Banana

don’t we have like 16 hours? why cant he have a chance to speak?

i think I kno who u r 2 based on that

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4 votes is a little too close for comfort and he should have a chance 2 talk. Idk i don’t like how willing kohai put him so close to a lynch either

And magic i forgot to say

looking at the vote count we are pretty divided. i still would like to hear from shining but i think ill help whiteflame for now and work on mago since he is also in the same boat as rex and shining

unvote, vote to lynch magorath

im cleansing my entire read on kohai, maybe slight town points for the soft but at this point its a late soft since their not trump so they dont get that many town points for it. and again im not a fan of the post edit kick hes on so that accrues some scum points. ill move kohai to a slight scum read

I see your additional soft so I guess I’ll also make an additional soft, although 99% chance you’ll guess it immediately. I was a former US senator.

wait a darn second i thought he was softing trump, but trump wasnt a US senator. that moves him back down a notch on the town list for me.

so... if mafia have any brain cells and we should assume they do, there are like 4 claims on the board already despite this whole soft claiming thing we were supposed to stick to. yeah partially my fault too ik. also the people who have claimed least also happen to be the four who have contributed the least to the game, so i am thinking we might have a good lead for scum between margoroth, magicman, rex, and shining. whiteflame falls in to that too, im giving him a bit of a pass tho because i town read him

now i feel dumb. rereading kohais post there probably town, unless the theme split is something wierd

I don't think Kohai has been very focused this game and his vote seemed to come up largely to have some fun with the theme, just not sure why it's still up

i dont think i picked up on that, thanks for the heads up

it seems we are agreeing on the ideas behind on most of our reads here, that makes me a bit more comfortable with the idea that you are town

This is every post we have from shining:

"Almost forgot about this game lol. I see we are softing. I am currently in the Trump administration."

"I'm a little shocked that people seem supportive of potential war with Iran."

"I'm of the opinion that theme analysis ends up being worthless 80% of the time. There can be a bumch of different things the theme could be and theme basically only exists as an extra hurdle for mafia to leap over."

"lmao its a bit too late to say that after everyone softed."

"I wouldn't put much money in a possible mod kill. I did think it was odd that Thoth edited his post because he been he long enough to know thats not allowed here. idk."

"Its DP1. Everyone is practically fluff posting. I don't care who we pressure. Pick someone, make them character/role claim and lunch them if they are especially scummy."

just a bunch one one liners and absolutely nothing that gets this ship sailing in in direction.

vtl shining to do literally anything. since im usually this person i think its fair for me to say that the some logic that is always used against me should apply to others as well

we have got one day left to make a decision so we need to start looking at who we are wanting to lynch.

my rex vote doesnt seem to be getting any traction. im not retracting my read but i dont want to waste time either, so what are we thinking as far as making a lynch happen, because atm we seem discombobulated

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here are my reads

thoth- seems pretty town to me, hes been forthcoming with his character softing and i dont think mafia have a big incentive to do this. hes been active and has posted more than a lot of people, he doesnt seem to have any hidden agendas at least for now

magoroth- hasnt really done a lot to give me a town read on him, but he seems caught up at the same time, so i dont really like his controbutions so far

magicman- i guess hes fine so far but hassnt really posted a lot either im kind of waiting to see what we will get from him, but times ticking so we need it soon

whiteflame- i am okay with him for town leaning on the town side, he been very active and he doesnt seem to be making hasty decisions and is thinking things through, on the other hand i dont know if i like the fact that he is bringing up that we have limited time but also shooting down lynch options like with my push on rex and then not offering an alternotive route instead. still mostly leaning town, but he isnt really making moves either which i kind of expect from him since he is one of the ones i remember from dart as being a good player

kohai- im torn on him because on one hand he has softed a lot and basically narrowed down his character which again is not something i would expect scum to do, but the heavy focus on the post edit thing is a bit sus to me, like does he really think if thoth was mafia he would draw attention to himself like that by editing a post so obviously? i would like to see some deeper stuff from them

shining- leaning this person as being scum, similar to mogorath hasnt really said anything important, seems heavily offended by the idea that anyone should dare talk about the theme but also offers nothing insifightful or meaningful to progress things. ironically hes doing the thing that wylted is acussing me of doing by being contrarian to everything suggested the only difference is hes not suggesting a path forward.

wylted- i think his read on me is kind of dumb but i also think hes trying to get a reaction out of me which feels like he is probly town. if his read isn't to bait me, i think hes just holding like my first couple games against me where i was a little emotional, but i dont know if he is forgetting some of my last games on dart, so idk. i really dont think mafia would show so much convinction on a read like that and he seems to actually think hes onto something here, not just lurking to take whatever easy oppertunity presents itself so i am leaning mostly town on him as well

thats what i got for now, sorry these arent the best

At the risk of being self-serving, I think we should drop this angle on principle. What I did was wrong, but also inconsequential. If you don't believe me, ask Savant to check.

the only one still mentioning it is kohai and well u. i think we can move past this

It's not really a question of how much you've contributed, more one of what kinds of contributions you're giving. He's pointing to a pattern of behavior. It doesn't scream "scummy" to me, but it is a little off of your normal style of play looking back through our games on DART. It's been long enough and your interactions are consistent enough that I'm not automatically scumreading it, and it's not like you've never contradicted others' reads and thoughts about the game setup before, just seems like that's common to your responses this game and that stands out. I get where wylted's coming from at least.

well i def know im not good at this game but im trying my best to do better. im open to feedback about my playstyle but i dont think ive been doing anything scummy personaly. i feel like ive been bad in the past mostly because of inactivity and nt being caught up, so im making a point to try and be more active

Can't a mod just look at the previous post version and see that all I did was add a missing word? And you all know I wouldn't edit something game-related anyway.

honestly who really cares, if anyone is trying to lynch you for that they are probably scum

It's not a gut read but she is sticking out as scum to me.reread her posts and see if she is scum hunting or just commenting on other people's analysis by randomly contradicting them in tiny ways to generate conversation and appear to be scum hunting.

i feel like ive contributed to the game more than a quite a few people have.

