Banana

Your posts were pretty fire despite being under pressure, props

ty, i just need to work on my skills at convincing other people the way pie does, that whole ordeal was an uphill struggle but it seemed ez for him lol

and i knew you were town, i had town read u from the beginning, ur my only read that i was like 100% sure on and never changed all game

aww pie was actually scum... darn it i tried guys

anyways I don’t really have time to keep

responding to everything pie is saying here, n it’s getting repetitive. here’s what I’ll say tho, pie is making a lot of assumptions about balance and mechs that he can’t possibly know n that are heavily based on his opinion but disregarding my own opinions about a cc with an even night slanderers. he keeps making excuses for himself but is bein a giant hypocrite. its okay to use bad logic to accuse me but he uses the same logic to defend himself. u all can read everything and see it for ur selves but he is not arguing in good faith, his sole intention is to get me mislynched at all costs.

i am town. i really dont know what more to say other than it sucks to be lynched bcuz people are choosing not to believe my role. idk what to do about that. this is the role the mod gave me. at least i wasn’t directly cced like pie was.

She’s not new anymore lol. She literally fake outrage at Mikal for 4 DPs straight to hard bus him and they both won that game

mikal took the lead on all of that plus i got lynched in the end on that one. also if ur saying i was outrage in that one what r u saying the similarity is here cuz im not outraged

Town can use those roles to harm scum. Your role…ONLY HARMS TOWN.

not necessarily. what if it Vader was gonna do something he passionately thought was to help town but I saw it differently. like say he could kill wryly or something. i townread wryly so i would probably veto that. also if he is t doing something like that im just gonna not use the role so it doesn’t matter. it should only be used against me if i use it in a scummy way, which im not gonna.

You’d feel silly when I flip town if you’re town. But you’re gonna be happy when I flip town as scum.

im jus sayin ur scum reading me for my actual role that i have is actually silly. i have no control over the role the mod gave me. are u just going to blame the mod when ur wrong here or what

So…you were bandwagoning both times. You just voted the left to never be seen again twice. 

i agreed with the scum tells and plus we needed to get lynched off. would it be better if i never voted at all? n the part about me never to be seen again is wrong, ive been here and ive been open about my reads all game. ive been just as active as u if not more so i dont wanna hear that

This is just wrong. I sussed Mago before he did the whole Framer thing. The fact that you’re being this disingenuous and people are buying this just shows we don’t deserve to win the game. Town just falls apart when I can’t carry. And then I do, I get NKed. This isn’t even fun anymore.

sounds like u have a bit of an ego there…

i reject that i am being disgenuous…

Thats exactly what you’re doing because the premise of your argument is there can’t be 2 Slanderers when there are literally 2 Benefactors, and you’re one of them.

ur purposely ignoring the part about synergy and gaslighting my argument. 2 EVEN night slanderers. my benefactor and kohais is odd/even. even Whiteflame agreed this is odd

I already said I don’t scumread you for that part. But you pinged everybody and specifically pointed out how everything is connected except my one role. Your role makes ZERO SENSE with a townie.

that’s an opinion not a fact, and it happens to be wa wrong opinion bcuz i am town and this is my real role

So again. Do you think I’m lying about claiming Even night Slanderer? Because it’s a confirmable role. It’s in the OP that there are multiple roles like that. If there are 2 Benefactors, why can’t there be 2 Slanderers?

yes i do n ill use the same argument Whiteflame jus used on me, if you haven’t proved ur role yet you cant say ur confirmable like it means anything just like i cant yet because there was no even night phase

Im talking about my Lynchproof that I can unlock with a little more favor. You conveniently ignored that too. So ya I can confirm my slanderer, and I can confirm my lynchproof.

my response to this is the same as the above. y do you get a pass to live to confirm ur role but I don’t

i gotta go to work guys ill be back a bit later

True. That's my point, though: no one has been able to confirm their even night role, so much as it does matter to have the claims on the table now, it's not all that useful to determine who is telling the truth.

thats fine as long as the logic is being applied to everyone else as well

If someone can answer why REF would give town would give town a role that can only Roleblock mod-confirmed town, I will literally vote myself. I’m tired of all this bs. Pie is scummy cause he feels off. No shit. I’ve been bombed at work. This is obviously not how I play. Everyone here has seen how I play. It’s retarded.

thats not even y im voting u

It doesn’t make sense for a Townie to receive the role she received. If the Emperor is mod confirmed town, why give town the ability to veto that. That’s a direct counter to a mod confirmed town.

i can say the same thing about slanderer, and redirector

All the custom roles tied to this game have unique names that do not show up on any site. You’d have to believe that REF custom named all of these roles besides ONLY Banana’s, which makes zero sense

well thats actually my role so ur gonna feel real silly for this one later

Behavior. I did a quick iso of Banana. She has only placed 2 votes prior to this DP. The first was on Mago who was the wagon on DP1. The second was Thoth, who was the wagon on DP2. And both votes had no explanations besides “they seem to be the lynch.”

this is a lie. i voted mago because of his framer fake claim and i voted thoth because he was inactive and i was buying into the arguments against him. this is also hypocrtcal because you have been inactive, you bandwagoned onto mago dp1 and werent even there to vote yesterday. today uve just been hard tunneling me. ur votes r equally bad sir.

