the color text didnt work in that post, but i had highlighted shining green and the scum pairs in red. wierd
the color text didnt work in that post, but i had highlighted shining green and the scum pairs in red. wierd
ok so lets look at results, and take everything with a grain of salt seeing as hteres some potential poisons and drunks etc etc
there are three evil ppl in this set up, 1 demon 2 minions.
assuming shining is town, his POV should be this factorin in my and awesome results. whiteflame and pie cannot be town together tho
6.Neros/pie
7.RexFavilla/pie
8.Shining
9.whiteflame
10.wylted/pie
if shining is lying then we have
7.rex/pie
8.shining/pie
or
8.shining/pie
9.whiteflame
if i am lying and the pair isnt together then the scum combos are
7.rex/pie/banna
8.shining
or
8.shining
9.whiteflame/banana
if awesome is lying and the pair is adjacent, and shining is adjacent to one then we just ignore the pie/wf town v scum mechanic and we have the same as the first one but without pie as a partner
6.Neros
7.RexFavilla
8.Shining
9.whiteflame
10.wylted
the problem is no matter how you look at this whiteflame is implicated in every single on of these situations. not everyone can be poisoned, drunk or a red herring. the odds of the stars aligning perfectly to make whiteflame look bad in this situation... i mean thats just the most unlucky of unlucky situations for him. the sad thing is even if we lynch whiteflame and are wrong we wont know.
but out of the few chats started, it kind of doesnt help his case that him and wylted are in a pm together, and both are kind of implicated by results in 2 of these scenarios. i am thinking both wylted and whiteflame are currently scum.
thots?
so i guess we just lynch blindly, paddle around in the dark and hope for the best against an evil team who knows all roles and have the ability to tamper all investigations prolly. idk how to even play a game like this
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #184)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 11:13 PM (post #179)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/11/2026 at 6:51 PM (post #174)
With the results so far, the likelihood of WF being the Demon is very high. He’s 100% the optimal lynch. The fact he claimed and hasn’t been CCed yet, means that he is the Demon and has the fake claim.
theres a good chance hes evil, but im thinking hes gonna be minion. kind of seems bastard to put demon next to the empath npo when it could just end the game fast. but its possible. chacnes are they have a spy and are in a chat already and thats why he has that role. if wf flips scum we should look heavily at the chats made before he made that claim
It's been mentioned a couple of times, but you won't see my flip. There are roles that can investigate the dead, but unless I'm literally the Demon, you wouldn't know my flip otherwise.
thats really unfortunate
apparently i misunderstand my role and results. my results mean that the two evils are next to each other on the list. but theres a demon and two minions still.
nvm thoth is confusing the crap out of me. idek
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/11/2026 at 6:51 PM (post #174)
With the results so far, the likelihood of WF being the Demon is very high. He’s 100% the optimal lynch. The fact he claimed and hasn’t been CCed yet, means that he is the Demon and has the fake claim.
theres a good chance hes evil, but im thinking hes gonna be minion. kind of seems bastard to put demon next to the empath npo when it could just end the game fast. but its possible. chacnes are they have a spy and are in a chat already and thats why he has that role. if wf flips scum we should look heavily at the chats made before he made that claim
thoth clarified when i asked him about what a pair meant, so ig there is just one demon, one minion. makes sense
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/11/2026 at 8:03 AM (post #158)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 9:56 AM (post #155)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/11/2026 at 7:54 AM (post #154)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/10/2026 at 11:47 PM (post #98)
Our goal should be to lynch the Imp. If we do, we automatically win. The Imp is the most likely to claim right off the bat since they have the have the fake claims. Purely going off Imp hunting, it puts Banana and Shining and then to a certain degree REF cause he’s basically claiming Virgin at this point.
This is why I want WF to vote me. If we're going to lynch him anyway, that will confirm my role if there is some drunkenness/poison chicanery going on and he is actually town. If he doesn't die, we can lynch him knowing that there is a very high chance he's scum unless some sever fuckery went on
if he doesnt die u could still be scum and lying lol not saying i believe that
It'd be a dumb gambit as scum to sacrifice yourself to get one mislynch off on a player who is notoriously easy to paint as scummy and get mislynched. It'd be especially dumb as the Imp, who is the only scum player who knows who the others are and could make sure he's not engaging in friendly fire as he pulls said gambit off. It's more likely that Shining is scum if this is a gambit, as he'd get two mislynches off based on it. Or that our roles were fucked with. But those are edge cases, and Shining cannot be manipulating things that much as his role, even if he's faking it, is constrained by the player list order, which he had no input on.
