I've already acceded that I will and should be the lynch, but just to be clear: I could have just shot randomly or killed someone who was virtually a confirmed townie. I was dead anyway and I know it by that point, not like it would have cost me anything. Instead, I chose the target Mikal picked out for me. Pretty weak way to sabotage town when I had all the choices.
I think its bizarre you try cozying up to town after being outted as the TP dayvig and killing the cop lol.
If you think this is me cozying up to town… wow, man. I accepted my fate before I claimed, let alone before I shot him. I’m not cozying up to anyone, just agreeing I’m screwed.
I don’t think enough people are going to commit to even letting me survive this DP, let alone get to MYLO/LYLO. It’s fine. For all that Pie lists all of his issues with my behavior, the fact of the matter is that my ability to win with either faction is always going to be a sticking point. Wouldn’t be my decision, but that’s me.
As for whether to lynch WF, I think town has succeeded in engendering at best apathy and at worst spite in him and hes unlikely to want to help us atp, so yeah
More apathy than spite at this point. If I’m left alive, that view could change, though I suspect I’ll be on the chopping block next DP anyway, so I don’t see much point in it. Much as I’m loath to admit it, I think lynching me is a better move than either lynching blind or no lynching.
not sure why he was given a fake claim or why he claimed it.
Don’t know why I was given one either. As for why I claimed it, this is my first exposure to either character. I assumed Pesmerga would be the safer claim since he was the fake claim. More fool me.
And just FYI, if I hadn’t been sussed, my aim would have been to wait until we had a couple of targets that were broadly sussed, pick between them, kill one and then announce it. Didn’t work out that way, so you only have my word for that.
Also, I’m confused why WF didn’t just claim Day Vig instead of TP Survivor. There’s something he’s clearly not telling us.
Because claiming Day Vig would have given away my role and, as I’ve already said, there is apparently another role in this came that can be actively used to stop my shot. Whether town or scum has it, that tells me there’s at least one other day action. Up to you whether you believe that.
If you guessed scum correctly I would have forgave you being TP
You and Luna would basically have been alone in that, so great, I would have had two of you.
I'd consider a no lynch as well here if we are certain white flame is TP . If he is TP we can be fairly certain he is not recruited and it could be useful later.
I doubt anyone will (or should) consider this. Even if you could somehow confirm yourself using me, everyone's pretty well aware that, best case scenario, I can win with either town or scum so I'm the auto-lynch before MYLO/LYLO. Kinda pointless leaving me alive when it just means I'll be a lynch later if you don't have a good alternative.
No I agree bud, I am saying the same thing. Like I told kohai if you force someone into a corner with a gun and tell them to shoot or else, you can't be mad or surprised when they shoot. I am literally the only one so far that was okay with you living if we found a better target. Oh well. Maybe people will learn not to be so hostile to third parties after this. Though I think the bigger issue is them just not believing you as third party, which also is a bit wierd to me, but i digress/
Amen, brother. Good luck!
As the wonderful dub of Garzey’s Wing says:
”Try not to get killed!”
Now you just gotta celebrate it instead of care if people are beating you up for it lol.
On that note though, screw you for killing our cop ;-)
Fair enough I guess. Enjoy the aftermath!
Actually not to sling mud at whiteflame, but this is lowkey a good point. If I were whiteflame my counter to this would be that I am third party and dont care, but hes clearly trying to sell that hes looking after towns best interest. Conceding to mikals bullying doesn't really benefit all of town lol
Yeah… and benefitting town helps me not at all if I’m getting auto-lynched, man. I’m not here to help one side out of the goodness of my heart. My aim was to align myself with town, and the response I got was “you’re the lynch this DP regardless.” Going through all the effort to get a claim, presumably townlocking Mharman, and shifting to a different target would have still resulted in my lynch, 100%. I was told repeatedly I was dead regardless. So here we are.
Tell me, honestly: do you or anyone else refuse to lynch me after that? I’d frankly be shocked if anyone changed their minds lynching me regardless of what happened, so best case scenario for me, town gets a leg up next DP and I’m still dead after multiple hours of arguing that we should wait on the opinions of others. Beautiful. Maybe you’d continue to care. I just didn’t, and I still don’t.
Anyway, I’m done with the back-and-forth at this point. Bring that discussion to the endgame and we’ll have it out there. Town’s going into DP2 at 7-3 if the NK goes through. I’ll be interested to see how it goes.
Sincerely, I’d love to know what anyone else would do in my shoes. Guess I could have rolled a number generator and picked someone at random, or just shot Mikal under the pretense that scum should have a leg up (still think he’s town, btw). I chose to wait anyway and sheep a widely townread player’s choice. I was the auto-lynch regardless of what happened. The worst you can accuse me of is jumping the gun, and yes, I just got fed up fighting for something that I knew wouldn’t affect me at all. So sue me.
