A-Gerard wrote:
Who would you be open to lynching today? If outside of the people I tagged who and why?
Fiona for sure, maybe Bleys depending on if they come back/get replaced and what happens if they do. Caine is kind of all over the place in a way that feels very sus. Deirdre is behaviorally null, but leans scum by PoE. Not my first choice for a lynch, tho. So yeah, basically the same PoE on my end aside from excluding myself from the list for obvious reasons.
A-Random wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Random wrote:
I want to point out again if Oberon is lying. He will flip [and if he's that role that steals], we will have literally 0 idea
I am on him for 2 reasons.
1 because he admitted to not being someone and I dont think i can buy that given his typing patterns and how that mod kill post looks. I think he was lying.
And 2 because I really I dont buy that he would frame the wording as mod kill and then immediately adjust it after the mod corrected that statement.
I could be overthinking it but I really dislike this as its not a freaking mod kill and I dont see someone with any experience wording it in that way
I have 3 points there
1- Dude is self resolving. They flip or we handle them tommorow. I don't see scum going all in for such little reason
2- I can see someone viewing a mod judgment on a complicated role like Blackmailer as "The mod is killing me aka mod killed" when spoken of with little thought. The timing of it was bad with the mod enforcing the anon rules but I can see the phrasing being an innocent mistake.
3- We can loose the game today 100%. We need to flip a wolf today.
This is not self resolving and we could lose today. That's exactly my point. That claim allows him to stay alive and even we are going tomorrow. It resets the read entirely. Self resolving implies he does not have an out. He has an out and motivation to stall and even if he ends up dead. We can't prove he's actually dead. We also can just outright lose.
I dont think im shaking the wording of him being modkilled and course correcting after the mod corrected it.
I entirely can see a world where they have a win con today and this is a stall out for that wincon as well
Do you think Oberon is mafia or 3P? If he's a 3P, which one? If he's mafia, do you actually believe they blackmailed one of their own, assuming that would even be allowed? If not and this is a Mafia gambit... What's the gambit, exactly? How does this work in the mafia's favor and how does Oberon have an out?
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
VTL: A-Fiona
Fiona or Byes should be the lynch.
Whats with the focus on Bleys? They already said they'd be back tonight and didn't Mag already say he'd replace if need be? This is just lazy at best
Problem with Bleys isn’t just his inactivity. His pushes yesterday were truly godawful.
It's not that I necessarily disagree, but he's likely going to either return or get replaced today, so why even consider him an option until then when Fiona is a perfectly good alternative?
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
I'm here, meant to be on earlier, probably not going to be on for super long since it's been kind of a crazy weekend for me, I'm tired, and I regret signing up for this game a little bit, but I'll participate as much as I can. Responding to a few posts first.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
I'm a little busy this afternoon, will be more active later tonight. Three dead already + one of them being janitored is unfortunate. I will say that I largely agree with Pie's final reads list in his will. Going to ask everyone a question in the meantime: why do you think Julian was the NK target?
You got lucky last day phase. Why shouldn’t we lynch you?
If you sus me, that's your prerogative, but I am not the only person here with good reason to sus. Fiona has been scarcely present this game, Bleys has done nothing to impress me (though I'll give him a little leeway for now given what he's already said this DP) and Caine's EoD behavior was very strange imo. Why should I be lynched as opposed to anyone else?
"People are just as scummy as me" isn't a great defense. For all I know they are your scum partners.
Missed this post. I disagree with the idea that everyone else I mentioned is "just as scummy as me". I think Fiona is objectively worse, probably Bleys as well, but I already said I'll leave them alone until they return/get replaced. What even is there to say in Fiona's defense?
A-Caine wrote:
VTL: A-Fiona
Fiona or Byes should be the lynch.
Whats with the focus on Bleys? They already said they'd be back tonight and didn't Mag already say he'd replace if need be? This is just lazy at best
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
There are pros and cons to asking for claim. The thing is in role madness game or vanilla games it can prevent a PR from being ML’d.
I get that, I do. But I don't like how the meta on this site often ends up with PRs being forced to out themselves. I understand it can't be avoided 100% of the time (excluding all Vanilla games), but I feel like it happens too often here
A-Random wrote:
Bro re read that shit. Its the slip of slip. Says mod kill. You ask the mod and the mod says nah. Then he course corrects. There is no shot we dont kill him
Wtf is this aggression from Random? I do not buy this theory at all
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Also, I did actually change my pfp as you can see. I also hated the one my predecessor chose fwiw. Would you mind changing yours as well? I don't like it much either. Always been emetophobic
Yeah, Sorry. And thank you. Slowly digging through tons of stuff. Literally only had the vomiting thing looking at the 10 year old BDSM pic. That thing pissed me off every time I saw it legit.
