Also huge reason to slow walk the train.
Keep it slow as replacements may happen please
Also huge reason to slow walk the train.
Keep it slow as replacements may happen please
A-Deirdre wrote:
There’s really nothing else I have to say to Fiona at this point.
If people want my logic for picking that quote, I can give it, but it hardly seems necessary.
My only concern is that he might be the Jester. Outing himself like this fits the MO and there are two potential TP roles that turn into Jesters when another player dies.
I am rather distracted but the 2 things of interest to me is if they confirm it’s an original post and if you can confirm it’s an x post.
past that the vetting is a thing but those two details potentially out a hard slip
Other slots and the train progression yesterday could use attention. When I am back home and internet is back it’s how I will be spending my time for this game.
I figure towns best move is to eat popcorn and let ‘em thunderdome. Whichever made the mafia claim as scum made a poor decision. Will be impressive if they pull it off
A-Caine wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
It was a shitpost I came across the other day and thought it was funny. that's literally all there is to it
So you, as one of the few absolutely confirmable roles in this game, chose to just grab an anime quote for no other reason than it’s a funny shitpost? No aim to confirm yourself, just shits and giggles? Like, guys, if you want my reasoning, I’ll give it but this is just… wow.
Can you confirm if this was an original post written by you or was this a copy and paste from somewhere else?
this would be useful to verify. I am interested in hearing this answer
I’m against a fast hammer. I’m still digging through the trains and have not seen that much analysis on it.
I also very specifically want to see if replacements happen and let them have time to make posts
A-Gerard wrote:
Deirdre explained it pretty early on. I asked him if he thought anyone else can no that reference but it seemed pretty obscure. I think that about confirms it, but you can ask Fiona questions about it and make them sweat and research frantically a bit if your feeling devious and want to be sure xD
I did pick up on that. I think your more likely to be right but I would rather they just thunderdome as we sort elsewhere than we take time vetting them. For this bit of the day phase anyways.
My internet cut out so ran up the road for a taco. But we are down to a hard CC 50/50 that’s certainly WvT
im still interested in sorting outside of that.
I think the real crier can simply explain their post and clear this up
A-Gerard wrote:
I’m a bit paranoid about the traitor role. Disguised we can work around it traitor is essentially a tailor
I am less paranoid about them. Given we reasonably believe blackmailer and Illusionist/Janitor exist.
Traitor probably would not exist without the pairing of Lord of Chaos/GF and I do not see a 4p mafia team as likely. Unless the BM claim is false I am giving traitor much less consideration.
Im down to a PoE of 5 expecting only 2 town to exist within it. Progress~
A-Fiona wrote:
I think the jailer should out too with a janitor ability in the game. In case he dies and the mafia decides to try and take his claim
I think Jailor revealing is a bad idea. He can protect you. He could also block the kill.
Given we have no other protective, redirect, or healing them revealing means certain death and we do not even have invest functions to see who does it. It would also put you at risk removing the WIFOM of if you are protected or not.
Jailor should not claim in my opinion.
A-Random wrote:
This is not self resolving and we could lose today. That's exactly my point. That claim allows him to stay alive and even we are going tomorrow. It resets the read entirely. Self resolving implies he does not have an out. He has an out and motivation to stall and even if he ends up dead. We can't prove he's actually dead. We also can just outright lose.
I dont think im shaking the wording of him being modkilled and course correcting after the mod corrected it.
I entirely can see a world where they have a win con today and this is a stall out for that wincon as well
I am much less interested in their win condition and much more interested in ours. I acknowledge its possible they went wild FPS going all in as mafia but thats such an odd extreme play when they would have simply been safe chilling under the radar today. Its super unlikely.
And if 3p we kinda want them on our side if possible given our situation anyways. That specific one your mentioning is a huge problem for the mafia team as well. Today we specifically need to kill a mafia member and I just see very low chance in that slot.
Random I do town read from their Oberon push. While I do not agree with them and I do not see it as making them 'confirmed town' given 3p exists I see it as much more likely than not town.
In this situation if they were mafia pushing to eliminate Oberon given mafia would know the blackmail target it just makes no sense putting them between town or 3p.
Weird world potential of Mafia making a very strange play but not worth considering that today imo. I agree that Oberon and Random should not be considered today.
Lets please not hunt for the jailor. That specific role should stay hidden today imo
Unless Julian was specifically our Jailor I do not think we are in the worst shape if we handle this right.
Regent will be confirmed town unless Mafia wants to CC
Jailor is extremely likely town. Gives us protection to regent with RB ability and is semi confirmed if revealing
Escort less likely with jailor existing. Leaves Coroner/1 shot cop. 1 shot cop claims we get info on 2 slots. Having 3/9 sorted shooting at 50/50 before analysis we should be in decent shape for a mylo.
A-Random wrote:
I want to point out again if Oberon is lying. He will flip [and if he's that role that steals], we will have literally 0 idea
I am on him for 2 reasons.
1 because he admitted to not being someone and I dont think i can buy that given his typing patterns and how that mod kill post looks. I think he was lying.
And 2 because I really I dont buy that he would frame the wording as mod kill and then immediately adjust it after the mod corrected that statement.