Bro you guys are on nuts.
he’s tp. He’s dying. Why would he care who he shoot’s. I called a bluff and was wrong. Simple as that
we still got some decent info out of it.
This. Finally, someone posting some fucking sense.
You claimed you can win with either town or scum. You could have done something to help town and try and pretend you would prefer winning with town than scum
If that wasn’t clear from the multiple messages I posted offering to follow town’s scumreads, then I give up. Just lynch me and get it over with.
No, if WF wanted to help time, he takes the shot after the person has claimed. You’re being selfish cause you’re either scum or don’t want to help town.
I offered, repeatedly, to follow town’s scumreads and make a decision on that basis. I was told many times that it didn’t matter what I did and I was the lynch regardless. If it’s selfish to look at any choice I made as a losing proposition, then this was me being selfish.
You didn’t even ask me for my opinion. Granted I would have said magic but only after we had him claim. We could have had two lock town on day 1.
granted magic should have SOP claimed but that’s another issue
You’re right, I didn’t tag you and ask your opinion. Shocking that I wouldn’t go through a concerted effort to get all of town into the conversation after I was repeatedly told I’m the lynch regardless of what happens.
I agree with that. I’m not getting off of WF today for taking that shot without a claim “just to sheep” Mikal
Lol, as if I would have gotten out of this by waiting for everyone to chime in (which is what I called for) or seeking a claim from Magic. Don’t know why anyone’s calling out my choice here. You all knew I was the lynch regardless. I offered a choice despite knowing that. Mikal was the only one who took me up on it.
Agreed. Also I really detest that we didn’t seek a claim or have any discussion on who to shoot.
I was literally the only one calling for everyone to pick a target and Mikal told me to just shoot randomly before telling me to shoot Magic so… you’re welcome!
what really irks me here is neither WF nor Mikal wanted a claim from mag1c before the shot.
I’m the TP dude, and I’ve been told repeatedly, especially by you of late, that I’m the auto-lynch. You think I cared if he claimed? It’s game over for me regardless of who I shot.
yep, might as well just leave you guys to sort out your own mess. Enjoy.
VTL WF
Yep, that’s fun. Thanks, REF.
Satisfied?
eh if it goes off. Let chaos reign
Pretty much where I’m at right now. Enjoy the fallout guys. Also, just to throw out something else that’s fun, I can’t be recruited. So if that estimate of yours about 5-6 characters not being recruitable is accurate, you’re down at least one.
Ima be honest I was not paying attention to most of it. I really think this is a gambit to try and stay alive and wanted to see Mharm reaction to you saying you killed him. If I’m wrong so be it. But a tp joint win day vig makes no sense. You get to the day before lylo, side with scum and just end the game. Don’t see it from balance but maybe I eat my words.
if you are a day role. Day vig is the only thing that makes sense for uber. I just don’t think you are
Then you’ll enjoy seeing both Mharman’s death and my flip, too. This would be a stupid ass gambit, dude. I’m just straight up resigned to death by lynch and knew my claim would make that inevitable, even if you all think I’m telling the truth.
WF goal is to hunt down a townie. Let’s lynch
Literally not my goal, but whatever. Enjoy my flip tomorrow.
Fair enough, though you do realize we cannot take you to MYLO/LYLO with us. It’s too risky
I said as much earlier. If we get anywhere near that point, I'd be the autolynch. If people want to do it now, as I suspect everyone will, so be it.
I just think he’s bullshitting and wanted to call it out. He said something can interfere with it and the thinks it’s bulletproof. Why would he be scared to say that and have someone interfere with it if he’s worried about it being bulletproof prof. A bullet proof doesn’t make the role useless which is what he was claiming
Literally said I don't think it's BP (reread post #339) and that REF strongly implied that there's a role that can actively interfere with mine (reread post #329), both of which you seem to have ignored to make this response, but I guess fuck me for trying to explain this in any way because it's obvious you were never going to buy it.
Welp folks I might me dead over the dumbest shit, unless Whiteflame is basically just trollling.
I'm not, so yeah, you're almost certainly dead. I would have preferred a target I was scumreading a bit like WyIted, but I sheeped Mikal so here we are. I'll be lynched, so... yeah, here we are.
Or he rolled TP and was like screw this. Everyone hates playing as TP
I was actually interested in playing this role, figured I could have some fun with it if I was able to align myself with town by killing a scumread target this DP. Don't suspect it will play out that way, but tbf, I'd probably be hesitant to trust a claimed TP Survivor even if they did kill a scum target. Don't think I was ever getting out of claiming, though, and even my fake claim was auto-scumread.
