Well relax. That should be verifiable.
I am just saying that the issue is not if its possible or not in the game to use abilities without guilds and more that people are looking at a direct conflict in your statements. And that can be looked up easily enough.
I am trying to stay all the way off your back while everyone else is so focused on you and I just want more focus everywhere; but I do feel that your position is a bit unfair to say.
You seem to have claimed you have an ability that required for you to be in a guild to use while also saying that it does not require you to be in a guild to use it.
Yes, the OP does reflect that such mechanics can exist. The issue people have is not about if they can or can not exist but rather you voicing diametrically opposed statements on if such a mechanic exists in your role which is a weird thing to get confused on. I would not write that off if I were in your shoes.
I would disagree. I am less interested in your thoughts on them and more interested in your thoughts on other people.
But while I am not trying to rush you I am getting vibes like you are just kinda hanging out instead of hunting. Any thoughts on players you can provide as you read into the game?
Annnd I now question if Mafia is talking about AI generated images in their chat and squinting my eyes at the active players. A part of me wants to ask the host if dead mafia players keep access to scum chat and the other part just wants to face palm a bit.
Im not sure if a real counter wagon on this one will be possible depending on how Alyssa comes back. I will hold back on unpacking some of my reasoning I have not said. Enough people are already focused there but we would need something wild to really kick off a true counter train.
I would rather not push my reads yet. A lot of my paranoia is that we have a lurker problem with scum in that group. Me taking too strong of a position will translate to them sheeping my reads while I would rather hear them naturally and remove their ability to mirror.
I get it. But there is chess and there is checkers.
Cool, we have the good move today thats likely gona happen. Im worried about how we position to have a good move 5 turns from now. I think it will be unhealthy for the town to just shut down and skip D2.
Probably.
There is just also this thing I feel town does when they feel they 100% have settled on a target they get lazy and stop hunting. We need more hunting and positions taken for the later days. Totally uncontested trains are unhealthy imo.
Every single day I want a train and a counter train personally. Forces people to make decisions and later when you can tell 1 train was town and the other was scum you get hard data on voting patters that hold huge value late game.
Understood. I just do not see the point of speedrunning the game when we are at the start of a 96 hour day cycle with new replacements who have not posted and low content players existing.
Fair. I suppose they did replace in. Forgot about that.
Im kinda all on board for shoving our lurkers today for the earlier part of D2.
Vote: Awesome5000
Come and play sir~
Vote Count:
Awesome5000 (1/9): Helz
(Reposting)
So we confirmed Alyssa was honest about that function. Lets not blitz them and actually take time for content and lurky players to play.
How funny would it be if Alyssa was actually some Vengeful Mafia that just did a kamikaze play? (No real chance of that but it did pop in my head and make me giggle)
Assuming votes reset and we did not just have a silly fast day..
Vote: Awesome5000
Come and play sir~
Vote Count:
Awesome5000 (1/9): Helz
"First is called Widely Admired - I require one additional vote beyond the normal majority to be eliminated during the day phase. Once this ability triggers, the vote count resets and this ability is consumed."
To be clear- The way I am reading this is that once the normal amount of required votes is hit the ability kicks off, vote counter is reset and they require +1
If I am misunderstanding this someone correct me. But kinda seems like we are not really loosing anything checking this out and its really not all that useful for town to have anyways (while it has massive value for scum)
Ok. Im down to pop their passive. I do not think we should rapidly follow up with a lynch after though. The way I see it if they are scum that knocks out a powerful asset for them (or they lied and they just die for it.) If they are town we just re-evaluate and the ability is kinda not that great to begin with outside of Lylo considerations where it would place them as the kingmaker by default.
Vote: Alyssa
Vote Count:
Alyssa (6/9) - Kohai, Pie, Alyssa, Lunatic, Wylted, Helz
Lol. Thats the bit I keep poking the host on. I do dislike putting a host in such a position but without an OoO I can not work around if what they claimed is mechanically possible.
Something everyone can chew on- The 2nd ability would have to be used say- N2 on a target who on the same night as they were targeted would have to somehow be informed they can use their stuff twice and pick an additional target. That sounds super messy to me.
It would have made sense to me if it was a "During day phase you target someone and that night blah blah"
-or- "At night you target and the next night the person you target can blah blah"
This is one of my concerns on their role claim having a slip in it. I do not know what wild stuff you guys put in your games and could use feedback on if this is normal or not.
I do agree.
Largly with Thoth I do feel his claim was bullshit. Seeing guild chats + knowing flavor that could indicate P3 + having an additional ability did not seem possible. Would be an odd move to tailor them unless they were specifically looking to paint Alyssa or something which is kinda unnecessary. They already had attention and the flip looked bad for Alyssa without painting. If anything I would be more suspicious if Thoth had flipped town which would make sense for Mafia protecting a S! Alyssa team mate.
Potential of painting WF exists but it begs the question of why burn it to make a town look scum D1 when making a Mafia flip Town is a huge advantage.
That and independent of the strange bullshit mech claim by Thoth they were scummy outside of that. I do not really see them painting a mafia as a mafia unless its a very strange modification of Tailor. Then the flip itself matches the writing style of the host. Not crazy to fake but I did look at that a good bit.
