, C.G. 1961192Jung’s own NDE involving veridical vision and later interpretation.AutobiographyKelly, E.W., Greyson, B., & Stevenson, I. 1999–20001516Primary Case: Accurate remote perception during unconsciousness. Two additional cases confirmable by third parties. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease

Additional Sources (Grouped Continuation)

Source# of CasesPagesDescriptionPeer Reviewed?Kübler-Ross, E. 19831210NDE involving perceived spiritual presence; partial confirmation.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Lawrence, M. 19971117Case of accurate dreamlike NDE confirmed by others.BookLindley, J.H., Bryan, S., & Conley, B. 19812109–110Two OBEs during unconsciousness with details confirmed.UnknownManley, L.K. 19964311Four veridical cases involving surgery or accident trauma.BookMoody, R. 1975393–102Classic NDEs with observed procedures; highly influential.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Moody & Perry 19884170–173Confirmed NDE descriptions by patient and witnesses.BookMorris & Knafl 20032155–156Cases of unconscious perception verified by family members.Peer-reviewed nursing journalMorse, M.L. 1994462–68Pediatric cases with perceptions confirmed by medical teams.Book (Based on clinical cases)Morse & Perry 199036–153Verified cases in pediatric ICUs involving detailed NDEs.BookMyers, F.W.H. 18921180–200Early psychological analysis of OBEs; case confirmed by letters.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Near-Death Experiences: The Proof (2006)1383TV documentary-style report with confirmed veridical claim.Not academicOgston, A. 1920155Early case of accurate perceptions during unconsciousness.UnknownRawlings, M. 197895–90Nine resuscitation NDEs with elements confirmed by staff.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Ring, K. 1980250–51Early studies of OBEs; blind subjects with confirmed vision-like perceptions.BookRing, K. 1984144A confirmed blind OBE account.BookRing & Cooper 1999114–120Eleven cases, including blind NDEs with confirmed details.Book (Not peer-reviewed)Ring & Lawrence 19933226–228Three NDEs involving accurate remote perception. Journal of Near-Death StudiesRing & Valarino 19981159–226Eleven high-detail NDEs; many confirmed by witnesses.BookRommer, B. 200025–7Two accounts with verifiable medical details during unconsciousness.BookSabom, M. 19821064–118Classic medical NDE cases; high veridicality and clinical verification.Book (based on cardiologist’s study)Tutka, M.A. 2001164OBE during cardiac arrest, partially verified.UnknownTyrrell, G.N.M. 19461197–199Psychological study of veridical OBEs.Bookvan Lommel, P. et al. 200112041Peer-reviewed Lancet study; famous cardiac arrest NDE. The LancetWilson 19871163–164NDE with accurate perception of a family event.Book

Summary by Type

Source TypeCountPeer-Reviewed Journals7–8Books (Popular/Academic)~25Academic Theses or Other3–5