Banana

Wryly wrote:

Banana wrote:

so why was i told i could replace in and then ghosted…

Mikal trying to win by any means necessary ofc lol.

thats stupid Luna should have ignored him

i never death tunneled him idk why he keeps saying that. i questioned him about his role being smelly which if you look at the role list he wasn’t so he was actually cced by my justification. n i also questioned him for defending ultra. that was it. i didn’t vote him or anything i just wanted answers

i pushed Mikal and ultra dp1 lol. makes sense why i died. sorry i was so obvious with my role. i was trying to be less obvious but people kept saying i was doing some OGI thing and they weren’t reading between the lines

so why was i told i could replace in and then ghosted…

can we try this one more time, who do you win with

can u tell me your win condition

whats ur wincon

.... well ultra isnt going to do anything and ppl dont seem to pressed about it so whatever..

UNVOTE

VTL: Kohai

Mikal wrote:

I just mean you scum resd almost every game. Its kinda funny

i have valid reasons for being suspicus of u. i am also still stuck on the fact that you described ur character as smelly, mine was described the same way. it just seems funny that the mod would apply the same stereotype to 2 different races

Mikal wrote:

Lol if I can count on two people to just death tunnel me. Its you and Connor. Never fails.

whose connor? i havent death tunneled u just said it would be funny if you ended up being scum

MeowMix wrote:

1. There is 3 mafia, 1 third party, 8 town.

2. There is a Mafia Tailor.

We are so fucking dead.

op says one is a lie btw

b4 the day ends can everyone say there wincon who hasnt already

Mikal wrote:

Lowkey fine with just machine gunning those 3

if ur scum im gonna laugh so hard

so u have 4 votes on u, and instead of doing anything u double down. right.

Helz wrote:

You are around and posting, but its void of content. There is nothing I see that shows you are hunting or lets me know why you think what you think. Looking for ways to read you.

Just hanging out and existing in the thread is not a good look.

this

Thoth wrote:

Why are we pressuring Ultra? Just for the sake of pressuring at least one person today?

just read... we have talked about why were are pressuring in many times. do an iso, what about anything he has done makes you town read him? why should he get a pass to do next to nothing all day

RexFavilla wrote:

Pressuring Ultra seems silly. He's contributed at least something. Kohai's flip will tell us a lot about his affiliation given Kohai was piling on to his wagon. If its for inactivity there are better targets. Casey. Me. Why do we have four votes on him again? Seems like a desperate attempt to have a counterwagon at EoD so someone can argue 'we cant let Ultra get away with not claiming' if he's still awol and move the lynch off of Kohai.

being afk because ur busy or cant post is one thing, but having the ability to post and choosing to not do anything useful is another thing. also i thot ppl liked having 2 wagons? why cant we pressure more than one person? we have plenty of time left. if we lynch kohai we can maximize the rest of the dp still and still lynch him, but might as well get most of the ppl like ultra or are hard lurking

Wryly wrote:

Banana wrote:

i have said b4 why i town read him, but tl;dr version is i dont think he goes thru the effort doing this as scum, i dont see how it helps him at all, its not like anyone was ever townreading him for it. it just muddies water about him for no reason. the strategy just makes no sense, it seems more likely its real. second he caught onto ultras post too. i did an ultra iso and it just read like lurking, being online but not saying anything, waiting to see how things happen, then he just omguses me and kohai for pressuring him, the stalling of his claim, etc, kohai saw all this too which looks good to me.

Why do you think he shifted his position from "I was going for a calculated reaction test" to "I misunderstood Lunatic I'm too dumb for mafia"?

maybe he thought it would make him look better to play it off as a reaction test, which certainly feed the im stupid part

So for Ultra-

1- There are some things I am suspicious of but I am not confident they are scum

2- I voiced very early on that I have zero problem with a policy elimination and under pressure they have given minimal information. I can jump on board with demanding a claim but what I really want is to analyze. It drives me a little nuts how D2 every game on this site like 2/3 of the players have claimed.

3- Their elimination would create information on who was opportunistic and it would present a nice counter wagon situation against Kohai which would be useful for late game wagonomics. If we get a late game, this game feels like it could snowball pretty quickly. This has the same issue of minimal reasoning on the train with people who will say "RVS and the claim thing was weird"

im not suggesting we lynch them, just push them to do... litrly anything

Im down to push Ultra but I am unsure how effective it will be. 

the more ppl say things like this, the more outs you give them to do it, and you give other players an out to not push them.

After shoving them for reads they gave some soft positions in #399. 

yeah ive mentioned this post, he omgussed me and kohai for pressuring him

The other thing I consider is if they will be high lurk low effort regardless of alignment they are a low risk elimination for town and grow as a potential liability if they are left to exist in the end game.

well its a good go to lynch in absence of other lynches because if hes not going to do anything to solidfy being town, or to help the town progress, its not much of an impact unless he is a power role. kohai on the otherhand has been active and contribting

Helz wrote:

Banana wrote:

Helz wrote:

Banana wrote:

4- Banana is just a nice person and genuinely is buying the ATE

whats ate again

Appeal to emotion

i mean i town read him b4 that

Thats kinda what I want to see. I did not see anything to town read them on. I am curious what you see given you probably understand their play much better than I do. Its also kinda hard for me to follow their points with the drunk thing they are doing.

i have said b4 why i town read him, but tl;dr version is i dont think he goes thru the effort doing this as scum, i dont see how it helps him at all, its not like anyone was ever townreading him for it. it just muddies water about him for no reason. the strategy just makes no sense, it seems more likely its real. second he caught onto ultras post too. i did an ultra iso and it just read like lurking, being online but not saying anything, waiting to see how things happen, then he just omguses me and kohai for pressuring him, the stalling of his claim, etc, kohai saw all this too which looks good to me.