While I think tailor is potentially possible add all that and the fact its considered bastard by some and I think its less likely that Thoth was Tailored and we simply killed a Mafia Roleblocker who got in over their head.
Oh, it certainly happens. I certainly agree that tell exists with intention and association indicators.
I just question it as the last thing they say and how blatant it is. He flatly demanded we Turbolynch Whiteflame then said:
"Whiteflame usually posts balanced reads that look at all angles of an issue. Here he was just trying to turbolynch me and refused to listen to my responses. I don’t know if that’s typical for Casey, but for WF it’s a sign of demonic possession."
I did not have the impression WF took that position but they also spoke with a level of conviction there which did not line up well with their reasoning. Makes me more confident Thoth is not tailored (also of note I feel tailor to be less likely as some communities consider it bastard but I do not quite know the meta here)
I do not really have a conclusion but it is something I am chewing on about why you did not consider as much and immediately jump to demanding full PR claims and such. I would more have expected you to dig through WF and draw conclusions then push for the FOS before just casually pushing to out PR's.
So a few thoughts-
May be stuck in court tomorrow. I am on stand by just a heads up. Not very impressed with how they are notifying me of my obligations there.
For Thoth I did everything I could to put spew on their mind and keep them talking. They basically had 2 moves-
1- Shade that Alyssa, Myself, or Rex could be 3p
2- Shove WF in their last posts.
WIFOM arguments could apply there as to distancing and what their normal is. Also a question of if they were feed info on a pool of potential 3P by someone else informed in their night chat.
For Alyssa I noted early D1 they were kinda hypersensitive to pressure. Seems like more of that today. From memory I saw more defensive survival focused behavior from them yesterday than hunting and solving.
Their role claim was very interesting.
The +1 vote for elimination would be a strong passive asset for scum. Their motivation power would also be strong to the level of being OP for scum to have.
If they are scum it would make more sense balance wise for it to come with the requirement of being recruited. I do not see scum default getting to unlimited double action anyone on their team through the game.
As town it makes sense for balance. A passive utility thats of meh level quality and a decently strong ability that could equally screw the town if used poorly.
Then I have asked a number of questions to the host I am waiting for clarification on. Specifically I am chewing on Alyssa's second ability. You target someone at night and double their action letting them use it twice 'that night.' How is that even possible unless it would specifically have to be coordinated in a guild chat? I wont dive into the potentials but that certainly caught my attention and I asked a few very targeted questions on the subject.
So eh- their role claim feels possible (unlike Thoths) and I do slightly lean for balance considering it more likely as a town role than not yet I am also looking for host clarification if Alyssa simply mech slipped in their claim and the exact dynamics of their claim being possible to exist.
Other than that Kohai's immediate push on WF felt a bit opportunistic. I think some amount of attention should be given to Thoth/WF although again- I was actively making them paranoid about spew and for them to overtly distance so flagrantly moments before slipping needs some WIFOM applied.
So to clarify more though do you have mech knowledge they are scum or just a feeling they should be focused on?
I would like to follow up on your reads and information as best I can.
Ok. So what about Whiteflame should we focus on and turbo lynch? What do you see in them that I need to see?
So accepting that you are not lying what is the conclusion of your flavor knowledge? Who should be focused on and do you think anyone else in the game will also have some flavor knowledge? Your claiming this thing was literally why I hammered you if it matters. It was illogical on top of so many other things that did not add up.
But if you are town help me understand what I should do with this knowledge and what to think about it to help your win con if you trust I am town.
I read everything. I just also asked over and over if flavor was AI and got told no until people stopped even bringing it up. Then you presented that you knew flavor facts. I openly claimed who I was dismissing any flavor implications. I am apparently some coward rich bitch. Whatever.
You are presenting that you know who is the prime character and also connecting that to being some evil/neutral. Why? Its a stupid mechanic to exist up front and on top of that I question even if it did exist why you believe it exists. Is catching someone in a lie about their flavor AI? Otherwise why is someone being the whatever dude make them some big bad neutral evil whatever?
You are skipping a few things in connecting your position that I am trying to understand.
What is your end insulation tough? That one of us three is evil or neutral or what? Why does the flavor matter to begin with?
Before you can not respond can you unpack this for me?
Im a little confused. You listed Alyssa as 30% chance of being Jinwoo and you made some big deal about who that was earlier. Can you explain your thought process?
Can you expand on the 3p thing? You talked about how Alyssa Rex and myself were in some kinda pool. Can you give more details to how that works and what you think about it?
Sure, but being dead and all your flip will verify everything you say as coming from a confirmed town. What would you like to say?
Can you speedrun your reads? If you are legit town and this is my fuck up you can still win with the team wining by giving views that will soon be viewed as coming from confirmed town.
Cool. So you are town. In twilight who do you think we should focus on?
@Thoth
Feel free to unpack whatever your views are in twilight if I was wrong and you have scum reads you want to push before being silenced.
Vote Thoth for the hammer if people want to be weirdly technical
Hammer Thoth
if bold matters
