I do apologize if I will not be myself this game. Im not right in the head at the moment.
But given we are in a situation where flavor is AI forcing a lie from scum players could help lead us to a good elimination. I do fear anti-claim mechanics existing but I kinda rolled a dice and said fuck it. In this game format if nothing else I can use it to break RVS depending on peoples engagement with the subject.
Yeah, I figured. Its fine. While I would not have originally signed up I accepted it quickly and moved on. I very much need a distraction in my life at the moment and figured playing through would just be healthy for me.
This might be of use to you:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45881-Helz-guide-to-improving-as-a-player-Part-2-Fundamentals-of-Scum-Hunting?highlight=fundamentals+scum+hunting
Draft of a guide I was making for MU once upon a time. It will give you an idea of how scum hunting mechanically works.
We could. Although I could personally see that being added on either alignment so I do not see it as AI. Confirming it also risks a hammer if 2 people post a vote at the same time.
NoAhLeEcLaRk claiming quickly is interesting. I feel a player new to Mafia would be a little more reserved in revealing information that could get them killed if they rolled scum. But also they may have been sheeping Kohai's play.
Unless someone has paranoia of anti-claim flavor I suggest we just all out the stuff to begin with. I also suggest everyone posts a N0 peek.
Oh. It appears there was a correction to the player list.
VTL: Shining
When we went to grade school Shining use to tell me I was ugly and my mum dresses me funny. I held a grudge.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 1:40 PM (post #15)
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 2:37 PM (post #14)
VTL: Banana
The fact they were not immediately in the thread must mean they are busy in scum chat scheming in a high backed chair.
Why?
They were hosting a pizza party on the island but they only offered cheese pizza. While I do not particularly dislike cheese pizza sometimes you get a craving for something else ya know? I felt that was rude of the host so I did not bother showing up to their cheese pizza party.
Im slightly confused. I asked pre-game if flavor was AI and was told no. Game starts and there is a theme split. I am inclined to think that split makes the flavor AI but I am not certain.
I am Ehud Barak. Kohai being Bill Clinton makes 2 world leaders. Could be something to poke around.
I suppose we can run the game as quickly or slowly as we want so long as we get it done by next week. Unfortunately this will create motive for Mafia players to lurk or skip through days using inactivity for cover to avoid a train and such. I am not sure how we can counter that depending on how much TPR we have available.
Standard opening this time around..
If I am a cop my N0 peek is RexFavilla.
VTL: Banana
The fact they were not immediately in the thread must mean they are busy in scum chat scheming in a high backed chair.
When I have the time and brain cells to dedicate to the site we should consider doing a cross community event. Good stuff comes from that
LOL!
Heyyy. How you been brother. Sorry I disappeared for a bit. Life decided I had to travel around and deal with a situation >.<
Fair
/Sign assuming flavor is not AI
If it is just disregard my sign up.
Is flavor AI?
/reserve
I am unsure what time I will have. A lot depends on when it starts but it looks like a really cool game.
Do you feel what I am giving here is not player feedback? That it does not come from conversations with people in this community and people looking at getting into this community?
I am not sure how my words can be treated as anything other than "player feedback"
Oh I get that. I just like the concept of players influencing the structures of games they enter as a design mechanic. The very concept of people picking what they think is fun in a game creates for a more enjoyable player experience.
Pretty wild style of game. Users create a role which is passed to someone else and the mods balance it out.
My favorite piece of it is that its the closest thing I have found that really identifies what people find fun in mafia games. There is lots of small details like users also have to make their own avatar using very low tech paint programs and such and its 100% anon which breaks meta but probably one of the greatest styles of Mafia I have personally encountered.
/reserve
Duno if I will have the time but this looks super cool. Almost like the KRC concept.
To be very honest- people say the same exact thing about sites.
You have someone that does a bunch of dumb shit that the site lets happen and people say "Fuck playing over there" Its not an isolated issue. Allow it to happen and people will avoid the site.
I would like to see the site grow. This is a very low standard I am suggesting. One that pretty much every site out there has a much higher standard for. If people want to say fuck it thats ok. Also makes me shrug and say "Why should I bother trying to grow this place"
Mag1cman wrote:
For the record, I think it would be good for hosts to give OoO in sign-ups. I just don’t think they should be required to do so.
I absolutely agree.
My entire take is that they should have one but not be required to disclose it.
The lack of one existing is a huge problem unless you have a lot of faith in the experience of that host or have a very basic setup
I would like to preface this saying I am not going after a specific issue that happened on this site or in a game. I would just like to push the point being made.
I would question if there is a difference between OGI and lying about OGI in some respects.
So lets say I hard claim that X player is talking to me in DM's while being inactive in game. True or not- We now have out of game information to deal with right?
Or lets say I claim the host told me X when they told me Y. I have now made the host an involved participant in a conflict and forced them to consider what they say which will impact the game one way or the other because of information outside of what a player was given (OGI)
Did it matter if it was a lie or not? The impact is the same with players being forced to consider information they did not have either way. They are being given information from outside of the game which is the entire point.
Lunatic wrote:
3- Require hosts to have an OoO and reveal if a setup is bastard. Game integrity on this site is questionable but those two factors have come in front of me in the short time I have been here. Would be a substantial improvement as the community grows. If hosts make up the OoO as the game goes on it is bastard 100% giving them real time influence on what happens.
The problem is probably just that there isn't a universal agreed upon OoO. I think mafia night kills and role blocks should take precedence over most things, if not all (IE a night kill is functionally a roleblock as well if successful against anything other than a doctor target). But some people mod things in wierd ways
Sorry, Meant to tag you on that one but did not hit the right button.