I could be overthinking it but I really dislike this as its not a freaking mod kill and I dont see someone with any experience wording it in that way
I have 3 points there
1- Dude is self resolving. They flip or we handle them tommorow. I don't see scum going all in for such little reason
2- I can see someone viewing a mod judgment on a complicated role like Blackmailer as "The mod is killing me aka mod killed" when spoken of with little thought. The timing of it was bad with the mod enforcing the anon rules but I can see the phrasing being an innocent mistake.
3- We can loose the game today 100%. We need to flip a wolf today.
The earlier conversation about the votes is interesting.
9 alive. Assuming 3-4 scum/non town.
8 alive assuming Oberon is not lying about the BM issue. (I see no possible reason to lie there)
1 Misslynch + 1 night kill puts us at 6p. So Mylo or potential Lylo today from the info we have.
So everyones favorite subject- Claims
At this point I think Regent should claim.
Jailor existing means they can be protected. Jailor should not claim.
1 shot Alignment cop / Role cop should also claim. If you exist and used your shot your VT now and that result would be critical
I am still a bit stuck on Lord of Chaos existing in the game. Should probably acknowledge there is no logical reason to assume that other than host meta understanding where Mag learned to play mafia and what this setup is mimicking.
A-Oberon is self resolving. I do not see a reason we should be voting there.
I dont see the logic of saying Rand is 100% clear if Oberon is blackmailed. 3p could very well still exist.
That sets the Mafia team at specifically an Illusionist/Janitor and a Blackmailer.
Also of note that if the Blackmailer gets a kill off they can not blackmail again. So they would be essentially vanilla mafia unless they got promoted to Godfather/Lord of Chaos
A-Gerard wrote:
Gonna be hard not to suspect people like Cain, Brand and Llewella for that who have been openly against this and complaining about it the whole time
I have been complaining about the angleshooting. Not the anon stuff. I have bantered with the mod a bit about the anon stuff but none of it was negative. More just me giggling at how hard the community is struggling to get use to an anon game.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
There are pros and cons to asking for claim. The thing is in role madness game or vanilla games it can prevent a PR from being ML’d.
I get that, I do. But I don't like how the meta on this site often ends up with PRs being forced to out themselves. I understand it can't be avoided 100% of the time (excluding all Vanilla games), but I feel like it happens too often here
Agreed. Maybe I should host a mountainous game. The site wouldjt know how to play
For me its less that I do not like it, and more that I think its awful play when done without reason. There is plenty of setups and situations where mass claims make sense. In this specific game with no trackers and maybe a 1 shot role cop its just flatly harmful for the town in multiple ways with no real benefit.
A-Martin (4/7): A-Brand (p#1013), A-Flora (p#970), A-Caine (p#1141), A-Deirdre (p#991)
A-Flora (4/7): A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#1149), A-Martin (p#774), A-Fiona (p#980)
A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
This is our starting place. Screw peoples feelings and gut reads. We should hunt through the trains. 2 confirmed town train flips with a secondary we can dig into reasoning before considering our mech situation that can make follow the leader work.
Fixed. Should fit the lore to some level? I duno how to convey looking "moist" which made me laugh but aloof nerdy red head with pale skin this fits.
A-Brand wrote:
Also, I did actually change my pfp as you can see. I also hated the one my predecessor chose fwiw. Would you mind changing yours as well? I don't like it much either. Always been emetophobic
Yeah, Sorry. And thank you. Slowly digging through tons of stuff. Literally only had the vomiting thing looking at the 10 year old BDSM pic. That thing pissed me off every time I saw it legit.
I will present again that at a point the player who is Regent/Crier feels is right they could reveal and be protected by a probable town jailor who did a derp.
That town Jailor should never reveal. Even if scum reveals as they die they should shove the elimination and not CC. Gives town a semi-confirmed town to work off of.
9 players alive. 2 semi-confirmable town. We are not in the worst place but not a great start.
Also jailor exe makes Guard Captian / Vig much less likely imo.
I think that the kill is more likely a town "Jail Officer" than a scum or 3p actor for reasons of targeting and that LW.
If it was specifically mafia Interrogator the Janitor move would have made more sense to go there.
If it was specifically 3p Sadist they do not execute requiring some additional interaction.
Its just a town jailor that did a bad execution. Semi-confirmable town there regardless of what you think about their action.
The hosts response to me left room for doubt about Oberon. Apparently nobody has been mod killed but they left things open in their response.
Oberon and Bleys were two people of interest for me today before I dig into the post flip stuff. I figure I will treat them as a normal player until given reason not to.
Illusionist / Janitor is mod confirmed to exist. Interesting. Puts the mafia team at Lord of Chaos + Illusionist + ?????
Lost wolf (Traitor) if there is 3p otherwise its a question. I personally expect a lost wolf + benign / town sided 3p.
Also increases the chances of town coroner existing in the game and is semi-mech confirmable.
So Regent/Crier is in the game. Their post said some things I will not unpack but we have a self-confirming town mod confirmed in the game. Can come in clutch or scum will have to CC to counter and out them. (Whoever you are, plan to counter a CC in your messages)