Behavior. She OMGUS’s me and joins the wagon that was already created on me vs going for Mago who she basically lets go with a slap on the wrist of “you’re dumb.”

i dont scum read mago, i scum read u. and again its not omgus cuz im not jus votin u cuz u voted me. i went over that already with u.

Behavior. In the post where she describes complements to all the flipped roles and claimed roles, she leaves out that I claimed Strengthener and that it counters multiple roles that have flipped.

this makes no sense bcuz im not scum reading that part of the role. the same can apply to u ignoring the even night benefactor of my role so u can focus on the one that looks worse.

Behavior. She’s scumreading me because there are 2 Slanderers, but she’s town even though there are 2 Benefactors. The arguments are so weak here.

ur ignoring the part im talking about where theres no syngergy with two even night slanderers, but there is syngergy between odd/even and tracker/watcher. etc. ur argument is weaker sir.. even whiteflame says this was suspicus

And guys, I CAN LITERALLY CONFIRM MYSELF TOMORROW.

i can too but it wouldn't be pro town for me to do it. also what if u get roleblocked or something

I agree, their being on the same night stands out a bit to me as well, I'm just hesitant to jump on the CC train for that reason alone. As for your questions, I don't expect you to defend yourself against this. I know that's an impossible lift, that's why my gutread is that I don't think you'd claim this as scum. I'm also not just going to ignore them or treat you being town as a given because you claimed this role. It would not be a first for someone to claim what looks like a scummy role and try to get towncred off of the WIFOM thinking that stems from that. If Thoth had claimed Redirector, I would have felt similarly in that instance. Mikal hadn't claimed his role, either. I get being frustrated about this, but you're acting like I'm being inconsistent in how I'm applying it.

ur being a bit more reasonble with it, but vader suggested he is okay with my lynch and indicates no behavior read, and pie is wanting my lynch just for the role as well, so even if its not u, it is happening on some level

I don't see how it's unfair to point out that the role you claim you can confirm isn't yet confirmed.

im sayin it cant be used against me bcuz i have not had the oppertunity to use it. same goes for anyone else with an even role right?

My point is that I can't remove you from POE. That's it. I'm not scumreading you, I don't have my vote on you, but I can't put you in my town pile. I don't get what's frustrating about this.

well ur the only one respondin to me about this, but im more venting in general not directing it at you if that makes sense

now i know what u were going through on dp1 and i sincerely apologize

Your Siren is effectively an RB on the mod-confirmed town player in this game. Pie's and Wylted's Slanderer is not only mod confirmed to be in this game (from OP: "Other roles can also increase, deduct, or transfer favor."), but it was previously established that there would be multiple of these roles in the game (again, from the OP: "Multiples of these roles exist in the game."), several of which had already been claimed.

ok sure but if it was odd/ even slanderer even that would make more sense since me and kohai have odd/even night benefactor. or even if me and kohai were both odd/odd and pie n wylted were even/even that would have syngery as well. as far my role goes, just put urself in my shoes for a second ok? lets say u have the same role and u know u r town. how do you defend against this argument that i must be scum because i have a scummy role? i have no control over that. and the same scummy role logic didn't apply to thoths redirect or towards mikals favor taking thing, or apparently to 2 slanderers whose only point is to take favor from people! can u at least see how frustratin this is from my pov?

As for the Benefactor, you get full credit for being able to confirm your role, though I'll point out that a) you haven't yet,

i would have loved to but there was no night phase 2 because of mikal so that is kind of unfair

b) scum could have favor-distributing roles.

so u can buy that but theres town people with scum roles so its what is even ur point? argh!

Did I ever say I was scumreading you? You've been in my POE for a while now, but I've been hesitant to push you for a reason (see above).

it jus seem liked u were suggesting that cuz you questiond wylted for town reading me, but ok

mago makes a good point earlier tho about the inactives. unless we honestly think all the scum r just inactive that being the main reason to lynch kohai feels kind of weak

The whole favor system and what balance would look like for roles affecting it is difficult to parse. We know there are multiple roles affecting its allocation. Hell, if our reads are right, two town players in Shining and Wryly effectively got identical passives with different names. I'm taking CCs with a hefty grain of salt this game.

okay so I don’t buy into all that but even if i do give u that one, i still don’t understand 2 things. why isn’t pies slanderer not scummy but my action is, and why is it okay that he was pressurin shining for a CC when his role was just CCed. Ok letts add a third one in there, why is my veto role more scummy than my confirmable benefactor role?