It's all good. Also, glad to actually see you engaging meaningfully with the game this DP. Helps me get a good read on you
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
A-Oberon wrote:
Fuck I'm gonna get modkilled..
Why?
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Oberon wrote:
Get tf in here..
Isn't there someone you forgot to tag in this post?
Llewella? tbf I'm not seeing whatever it is Gerard sees in them. Their posts have DP1 have been utterly useless. I don't really care if they come in here since I don't see them providing any insight, and we already have 3 viable targets today.
Yeah, that's who I meant. They also haven't said anything this DP. Also, did you miss #70 from Bleys? Anyway, I agree that Llewella isn't the scummiest person here, but I literally have no clear reason to townread them either
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Brand, explain now why you delayed claiming so long, and claim now..
First of all, asking me to "explain why I delayed claiming so long" doesn't make much sense to me. Like, I obviously am not responsible for any of this slot's behavior before I replaced in (duh). And after I replaced in, I did say pretty much immediately that I would claim if two different people wanted me to, which didn't end up happening (in fact, people got off my wagon afterward). I said that because (1) I wasn't anywhere close to being caught up yet and (2) outing town roles is bad on balance for the town. That's why I didn't want to claim immediately. I really don't think this should be that mysterious to you. And no, I'm not going to claim now just because you specifically want me to.
I like now you conveniently failed to quote the rest of my post #93, where I linked all the comments asking you to claim. I asked you to claim. Flora asked you to claim. Caine heavily implied he wanted you to claim. You acknowledged your position on the same page where all this happened. If you claimed then Flora would most likely not have been under as much pressure to claim, since your claim would have brought us to 3 claims. That DP could have ended completely differently.
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
A-Oberon wrote:
Get tf in here..
Isn't there someone you forgot to tag in this post?
I will say, I wasn't super happy with Random early on, but they've slowly been winning me over. I liked how they tried to start a discussion about why Julian of all people was the NK. I mean, I also tried to start that discussion, but Random actually got it going. Plus some of the angleshooting he's been doing (sussing me for my predecessor dropping out while under fire, the whole popcorning thing he started) feels like what I've seen from him before as town. Though maybe that's NAI for him; I haven't played enough games with him to be able to tell.
Side note, it's very funny to me that there's a character in this game called "Random". Like yeah some of the other names are weird/dated, but they're recognizably names, and then there's just Random, which I have never heard used as a name before. Reminds me of this xeet I saw last night:
the Beatles are a band where three guys have the world’s most normal names and one guy has a name you absolutely never hear and somehow he’s not even the main guy
Brand, explain now why you delayed claiming so long, and claim now..
First of all, asking me to "explain why I delayed claiming so long" doesn't make much sense to me. Like, I obviously am not responsible for any of this slot's behavior before I replaced in (duh). And after I replaced in, I did say pretty much immediately that I would claim if two different people wanted me to, which didn't end up happening (in fact, people got off my wagon afterward). I said that because (1) I wasn't anywhere close to being caught up yet and (2) outing town roles is bad on balance for the town. That's why I didn't want to claim immediately. I really don't think this should be that mysterious to you. And no, I'm not going to claim now just because you specifically want me to.
Also who the fuck replaced Brand? How can Julian be Supa? Supa is not on the sign up list..
Why must he have been on the sign-up list to be a replacement?
As for me, I'd say who I am, but I won't out of respect for Magoroth, in case he doesn't want us to do that.
As a developer myself, I understand Caine's behaviour completely..
Things that can be said about this game or about The Amazing Digital Circus
I'm here, meant to be on earlier, probably not going to be on for super long since it's been kind of a crazy weekend for me, I'm tired, and I regret signing up for this game a little bit, but I'll participate as much as I can. Responding to a few posts first.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
I'm a little busy this afternoon, will be more active later tonight. Three dead already + one of them being janitored is unfortunate. I will say that I largely agree with Pie's final reads list in his will. Going to ask everyone a question in the meantime: why do you think Julian was the NK target?
You got lucky last day phase. Why shouldn’t we lynch you?
If you sus me, that's your prerogative, but I am not the only person here with good reason to sus. Fiona has been scarcely present this game, Bleys has done nothing to impress me (though I'll give him a little leeway for now given what he's already said this DP) and Caine's EoD behavior was very strange imo. Why should I be lynched as opposed to anyone else?
