melcharaz

The main reason i update it is cause (for me as an android user, idk about others) im not able to access the rubric once i pass the quiz unless its reset. So i do that incase others have the same problem and need a reference, especially to quickly check over if making a ultrarated debate or voting on one.

melcharaz

The topic rubric is ultrarated only. (See convo in it)


The voting rubric is designed for ultrarated as well, but it can be used for other forms. Voting after all is dependent on the standard that is asserted.


There is no issue if you see fit to use a different method on rated or unrated. But if you are able to use the voting rubric, why wouldnt you? After all the point of votes is to encourage a point of view that is logically sound or better proof.

melcharaz

Supposing God is love, lets asssume the following:


1: God is love

2: God doesn't change

3: God hates certain things, namely sin.

4:God is ultimate good


5: If 1&3 are true then to sin is not loving. Else God is not 2 or 4.


6: If God is sinless and righteous, then to judge makes him 4, assuming he is 2.


If 1-6 are true, then man is sinful and worthy of destruction.

melcharaz

Hope the updates and changes before rubric are noticable enough for anyone wanting to summarize.

melcharaz

Update on voting rubric


Preamble/clarification:


Frameworks

Frameworks are a more comprehensive set of conclusions about what each side must prove in a debate, often based on additional arguments about what makes something “good” or “bad".


A common framework is utilitarianism. So one side might argue for utilitarianism and then say, “in order to win, my opponent must show that the total pleasure in society will increase because of this policy.” Even if the other side criticizes this framework, if they fail to provide an alternate framework, voters should default to the only framework provided.


To count as a framework, it should be presented as one or something synonymous (e.g. “goalposts for this debate,” etc.)A preamble, argument summary, or topic headings on their own do not automatically constitute a framework.


Similarly, if one side says something more broad about burdens (“Pro must prove this policy is always good,” but doesn’t say what makes it good), and then Pro comes along and says something more specific about what makes something good (i.e. use a utilitarian calculus), then Pro’s criteria should be treated as a framework and defaulted to as the only one in the debate, while Con’s claim about Pro’s BoP is simply a claim about burdens that will be treated as conceded unless challenged.If multiple frameworks are provided, the debaters then have room to argue which is superior. These arguments can take the form of:


Clarity - arguing the framework is not clear about what burdens need to be met, so it can’t fairly be used to judge

Quality - the most straightforward kind of argument, such as arguing that categorical imperatives are superior to utilitarianism or something along those lines to justify a particular framework


…or other arguments that the debaters feel are relevant


As a general rule, voters should judge based on arguments about the better framework provided by the debaters themselves, rather than their own personal opinions about what a good framework is. (Although if neither side addresses the other’s framework, yet one framework is extremely unclear to the point of being impossible to use, voters can prefer the only usable framework without the debaters pointing out the obvious vagueness.)If no framework is provided, voters should weigh arguments case by case, based on arguments made by the debaters about one point being more important than another, or implied reasons to weigh some arguments over others. (This forces the voter to use some personal judgement how things should be weighed based on what is implied and makes it harder to be objective, so debaters are advised to use frameworks.) Again, voters should try to be as objective as possible here, looking specifically for what is said by debaters as a basis for preferring one impact to another.



VOTING RUBRIC UPDATED


5 Excellent

In addition to meeting all the criteria for a sufficient vote (Score 4), the vote does at least TWO of the following:
  1. Analyzes the overall strategies of each side and explains how the clash of these respective strategies led to the outcome.
  2. Explains how a side could have argued more successfully to win on a point they lost on.
  3. Compares the quality of evidence and sources and explains how this impacted the debate outcome.
  4. Analyzes the clarity and presentation of arguments, explaining how points were either easily understandable or could have been improved.
  5. Analyzes how the weight of arguments or margin of victory shifted over the course of the debate.
  6. Analyzed hypothetical frameworks debaters could have used in the debate, or gave advice about arguments they could have utilized against or for a particular framework that were not used.

4 Sufficient

  1. Votes solely based on relative strength of arguments made in the debate, and analysis of these arguments by the debaters, including relevant responses and weighing analysis.
  2. Explains why the arguments analyzed are enough to determine the outcome, not ignoring key arguments that could change the outcome.
  3. Displays neutrality, making clear that any personal opinions mentioned do not affect how arguments are weighed.
  4. Votes based on the scope set by the debate resolution and rules.
  5. Votes based on a framework provided in the debate, or, if none was given, weighs arguments case by case.
  6. If disagreeing with the debate's framing, the voter clearly establishes why their interpretation is more faithful and how it influences their vote.

3 Almost Sufficient

Weighs arguments from each side against each other, but may fall prey to one or more of the following flaws:
  1. Voting based on arguments not made in the debate.
  2. Voting on arguments without considering rebuttals or further analysis.
  3. Voting based on something other than argument strength (e.g., conduct).
  4. Voting based on personal opinions rather than the debaters' analysis.
  5. Ignoring one or more key arguments or pieces of evidence.
  6. Displaying significant bias that calls neutrality into question.
  7. Not voting based on the scope set by the resolution and rules.
  8. Ignores frameworks provided in the debate, or arguments in favor of or against said frameworks, inventing a different weighting mechanism based on the voter’s personal opinion.
  9. Rejects a framework based solely on their personal opinion of what the resolution means, despite the framework not explicitly contradicting the resolution or description.