I'd like to understand where this read on Banana is coming from

and i would like to kno y u r scum reading me. so far it seems like its based on half of my role pm only

I personally don’t have a problem with lynching Pie or Banana at this point

if u do lynch me i just want to kno what i could have done better or differently cuz it seems like im being lynched cuz of my actual role n not my behavior. if im wrong tho lmk

If there can be 2 Benefactors, why can’t there be 2 Slanderers lol. And you’re accusing me of hypocrisy?

the 2 benefactors are on different night tho! Y would the 2 slanderers be on the same night? all these roles seam to have some kind of syngery to them except yours… odd/even, watcher/tracker of different nights, then randomly two even night slanderers… it doesn’t make sense.

What are you even talking about? What hypocrisy? You and Kohai both claimed Benefactor. I’m not scumreading you for that. I’m scum reading you for your Siren claim. There is no objective reason to give a role that functions like that to Town considering the Emperor is mod confirmed town. It only makes sense in the hands of scum.

u kno what im talking about. U were trying to scum read shining or wryly for the cc of their passive last dp, or are you denyin that? Cuz it’s tru. And it’s funny you say my role only makes sense with scum when you can litrly take peoples favor away! I give favor and can confirm that on an even night phase. but ur saying im scum for one part my role but not town for the other part? U have flaws in ur logic here mr pie

Very convenient of you to ignore my Strengthener claim

ok what about it? my point is there is 2 slanderers, and no one is sayin anything about it. what does the strengthen have to do with my point

Nice OMGUS

its not omgus if im voting u for another reason besides u voting for me. im voting you because of the hypocrsy of being against cc's to everyone but urself.

Because multiples of these types of roles exist per the OP. And I can confirm it tonight

so multiples of the same roles are aloud to exist for u only? k got it.

vtl pie.

oh, Lunatic will probably say something like “You are being delusional again” or whatever amounts to making me sound like I’m biased against him, he did the same thing with banana I think. Banana suspected him and he raged. But his reaction was quite telling, it implied he was townreading Banana, because why the hell would a town player rage at someone they scumread for scumreading them.

the only read i made about luna was that he was null. that was like in dp1 when i posted my reads, i dont kno what ur even talking about. but feel free to qote this exchange. ur either confusin me with someone else or makin this stuff up

Sorry, I’m kinda mentally checked out of this game at this point. I don’t know who it is and I’m just voting for the sake of voting.

thats pretty unfortunate since im town. if im going to be lynched it would be cool to have a better reason for it. u didnt like when it was happening to u right?

Wrt why I said you were scummy, well I have a vibe that you’re being… cagey? It could just be me. I don’t know how to explain it.

i guess i dont know what that means but if u dont kno how to explain it then i guess neither do u really. oh well

We are both even night? Odd, you think it would be separate nights. But since pie did babe the role it has to be genuine. He wouldn't pull that part out of a hat

what does babe the role mean?

To be honest, I’m mostly ignoring the mechanical information, at least with regards to which setup makes the most sense, because this is way too complicated for my tiny brain.

thats odd considering you said u r voting me even though u dont scum read me. so ur ignoring both mechanical and behavior information in this game. great

Half the town roles are duplicated, so I don’t think it means anything.

what other roles? only thing i can think of is the passives wryly and shining have, but they are both called different things at least. only other duplicate role is the benefactor me and kohai have but its mixed to odd/even night. nothing else is duplicated. the town roles all seem to syngerize with each other as well, like tracker and watcher, vigilante pairs with the unkillable roles like one of whoever whiteflame and luna is are commuter, thoths bulletproof, and i am a ascetic in my final rank as well, so this shows that there is counters to the multiple killing roles after certain ranks since there is also a scum poison.

the bigger questions than just the cc though, are why are people being hypocritcal and saying my role should be labeled as anti town when we have two slanderer claims, as well as thoths redirector and mikals role that steals two favor? why is is my role more "anti-town" than those? my benefactor is also pretty pro town is it not?

can someone explain to me why no one is questioning the fact that we have two even night slanderers in wylted in pie? am i missing something, or are we just okay with that?

VTL Banana

I don’t even really scumread Banana, but I definitely prefer Banana over Pie. And would prefer Lunatic over Pie. Still don’t understand why people townread him. I think he’s a good player and can easily seem town, so to me it looks NAI (but I have the benefit/disadvantage of more personal interactions with him so it looks scummy on a deep level to me)

wait so ur voting someone u dont even scum read after blaming luna for mislynching thoth? you are a very confusing person good sir

I'm honestly burned out rn so y'all can think whatever you want

I will get no tracker results but I can still uselessly target people to track, so I suppose I could track Shining this NP and he would detect my visit. Closest thing to confirmation I can give y'all

this is a great idea actually. worst case scenario scum waste an action on you to stop this, and thats better than them using it on someone else. that said i still think ur town