Also, I did actually change my pfp as you can see. I also hated the one my predecessor chose fwiw. Would you mind changing yours as well? I don't like it much either. Always been emetophobic
I'm a little busy this afternoon, will be more active later tonight. Three dead already + one of them being janitored is unfortunate. I will say that I largely agree with Pie's final reads list in his will. Going to ask everyone a question in the meantime: why do you think Julian was the NK target?
A-Julian wrote:
I just saw that mod said we can disclose identities
Where?
A-Martin wrote:
wait did brand not really replace out then
Brand did, I am their replacement. I'm not going to outright say who I am out of respect for the concept even if it's basically already dead, but it shouldn't be hard to figure out
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
Am I the only one town reading Martin's ATE?
Whats ATE?
Him complaining pie always mislynches him
I feel like that's pretty NAI coming from Martin tho. Also that doesn't tell me what ATE stands for, which is what I was asking.
A-Flora wrote:
Still 3 hours
We don't have three hours. Check the ping from Magoroth on Discord
A-Caine wrote:
Am I the only one town reading Martin's ATE?
Whats ATE?
A-Caine wrote:
A-Fiona wrote:
We have less than 1 hour. I do not think the lynch will be anything but Flora or Brand. just Relax
I have a very strong preference for Flora over Brand.
Why do you sus Flora?
A-Martin wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
well if it takes me dying to punish flora for this, so be it. kind of boring to constntly be lynched by the same person over and over again, as either affil. would be cool if u guys took my side even once lol. starting to question why i bother signing up for these.
You survived quite a while last game mainly on behavior. Sorry if I’m a little hesitant to read good behavior in a similar light this game, but that’s the way it is. It’s not like you’re always an early lynch.
i survived two day phases bcuz my teamates were getting lynched instead. not exactly an award wining moment. i was always gonna be in the poe and was always going to be lynched, even without the jailkeep. i dont think surviving two mislynches is all that impressive
Yeah, there were way more obvious and popular targets than you, but you were really good behaviorally in the last game, so much so that you had Mestari and I fooled. Even when you were mechanically caught by the JK, you still managed to get your lynch delayed by a day because people townread your behavior. You say that it's not impressive, but actually, that's nothing to sneeze at whatsoever
A-Deirdre wrote:
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
If that’s what he thinks he’s doing, then he’s wrong. It’s not giving him an out, at least not beyond this DP. It just makes him a priority lynch the longer the game goes on, and from my perspective, a priority the moment Martin flips town.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
If that’s what he believes should happen, fine. It’ll backfire on him. I’ll push for his lynch and it looks like I wouldn’t be alone.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
I’m saying the move doesn’t make sense to start as scum. He’d have to double down on it either way because he’s too invested, but I don’t think scum Pie puts this kind of attention on himself and literally inserts himself into POE for the rest of the game as a starting strategy.
Lowkey these are some good points from Deirdre. I'm inclined to agree that this is the sort of risk Flora would not be inclined to make as scum, not this early in the game. On the other hand, Martin has just felt off to me all game. Like I said earlier, I was genuinely surprised when I realized who they were. I might switch to Flora by EoD simply out of self-preservation if need be, but I want to see where this goes.
VTL: A-Martin
Why is your vote on Flora? Just did an ISO and you've contributed almost nothing to this game
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
Pie pretending to follow a policy but not following through with it would be NAI. How many times have you heard pie say he wants to policy lynch a miller but then never follow through? Then the one game where he doesn't have a fuck ton of mech analysis to go on, his idea is to follow through policy lynching vanillas when we have reason to believe theres a ton of them, and he is one himself? Then he goes on to tunnel that read the rest of the day phase, barely look into anyone else, and provide the weakest read list I've ever seen from pie? What does scum pie do in this game if this isn't scum pie? What does a scum pie game look like in your eyes?
As for the Miller thing, the reason he's backed off in the past is generally that he couldn't get it going in the first place because other people didn't agree with the policy and thought there was a better option in context. So I guess it is of note that no one else is voting for Martin yet. As for what a scum Flora looks like... Pretty much like town Flora. The one time did genuinely catch him behaviorally, it's because he made a particular argument against a specific player that he had used in a previous game where he was scum, and I caught on to that. Unfortunately, I was wrong about his partner, which cost us the game
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
I think it’s riskier play on his part than I’d expect, particularly this early with a VT claim locked and loaded.
Riskier than you'd expect from him as town or as scum?