2 Insufficient

Addresses an argument or arguments made in the debate but does not weigh arguments from each side against each other.

1 Irrelevant

Does not address arguments made in the debate.
melcharaz
melcharaz

Even scripture says to leave certain people alone. Pharisees for example, who value tradition more than God.

There are people who are like swine, that when you give them knowledge or wisdom the trample it and rend you.

The bible advises us that if possible to live peacably with all men, and sometimes ignoring them gives you and them peace.


The precept you are talking about, to mind other people's business, applies to brethern in christ, not everyone.

Galatians 6:1-5

1 peter 3:8

Romans 14:19

melcharaz

No one here is saying anyone is the best debater.


Id say the standards of what makes a great debater is the ability to convince someone to their perspective.


There are only a few people here that do that. The rest simply win because of structure, or the other forfeits, or the comparison of effort and proof.

melcharaz

You should not obey the law without the spirit of the law. God tells people to give in the context of matthew 5. 5:42 is the verse you referred to.


But the issue is to give freely, not begrudgingly.

Why?

2 corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

melcharaz

God deals with every person in certain ways.


No one will be lost by what they do or fail to do, they will be lost because they refuse to repent and obey.

Here is the 5 steps God deals with every person about sin.

1: conviction, you feel bad for what you done, you repent and all is made well.

2:chastisement, which often is sickness or affliction, but not always. Hebrews 12:6-8

3: open rebuke, where God will publically show your sin so others can see, that you might be ashamed and repent.

4:Judgement, when God strips you and takes from you, he allows you to reap the sin in your life, which brings loss, destruction or death

5: reprobation, you will not let him save you, so he gives you the mindset to defile and entertain your lusts. Romans 1:28-32 all that awaits you is wrath of God.



Now the bad news.

If you do not hear his voice, if you have never regarded God, if you think God to be fake, foolish or evil. It is likely you no longer feel or hear any of this.

He does not see you as a son, he sees you as an enemy or as wicked.


When God chastens, he loves, and he speaks.


If he hated you, he could remain silent and let you do what you want.


And the only hope you have is in Jesus and to obey psalms 50:23.


Psalms 50:16-23


Repent and obey, there is no other way.

Acts 2:38

melcharaz

I recommend more curative examination and punishment on people derailing or spamming a thread in forums.


Also the same for debate comments section.

melcharaz

Lynch and debby, yall need to stop derailing my topic thread. this is about love in the context of God. Not whatever nonsense yall are talking about.

@ragnar

@savant

https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct

"Erosion of argumentative integrity via spam, manipulation, or misuse of platform tools.Moderators may respond by removing posts, locking threads, issuing restraining orders, or disabling certain platform functionalities"


melcharaz

Its nonsense either way. The quran commands them to be violent. Here is an example of someone relying on data, instead of understanding religion.


Difference is shia attack openly, sunnis conquer first then divide through sharia.

melcharaz

Unfortunately alot of women have no personality cause they get attention with their looks. Alot of them only try to develop themselves in either persuit of their goals, or when their beauty diminishes.


Try talking to older women, you might find more of them to be intresting. Women under 30 tend to not be as charismatically developed.


I seriously doubt you will be as equally turned on or worried about your speech disorder around them.

melcharaz

Isnt anu the elderscroll's god? Him and padomay.


Anyways. A person cannot be a disciple of christ if they arent willing to give everything, including their life.

It would be better for a person to disregard God then be luke warm or a hypocrite.



melcharaz

Love is not just a means of expression, it takes many forms, not all of them are an evil, though they can be manifested selfishly.


Agapetos. The selfless love of God is a shelter, it is a banner, a place of safety and strength. Not only a place of vulnerability and truth, but a place where your weaknesses are not dispised, where you dont have to be a hero, but a vessel.

Love that is selfless demands sacrifice and openness, and with it, it grants both parts an opportunity to become greater to each other, to explore and intimately know someone deeper.


Song of solomon 2:1-4

1I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

2 As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.

3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

4 He brought me to the banqueting house, and his banner over me was love.


Love is a house of strength, a place to share joy and riches together.

melcharaz

Language. Adam named the animals. Culture is irrelevant and vain, its just a way of people doing stuff. Then tower of babel came and with new languages they eventually developed culture again.

melcharaz

It originally began out of pride, then it became part of religion (egypt) then it became part of attempt to honor the righteous among the dead. (Israel) then it became a need to not spread diseases (black plague) then it became pride again (enlightenment era) and now its out of false/suicidal empathy of the left (1900's to now)


I could be wrong about a few details. But in general its because of feelings, and sometimes not spreading diseases