again i dont disbelieve u here, one of u or wf would be scum from shining results assuming nothing wierd happened with a poison. but devils advocate if its u and not wf, using this to get him lynched and if hes the monk that might be a good trade. if ur demon u can kill urself and pass demonship on anyway, if your spy then the demon already can get the info from u if you make a pm with them before the end of the day phase. tho on that end id say it looks good that u arent in any pms atm
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 7:59 AM (post #157)
Alright, I've been told to just claim publicly at this point. I'm probably dead during the next NP, but with two knocks against me, I can't pretend I'm in a position to withhold information.
I'm the Monk.
not sure if that means much in the way of confrming u if scum have a spy, a role that can tell all roles in the game and who owns them. but ill hear other ppls thots on this, we still have 2 kind of damning results on u. for u to be town here, rex has to be scum, shining has to be poisoned, or awesome had to be poisoned, both cant. one could be drunk ig but its a lot basically needed to sell a case for town here. some of the roles had to have been left off the list so im assuming mafia have a decent good ones to choose from for fakes. anyways not much else really to say about that ig
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 7:52 AM (post #153)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 9:48 AM (post #152)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 7:33 AM (post #141)
Damn, an actual night of sleep feels good.
Looks like there's another red check on me, so I'm good with claiming, I'm just asking in my chats if they'd like to hear it first. I'm in chats with Wylted, Pie and Kohai atm, so I'll leave it to them to decide.
do u have any reason to trust them over anyone else? they all started the pm with u, just curious why u would give them info before the whole of town. if any are scum just handing them an advntge to prepare
I've got an order in which I'm doing it. I haven't told any of them yet, but I can divulge the order based on what I've seen so far. I don't see any role that can utilize this information in the middle of the DP, so I don't see how they could prepare better from knowing it a little earlier.
idk i guess i personally just dont trust any of u, even ones who recruited me. anything in my pms will be public knowledge.
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/11/2026 at 7:54 AM (post #154)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/10/2026 at 11:47 PM (post #98)
Our goal should be to lynch the Imp. If we do, we automatically win. The Imp is the most likely to claim right off the bat since they have the have the fake claims. Purely going off Imp hunting, it puts Banana and Shining and then to a certain degree REF cause he’s basically claiming Virgin at this point.
This is why I want WF to vote me. If we're going to lynch him anyway, that will confirm my role if there is some drunkenness/poison chicanery going on and he is actually town. If he doesn't die, we can lynch him knowing that there is a very high chance he's scum unless some sever fuckery went on
if he doesnt die u could still be scum and lying lol not saying i believe that
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 7:33 AM (post #141)
Damn, an actual night of sleep feels good.
Looks like there's another red check on me, so I'm good with claiming, I'm just asking in my chats if they'd like to hear it first. I'm in chats with Wylted, Pie and Kohai atm, so I'll leave it to them to decide.
do u have any reason to trust them over anyone else? they all started the pm with u, just curious why u would give them info before the whole of town. if any are scum just handing them an advntge to prepare
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 7:45 AM (post #147)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/11/2026 at 9:41 AM (post #145)
i am openly suspicious of people who opened chats btw. we know demons and minions have to get in one. pie opening up one with every player is a good way to look like hes doing something townie by opening up all lines of investigation, while also covering for him to open up one with his minion partner and not being asked why.
if its pie tho then wf would be cleared if awesomes results werent poisoned. something to chew on
Yeah, I had a similar thought. I can't help but wonder if scum would hold on forming those chats for this very reason, though. It was pretty strongly telegraphed that forming those chats would put anyone who did under the microscope. Might not stop some players from doing it, but those would be bigger risk-takers and people who didn't read the OP too closely.
i am accouting for scum holding on opening pms as well. i will give the same scrutiny to later opened pms as i am to early ones tho. not that it really means anything outstanding since good ppl could just wanna chat with ppl too
do outsiders show up as good on investigative reports?
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/11/2026 at 7:39 AM (post #144)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/10/2026 at 8:11 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/10/2026 at 3:39 AM (post #6)
so im not familiar with this game. i have information tho and i dont see any reason not to tell it. im a chef, and i was told there is only one pair of evil players. i dont think there is any more utility to my role here so i dont see saying this publicly as a big risk
OK, looking at the role:
Chef | On Night 0, you learn how many adjacent pairs of Evil players there are. A player is part of two pairs, so, for example, if three Evil players are adjacent, this counts as two pairs.