I personally think OoO is how you really tune the true balance in games. Designating specific roles to act before others can either nerf or buff them. I do not think having a rigid OoO established as an absolute is healthy to balance at all. It should be custom to every single game.
But also a host having an actual real no shit OoO removes the bastard element of them making it up on the fly. Thats the critical issue I do not see a way around. You either just declare your game bastard and the host will decide things in real time directly impacting the game which is the highest level of bastard or you expect your hosts to think of every possible situation. Or you just have hosts actually make their own OoO that fits their game even if they do not reveal it and stick to it.
Anyone thats hosted a real amount of games has been in that situation where some question they did not think of gets put in front of them and they know they will directly shift the game depending on how they answer. Thats unavoidable to some extent but also this key element being ironed out helps to prevent it from happening in the first place. A generic OoO should never be the answer imo.
Kohai1 wrote:
Helz wrote:
Tiny wish list on features
4- VTNL added to the mod bot. Apparently you can not vote to not eliminate right now. Thats not great.
The mod bot right now is a bit weird since there's two different drop downs. However, on the left where it says "Vote" you can select "Unvote" and "No lynch." No lynch is definitely possible with our bot. I'll work on refining the voting dropdown in the next push
Ah, I am just dumb. Usually what it boils down to.
But thanks for all your hard work. I really appreciate the changes your making.
Thoth wrote:
The + represents a catch-all of inclusion. Anyone who wants to join your community is welcome to. Why the hell not?
It turns out that wasn't Wryly's real justification. I was going to say that I can think of several groups who want to be included in the + and don't get much acceptance.
Honestly from my experience some groups have been damaging to others in the movement. I have lines but I am generally absolutely accepting of anything someone wants to do to their own body. That changes hard and fast when consent is in question.
You even have a fracturing of the movement where some of LGB does not want association with TQ or +. There is a reason for that I understand both sides of.
For the extreme example I joked about in the game the consent of animals. Probably not a great topic of discussion to be entangled with someone who is just in love with someone of the same gender and wants to be married.
Or a less extreme one having a child lop off some bits and bobs while doing life altering permanent hormone therapy's before they are even considered responsible enough to have a tattoo or vote.
Tough discussion to be had on the subject but I see lines on both sides I get. I also never got the over sexualization bit. Like.. I get a man loving a man or a woman loving a woman but what the fuck does some dude in assless leather chaps and nipple tassels have to do with that shit? Thats not about loving someone of the same gender- thats just being a pervert in public..
/in
Considering doing a bastard variant with a massive twist or something a little more normal for me that runs some custom mechanics.
You don't.
If the community was bigger I would advocate for a setup approval process. Pretty common thing in larger communities where some old mafia heads sit around looking over setups and ask a bunch of questions to hammer out problems they see in balance.
The idea is not to have some "everyone follow this OoO" plan. Its just to prevent the unintentional bastard situation that inevitably comes when a host never made an OoO to begin with and suddenly a question is asked they did not anticipate or suddenly a combination of actions happens they did not think about and now they have to make a decision that will directly impact the game- Which is utterly the highest level of bastard. They then directly impact the game in their judgement.
I also saw hosts that wanted to run full closed setups either request approval behind closed doors 'or' they would simply role flood throwing in a ton of extra stuff that would be carved out when they ran the setup to prevent anyone from being spoiled.
This place has a weird middle ground I think is the worst for everyone where an OoO may or may not exist and is not communicated directly but is if you ask 5,000 questions which is just some total bullshit. Either tell me or don't tell me but demand I ask 5,000 questions so I can know? That sucks. And one day I am going to actually try hard in a game and the host is going to hate me as I ask about 10 questions of every possible role to break down the closest absolute understanding I can get in that weird fucked up dynamic.
But yeah- Even if an OoO is not gona be revealed to players its super important that it 1000% exists to prevent unintentional bastard situations we all have encountered at one time or another when we have hosted.
Tiny wish list on features
1- Add a link for reply's to show what post someone replied to. Small bit but big thing where players constantly have to guess what someone is replying to which is rough.
2- Add spoilers that cut sections of text behind a button. Small thing but huge to consolidate information for hosting or try hards giving a lot of information in a post. I really cant imagine hosting a game here without one.
3- Require hosts to have an OoO and reveal if a setup is bastard. Game integrity on this site is questionable but those two factors have come in front of me in the short time I have been here. Would be a substantial improvement as the community grows. If hosts make up the OoO as the game goes on it is bastard 100% giving them real time influence on what happens.
4- VTNL added to the mod bot. Apparently you can not vote to not eliminate right now. Thats not great.
I personally think Bastard factors should always be revealed and games must have an OoO prior to starting. I do feel that the majority of games here people make up their own OoO as they go which is kinda bullshit.
Should bastard mechanics be disclosed? I would say yes.
In favor of this sites thing for having nonstop closed setups I think it would be best disclosed in categories.
Break it down something like-
Bastard 1- Mod results may be false because mechanics change them. Things like Tailors or Janitors may exist but were decided pre-game
Bastard 2- OoO may not exist and may be made up on the fly as the host does the game. While there is not an intent to manipulate the game as it goes on the potential exists. Insane modifiers or mechanics may exist on roles that reverse their result
Bastard 3- Your win condition may be changed with functions like a cult or blackmailer placing obligations upon your slot that were decided pre-game
Bastard 4- Core facts of the game such as win conditions or mechanics may flatly be a lie but are decided pre-game
Bastard 5- The host will directly impact and influence the game as they desire after the game has started
Something like this could be healthy to be disclosed. Could probably refine such a list quite a bit as well.
