Banana

VTL: RexFavilla

UNVOTE

i think helz is town for the most part i think, but i do find the argument that him and mikal are inflating there fight to be a bit convincing. maybe im wrong tho

Thoth wrote:

I completely disagree that the Mikal/Helz catfight looked contrived. Mikal loves angleshooting and Helz hates it. We knew that since way before this game. Worst-case scenario is that they exaggerated a show out of the argument they would have had anyway.

yeah but they were arguing about it before any angle shooting or ogi even happened which makes it look wierder that it suddenly escalated after he did is ogi on u

Helz wrote:

Im still stuck on Rex initial "Kohai is scum for not recognizing I am town" when they had like 2 RVS votes, one post fixing a vote and a fluff post.

I duno if I am gona get around that issue even ignoring all the opportunistic scummy things I see later on

rexs answer "And honestly the whole point of me acting schizo was to see if someone would act like this because it's a scummy way to respond"

i dont like that he is trying to call out the ppl scum reading him for having bad logic, but also acknldging that he was doing something scummy as a rection test. like that makes no sense to me

Kohai wrote:

Banana wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

I don't fault Mikal for being honest about his read, I fault Thoth for PMing him outside the game to talk about it which is extremely banned in any mafia game.

Im entertaining a Mikal/Helz scum team because this OGI slapfight seems like something a scum team would use to distance with no danger of actually lynching the other player. Does it feel a bit contrived to anyone else?

it actually really really does. theres no way either of them care that much about this argument... there was a whole game in between that and amber. id go out on a limb and say they are purposefully gassing this up as a disntacn play.

Mikal / Lunatic are two players that I have absolutely zero idea how to read. Mikal's OGI / Angleshooting is disgusting as always. That said, I doubt w!Mikal gives up an easy ML like that.

was he really a mislynch? i had him as town. i feel like others did too. passing an already town read person as town confirmed doesnt do much for me honestly

VTL: Mikal

RexFavilla wrote:

I don't fault Mikal for being honest about his read, I fault Thoth for PMing him outside the game to talk about it which is extremely banned in any mafia game.

Im entertaining a Mikal/Helz scum team because this OGI slapfight seems like something a scum team would use to distance with no danger of actually lynching the other player. Does it feel a bit contrived to anyone else?

it actually really really does. theres no way either of them care that much about this argument... there was a whole game in between that and amber. id go out on a limb and say they are purposefully gassing this up as a disntacn play.

Kohai wrote:

Banana

p#295 - states they are catching up.

p#298 - agree with Banana on this.

p#299 - asks how 10 v 3 is town sided.

p#311 - sheeps lunatic and votes mago

luna never even voted mago btw i just agreed with the logic

p#312 - say's she's caught up

p#421, p#422 - finally something that isn't a one lner. Unvotes and then votes Bullish. This progression really bothers me.

p#448 - unvotes again and states they're trying to catch up (more than 2 hours ago).

A few things that strikes me about banana's ISO: The vast majority of her posts are simple 1 liners and her claiming she' catching up. I dislike the switch from mago to bullish. Banana's ISO feels so categorically different from Amber Mafia. In Amber mafia she at least made a decent effort and read list. I'm not seeing the same style of play

i can post a read list later. i do feel like ive put in effort tho, im not just posting to post or fluff posting, all my posts have been game logic and or actual reads. sorry u feel that way tho

Bullish wrote:

Banana I will tell u anything u want, pls vote mago

ill unvote til i can catch up

UNVOTE

VTL: Bullish

hi. my opinions havent changed a lot, and i still want to lynch mago. he has posted a lot but hasnt taken very many firm stances and his recent vote seems kinda random. kinda like now he got called out for not voting so he is jst casting a vote to make it seem like he is scum hunting, but there isn't effort behind it.

that said i do think some of the other ppl like bullish shining and casey should say more, so if u guys wanna pressure them it makes sense to me.

UNVOTE

anyways i think im caught up. i got work but ill be around l8er

Lunatic wrote:

More than just activity, I think it really boils down to you forming a firm direction. I’ve found it pretty easy to tell when you are town after my first run in with you in ruyi zhuan where I was completely alien to your playstyle. Since then you seem to have stuck to certain behaviors as town that I am just not noticing yet this game. I’m all for change up in playstyle and not throwing as much shade around etc, but it still doesn’t help my problem of me feeling like town mago is generally a bit more invested and seems to be trying to solve people in general. Even if you aren’t switching votes like crazy, having no hard stances is quite a change from your town play style. I feel like you would be a bit more paranoid as town, and even your reads on magic Rex and Mikal seem largely echoed reads from other players like myself. I never really thought of you as the type that would band wagon, more of the type that would challenge anyone he scum read regardless of their status or prowess. Anyways I am interested to see how your gameplay progresses I am just a bit hesitant about you for now, but I recognize it’s early in the game so I won’t push this too heavily for now. And I am a bit locked in on Rex atm. If Rex does end up being scum I suppose you could earn a bit of town cred here.

this is a good post. i think i want to pressure mago.