Helz wrote:

Banana wrote:

arent u the guy that purposely gives himself post restrictions to challenge himself?

Yeah. Some people keep trying to tie that fact to my first game misslynch but my refusal to claim the tiny detail of what type of doctor I was had nothing to do with why I was eleminated.

My thing this game is rather simple. Usually I just totally ignore flavor. This game I am going to grit my teeth and force myself to analyze it a decent bit. I believe I said so in the sign up thread. Its also not a challenge but I am attempting to play much more interactive this game simply because I have not done so on this site yet. I like to mix it up and it helps stop people from destroying themselves with meta reads on me when I simply have none and use all sorts of different play styles.

my point is that u said "I would have literally hard considered replacing out of a game if the host gave me a post restricted VT role under the threat of mod kill"

but admitedly do this yourself. anyways just a wierd thot that crossed my mind

Helz wrote:

Banana wrote:

4- Banana is just a nice person and genuinely is buying the ATE

whats ate again

Appeal to emotion

i mean i town read him b4 that

if you guys help me pressure ultra ill board the kohai wagon, since its proly hapening anyway, but ultra gets out of this scot free otherwise

Abandoning the drunk shtick now would only confirm his guilt and eliminate any possibility of averting a lynch. A self-vote can be unvoted; nothing can erase the evidence of abandoning drunkvoice completely and not getting modkilled.

hes already admitted dfeat and vote himself, he could just not do it and get killed for it from his mech

That said, I'm open to hearing arguments that I'm wrong

its not about right and wrong, his lynch is prolly gona happen, just want there to be some effort going into what we do if we are wrong. who is scum on this wagon and why? how many ppl get to use the pass of "we lynched him cuz dumb"? every1? or just some ppl? what do we gain from coming to the conclusion we were wrong and it was just kohais fault, not ours. just want to get effort from more ppl. casey and mago barely posted and ultra is very sus.

Abandoning the drunk shtick now would only confirm his guilt and eliminate any possibility of averting a lynch. A self-vote can be unvoted; nothing can erase the evidence of abandoning drunkvoice completely and not getting modkilled.

hes already admitted dfeat and vote himself, he could just not do it and get killed for it from his mech

That said, I'm open to hearing arguments that I'm wrong

its not about right and wrong, his lynch is prolly gona happen, just want there to be some effort going into what we do if we are wrong. who is scum on this wagon and why? how many ppl get to use the pass of "we lynched him cuz dumb"? every1? or just some ppl? what do we gain from coming to the conclusion we were wrong and it was just kohais fault, not ours. just want to get effort from more ppl. casey and mago barely posted and ultra is very sus.

Thoth wrote:

Let me put it like this. We VTNL or lynch someone today. I doubt we will VTNL. Even if we are not sure that Kohai is scum, he is clearly the scummiest option.

we still have til 11 tmorrw so this is a bit early to have this discussion

Helz wrote:

I agree that the drunken thing is off. But its something thats been off about their role from the start of the day. Im still seriously stuck on that being in the game. I would have literally hard considered replacing out of a game if the host gave me a post restricted VT role under the threat of mod kill. I just don't see that especially with the mod kill thing last game.

arent u the guy that purposely gives himself post restrictions to challenge himself?

Helz wrote:

I suppose its possible. The immediate potentials I am thinking-

1- Banana truly believes it was a gambit and I am just not understanding the level of confidence they have in their conclusion

its not confidence, just skeptcsm about everyone being eager to lynch him so quick and i was town reading him before that happened

2- Banana is spoiled by being scum and knowing the scum team grabbing town cred

if we have to lynch him im okay with it, but arugments like this happen every game, no one actually thinks some1 as scum gives them that much town cred. just trying to get max use from this if we are going to do it, and get ppl to get into better reasons why he is the lynch. that way if he IS town we can do something with it

3- Banana is spoiled by some other mech thing and not revealing

4- Banana is just a nice person and genuinely is buying the ATE

whats ate again

i also dont get why he continues the drunk thing after voting for himself and accepting defeat.

Because retracting that would make him look even more dishonest?

i mean he already self voted and acceptd his fate tho lol

I can see a world where he is town, but I don’t think it’s likely, and Mafia is a game of working from what is most likely true, not what is guaranteed.

got it, so what do we learn if he is town tho? what connections or associations do we make to go fwd, or do we just shrug and go "kohai was stupid, its his fault" and bsacly waste dp1?

Helz wrote:

Banana wrote:

seems I’m outnumbered here on kohai. my one request is that we honor the potential of him being town at least and push for anything from ultra. Bcuz if ultra ends up being scum and we mislynch kohai here it’s just extra salt in te wound if we let him go by without saying things.

Why are you so convinced they are town? Any thoughts on the other issues I pointed out

i havent read your big post yet, ive got like 3 ppl arguing with me about it so ill have to go thru that later, but its not so mch that im convinced hes town, mor that i dont really feel that confident about it. i dont see y to go thru all this effort with the drunk posting frst of all if hes scum, theres better claims. scnd wehn weve seen him as scum before he has slipped, but this isnt a standard slip it is much different, its based on a play he was making as a bait. i agree it is a stupid play, but he seems genuine. i also dont get why he continues the drunk thing after voting for himself and accepting defeat. i think he made a bad decision, but sometimes town do that too, we have seen it a lot, and i know for one i have done it a lot too. if he is the lynch im fine with it, i understand it, but i think we should be looking at people who are all in on this and not givin him any town credence. i just dont see why no one can see a world where he is town.