I'm still puzzling over what that means. So does that mean that the Evil players are adjacent to one another, or am I missing something? While we're at it, could this pair include a Recluse?
This, fwiw.
oh didnt see that. i assumed it just meant there was only one scum faction. now that i am re reading the role im wondering if "one pair of evil players" just means two scum, one minion, one demon. for some reason i was assuming there was 1 demon and 2 minions based on the wording of the op
i am openly suspicious of people who opened chats btw. we know demons and minions have to get in one. pie opening up one with every player is a good way to look like hes doing something townie by opening up all lines of investigation, while also covering for him to open up one with his minion partner and not being asked why.
if its pie tho then wf would be cleared if awesomes results werent poisoned. something to chew on
sorry i never saw the post with the questions, even when i looked for it lol
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/11/2026 at 7:03 AM (post #139)
Wait what
There are two teams: Good and Evil. There are no neutrals. Townsfolk are Good. Outsiders are also Good, but have roles that hinder Good. The Demon and their Minions are Evil. Good wins when the Demon is eliminated. Evil wins when there are only two players alive and at least one of them is Evil, or when nothing can prevent this from occurring.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/11/2026 at 5:49 AM (post #137)
I dunno if it’s that bastard. We would also have to figure out if the person in question was in fact evil, and they stay in the game and can continue to speak, but not vote. They still have an influence on the game and a death wouldnt be as bad as in a normal game
well if the person is a demon and we lynch then it’s auto game over. at best whoever is next to shining is prolly a minion i think
Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 8/10/2026 at 10:28 PM (post #106)
Ok guys, I am fortune teller
N1 Pie and WF
at least of them is demon/red herring
take that for what you will
my opinion, mechanically wf needs to go
can u explain ur results to me? were u told specficly that they were demon, or were u given a yes and "red herring"? wondering what the odds are u actually chose the red herring np0 or if someone skewed ur results.
what did the results say exactly
known pms
banana/wylted - started by wylted
banana/pie - started by pie
banana/kohai- started by kohai
kohai/whiteflame- started by kohai
wylted/whiteflame- started by wylted
pie/....everyone- started by pie
claims
banana - chef, one pair of evils
rex- virgin
shining- empath, one person adjacent is evil
awesome5000- fortune teller, one of pie and whiteflame is a demon the other is a red herring
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/11/2026 at 3:52 AM (post #131)
So if I understand correctly Whiteflame has two results on him that implicate him as evil?
ya thers a good chance the results are messed with, but i was telling kohai if there is any to be kind of trusted it would be np0 results since the minions wouldnt have had their chat yet. assuming there is a spy who knows who has every role, they wouldnt have been able to tell a hyothetical poisoner yet as they wouldnt be in a pm.
so its still worth presuring wf. also the poisoner would only be able to target one right? so two results that implicate wf is troubling.
theres a world where shinings result actually implictes rex though, and the poisoner got lucky to target awesome. idk theres some coincidences that could make wf town here.
on the other hand, it feels kinda bastard to give shining a np0 role like that and just throw an imp or demon on the list next to shining.
ALL RESULTS ARE USELESS. if there is a spy he knows all roles from np0
me n kohai in a chat with thoth asking questions. thoth said that storytelling isnt free form bastard, its just control over results that demons and minions already messed with.
like if a cop investigated someone and they were poisoned, the mod could say something like "you see pie investigates as fluffy puppies" instead of giving them a result. he cannot change results if there isnt a mechanic like drunk, poison, spy, recluse, mayor etc.
good to know
whiteflame ignore me im dumb i re read the OP.
Originally Posted by awesome5000 on 8/10/2026 at 10:28 PM (post #106)
Ok guys, I am fortune teller
N1 Pie and WF
at least of them is demon/red herring
take that for what you will
my opinion, mechanically wf needs to go
there hasnt been a np, how do u have results
If a player is Drunk or Poisoned, any information they receive from abilities is decided by the Storyteller, and non-investigative abilities do not work. The Storyteller may choose to give Drunk or Poisoned players true information. The Storyteller will not tell players when they are Drunk or Poisoned, and will go through the motions as though their abilities were functioning normally. Note that, in this script, Drunkenness lasts for the entire game, whereas Poisoning only lasts for a night and the following day. If a player uses a once-per-game ability while Poisoned, they may not use that ability again."
what am i missing? wf says "Especially with Drunkenness, Drunk is a prescribed role,"
where is he getting this