I am like 90% sure that banana is scum I don't want to put a lot of effort into corralling you guys and since we have no good choices other than her let's just lynch her.

lol idek what to say to this, lynch me ig :0

unvote VTL banana

She always folds to pressure so we will immediately know if she's scum once we get three votes on her. Might as well do it

if i was scum telling me your strategy kind of defeats the purpose if you were trying to get a reaction out of me lol also i have basically already claimed so idk what you want to accomplish here

There are other elements of his play that make him questionable for me, but this reads as more of a towntell or NAI from REF. He's more likely to be invested and following the game if he's scum.

but if he knows this is a common tell of his wouldnt as scum he want to try and blend in by acting like that

Relative lack of participation on your part is pinging me a bit. You started off the DP saying you'd be busy, came back in and sussed me for seeking softclaims before just providing yours and, later, calling it "weak softing" without "much purpose." Would like to get some thoughts on the DP so far, since all I'm seeing here is inconsistency.

VTL Magoroth

shining seems to fit this category as well, doesnt seem to really post anything of substance but critizes people for making theme analysis even though he doesnt offer anything to go on in its place

vtl rexfavilla, i feel like im pretty lazy and inactive, but even im caught up, im getting the impression he hasnt read the game and is looking to follow other peoples opinions. asking for some case on thoth instead of just reading a few posts himself to find out, seems like he isnt that invested in the game

Are people up for Thoth? What's the case for him?

i dont wanna lynch thoth, hes been pretty forthcoming with his soft claims to the point where if i was to go rogue i could probably guess who he is, and no one was forcing him to claim either so if he is scum we have to assume mafia just didnt want to use their questions yet or they used them really early already and were super confident in a claim. its possible. is there any specific reason you want to lynch him, because right now hes my towniest read

I’ve felt that softing is a double edged sword for quite some time. I’ve always just cooperated to avoid wasting time/distracting people/getting mislynched.

Hm. I suppose we can open up more of a discussion about it in this game.

i am seeing a lot of people say this, nd its starting to paint the picture that this is something we just do out of tradition or something. any reason not to break it?

I don't think we can assume much of anything about the split at this point. Thoth was asking earlier about whether we're all real people and, from the looks of things, everyone falls into that category. We know that scum were given 4 questions, which suggests they needed both fake character and role claims and therefore couldn't just straight up claim their characters (I doubt Pie gives them that many questions if they could), so whoever scum is, they're not straight up MAGA figures. As has been suggested by several people, though, that leaves a lot of options. Could be Democrats are scum, could be former MAGA members or at least complicated figures in the space, could be RINOs or Republicans who are outright antagonistic to Trump. Thoth pointed back to where Pie said that the game encompasses "various players in the MAGA Movement," but that might just apply to town members and not to scum.

i think we will learn more about the theme as we progress in the game, but yeah the soft claim list is def a good start

i mean if you think about it, its MAGA mafia, so why would there be any dems at all

Shining, Banana, Kohai, and Mag1c are all in the Trump administration currently

Wylted, REF, Magoroth, Thoth and I are all in Trump's orbit and are/were not in the Trump administration 1.0/2.0

Wylted, Magoroth, and Thoth have either said straight up or insinuated that they are/were political figures

I'll give a little bit more detail for my softclaim as well. My character has not (yet) held any political office.

from this it seems pretty clear that there are either no dems or dems are scum. which means the theme split could be potentlly complex if its not just dems vs repubs.

im thinking theres something to this tho that will become clear when more people are in the graveyard

I get your logic, I just don't function under the pretense that the first person we push to claim will be scum. It's not super likely and the result of anyone else claiming is that it narrows the available options for fake claims to ask about. We will have to pursue claims regardless, but my point was that we have to be careful about how many claims we get this DP so as to reduce the information scum have on hand. We should limit the field of choices by as little as possible so that when scum ask their questions, they are more likely to be told a given character or role are in the game and therefore have to just guess at who and what roles are not, increasing the chances they're CC'd.

well ur much more experienced than me so i will take your word for it. im not fully suggesting we claim frivosly but mostly trying to say that if we have a good scum pursuit and say they are acting super scummy to multple ppl we should not be afraid to pursue a claim from them to alleviate the pressure, tho i guess thats kind of obvious that someone close to getting lynched would probably claim first.

I never suggested this. Usually I ignore these statements but I have found for whatever reason if statements like this go unchallenged then people end up believing them, especially if any discussions pop up around them.

sorry i meant thoth and kohai

I'm of the opinion that theme analysis ends up being worthless 80% of the time. There can be a bumch of different things the theme could be and thene basically only exists as an extra hurdle for mafia to leap over.

ur not wrong, but anything that generates activity and gets people talking, forming opinions and conclusions, and getting us more of a read on them can't be bad for the game can it? theme isn't everything, i actually think behavior is more important, but since we dont have a ton of that to go on i think this can get the ball rolling