VTL: Magoroth

Shining wrote:

I'll try to post my thoughts before I sleep. Sympathy to Kohai and his autism, I relate. Magoroth isn't scummy to me, but I been wrong before. I remember Magoroth having a, and no offense meant, difficult personality. So far, its hard to place anyone in a hard town/scum pile besides Kohai for obvious reasons. I also don't fully understand why Mikal is getting shit for the whole Kohai IC thing. IDK. Kohai popping it right away might not be the very best ideal thing to do, but its whatever. We have a conf town, whats not to love?

ya i too think its a good thing

Lunatic wrote:

I am actually noticing a lot of similarities to debate craft mafia mago doing an ISO here. The posting style, short form answers, not many strong stances, etc.

Do an Iso of Ruyi zhuan. Tons of bigger posts, paragraphs, spacing, passionate reads, more votes etc. Iso him from the pitt same thing.

Ruyi Zhuan dp1: Mago votes shining, to wryly, to thoth, to wryly again, to shining again, to iLikePie5, to Thoth again, to Mikal, to Lunatic. A total of nine vote changes dp1.

The pitt dp1: Mago switched his vote from Vader, to Alyssa, to Wylted, to Thoth, to Rex, back to wylted, to shining, to alyssa again, to shining, back to rex. He changed his vote 10 times the whole day phase 1 of the pitt.

Lets look at his scum games.

Debatecraft mafia DP2: He slept through all of dp1 which ended very fast so we can just count this as dp1. He votes a total of two times, between pie and rex.

MAGA mafia Dp1: Total of three votes betweem whiteflame, pie and rex.

We wont count Frieren against him because he was juts inactive and unavailable. I can also give some small grace on MAGA mafia since it seemed similar but not nearly as bad. Either way I am noticing a pattern here. Mago seems to be more of a hyper poster, and voter as town, and is constantly paranoid and shifting his votes. He seems far more conservative with his votes as scum.

I am not suggesting he is outright scum yet, and I realize we are still early in the day phase, but its not rubbing me right that his only vote so far has been an RVS vote on magic, and he hasn't really tried a whole lot of scum hunting.

now that i think of it you kind of make a good point with this. now im a bit suspicius of mago

Lunatic wrote:

Thoth wrote:

I've gotten a terrible gutread on Magoroth so far. There's nothing concrete to back it. Just an unease with how he's phrased certain things. Listen to me or don't, I don't care either way.

This isn't effective scum hunting. Having a gut read on someone being scummy is fine, but what are you doing with it? Put pressure on them, ask them questions, make 'em squirm.

its page 2, u expecting him to have more than a gut read that early? thats a bit 2 high an expectatiun

And here I thought people would have liked this one. I can play unhinged open town while just disregarding something thats super vague speculation to begin with at the downside of dealing with whatever awful meta of "Tell us this exact thing or die" that blew up in the towns face before (but not for a challenge)

tbf we dont all agree with that, and i have been victim to that many times myself and am also kind of sick of it

I agree with the first half of this. I think Thoth's claim reads as towny. It sticks out as risky to me, the sort of thing scum would generally be very reluctant to YOLO on DP1. I disagree with the second half; it's very possible that the role is actually negative utility for the town, and if he waited until he actually found out what his role was to reveal it, it would end up looking WAY worse for him. Again, see Atypical Mafia

agreed

RexFavilla wrote:

Hmmm, Kohai is being retarded might be up for killing him. Helz also strikes me as a bit scummy right now.

why is helz scummy

Mag1cman wrote:

Again, you weren’t there for for last game, where we lynched Magoroth on the basis of him being less active as scum. And I did do the MAGA Mafia ISO on Magoroth. I’m not seeing any damning similarities.

i thot it was more we just got lucky after lynching an inactive, didnt think there was that much that went into it

Magoroth wrote:

Bullish wrote:

whiteflame only cares about 3 elements

Dunno what this means. Why is it I only get highly suspected at the start of the game when I’m Town?

this seems like a bit of an over react to what was probably a joke vote

Helz wrote:

So my challenge this game is that I can't use flavor at all which now seeing more setup details I am unhappy about. 

idk if t his is really a challenge, i was kind of goin to do that already cuz idk about rocks

Thoth wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

If there are 3 scum players (as balance would suggest there are) and we lynch them all back-to-back, we never reach DP4. I'd call that extremely unlikely, but no, it's not guaranteed we reach DP4.

10-3 strikes me as townsided. Are you thinking 9-3-1?

hows that town sided just curious i dont understand

Thoth wrote:

I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little

is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.

this seems pretty believble kind of a wierd claim to make up

im here catching up sorry was busy yesterday

/in

wylted wrote:

My opinion is you might as well. Or at least explain what happened to you did your vote get stolen?

i hav no idea what happened to me i kno just as much as u guys

ok im confused, am i claiming or am i not claiming

Mag1cman wrote:

Did you target yourself with some vote protection role?

no