Helz

Time is up

Hammer Thoth

Vote Count

Thoth 9/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted. Kohai, Pie, Banana, Helz

Shining 3/9 - Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz,

Whiteflame 1/9 - Thoth

While I wanted more time for stuffs this is just silly. Dude claims anti-town mech and follows up with a weird flavor thing thats not even AI knowing things they should not.

I know people wanted more from me. Kinda Dont care right now. This dude just needs to die. I will deal with timeline issues and loose out on info I wanted for 24 hours of day cycle to make this happen.

Lets get into twilight.

1 page away from your death. I will go smoke a cig so you have more time but outside of that your about to get smited brah.

Well reguardless of result we can view Whiteflame and Thoth as not aligned from this post.. That has value post flip

I think I am going to kill you. I think you know a lot more than you should and I am still catching up on the game and I think you screwed over a team mate in your play.

While I want a counter train and a train to exist its not like I am being defensive here. I have over and over said I am a wolf and have a desire to eat the children and elderly of the town. I am not even remotely afraid of pressure as I bait it onto myself. But your mech claims are scummy as hell and now you stack onto it with some flavor thing that makes zero sense? No bro. You are just some flailing scum throwing out nonsensical bullshit.

Convince me I am wrong as I read up on the thread.

I already claimed my flavor. Did it in context to get flavor out of my life and felt it was a waste of time. Do what you want with that.

The only reason I am not hammering you is that I have a court date and want the day cycle to go on a bit.

Pretty much sealed the deal for me here step sister. Your suddenly able to identify flavor that may have any remotely AI stuff attached to it after people voice potential of 3p. Thats very interesting. Before I even unpack how crazy of a coincidence that is lets talk about what an absurd angled defense that is. Somehow you magically know between 3 specific people what a persons flavor is? Ok

Lets call out the entire player base about this. Any of you fucks have any function to know who anyone is? If not we can smell bullshit here. 2 Levels being

1- Flavor does not = AI

2- That such a flavor mechanic is silly and unlikely

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I am calling this out while reading it as flailing scum desperate to paint and they probably just fucked a team mate in ways I will not detail until post flip unless someone wants to counter what I have said here. I may have been pushing a counter train because I want a train and counter train but I doubt I will shift off the position that this dude needs to burn regardless of where my vote is over the next 24 hours.

How do we keep quoting and tracking vote counts but somehow no non-lynch votes show up on everyones counter. Like thats not even a vote

I would disagree here. The textbook definition of WIFOM is breaking down known information for an individual. If you know that your opponent knows something you can react to the level of knowledge they have. Its basically counter intel. When applied to mafia its more about how deeply a player understands the game and how deeply you should consider their motives. There is a Stanford lecture on the subject if I can rewind my brain about 10 years and find it on the subject if you really want.

Im super glad that you town lean Melz. : P

So I have not read anything past page 39. Open door until a catch up if you want to get unhinged Helz honesty until I catch up.

Was a joke man. I am Christian and sorry if I offended. Dark humor is kinda my thing.

Prosecution for the DA's office. Apparently they want me to just say I was there and tried to save the guys life or something.

I would like to prevent thread bloat and keep further conversation on the subject out of the game though if you do not mind. Im good with 2k post days but some people here struggle with it.

Wtf even is this VB forums problem. Holy shit nothing works..

[quote]When you have time I would very particularly hear from you if you could instantly kill 3 players who they would be.

A lot of your focus is defense which is understandable but if you are town explaining who you do not trust would hold great vale after you are flipped and there is a very real chance of such a thing happening.

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Got your names crossed in the ping somehow. This was a question to @Thoth

Yeah, let me give it some thought. I very much liked the question but also have still not made time to dig like I want to. Kinda glad the game has an entire day and a half longer than I thought it did.

When you have time I would very particularly hear from you if you could instantly kill 3 players who they would be.

A lot of your focus is defense which is understandable but if you are town explaining who you do not trust would hold great vale after you are flipped and there is a very real chance of such a thing happening.

Its something along those lines. I will not explain whats what until the thing is over. Generally not talking about legal stuff is the smart play but I have zero risk in any of it. Did not know the dude shot or the dude doing the shooting. Don't give a fuck. Just tried to save his life and apparently I failed. Its whatever.

Back to the game doe-

I somewhat sus Thoth popping in exactly when they did. The second a counter train forms they 'wake up'. Possible- also a bit of a coincidence. Them voting self pres 100% makes sense. Any player with any sense to them will do that. Voting while excusing the timing as "I just woke up?" has me scratching my head.

Oh no. Lol. Im good.

I just patched some dude up that got shot outside of a house party. I am not on trial myself. Lol

Hell, I did not even see the shooter. Waste of my time imo.

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Vote: Shining

Vote count

Thoth 5/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted

Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5

Shining 4/9 - Kohai, Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz

I want a train and a counter train for days end regardless of who its on outside of 3 people. I do not currently have hard reasoning on Shining but I would like to see this kick up with as much time as we have left in the day. They really need to step up and speak anyways.

Not even sure who to respond to with this one but I would hate ending the day so soon with so many low posting lurkers floating around.

Seriously- what the fuck is the rush to end the day? Just chill. I also have the personal issue of being stuck in court for that murder trial bullshit soon and would rather that happen on a night phase so I have that personal driver.

Speeding up the game cycle just undercuts Towns ability to hunt. It would be different if we did not have so many lurkers creeping about but I just do not see a town sided reason to push this and act like nothing productive will happen while I do see a scum motive for shutting down chat quickly.

That number has not aged well tbh. Dont really want to get into that subject though.

(Not game related and totally a joke- Avoid reading this if you have thin skin)

In honor of Good Friday I will say that Jesus died for our sins.

So if we do not sin Jesus died for nothing~

We should therefore go out and get fucked up and do unspeakable acts so that his sacrifice was worth it! Sin for Jesus! Make his sacrifice matter~

My strat would have been to game out potential game conclusions for balance and offset with KPN. Nobody wants a 8 day game (which would be more than that if town decided to no lynch or protectives hit)

Part of my balance theory that there is additional KPN. Having 2 kills per night with some 3p KPN shifts the game into that 4-6 day range in some ways. Or adding in some mafia 1 shot strongman + town vig mix also helps cut down on it.

All theory but I feel there is valid considerations there for what we are facing.

I did not consider lost wolves that someone mentioned but I also do not think its likely. Amount of mafia was announced. Not that there is a 4p team but that there is 4 players. For it to be 3+1 lost wolf would be too heavy of a nerf to exist imo. I think they are exactly a 4p team.

Lol. That is fucking wild.

Ehhh, I do not even remotely understand the strategy behind that but I appreciate being given the context.

So the host just let me know end of day phase 1 is on sunday at 10 EDT. So 1 day 16 hours ~16 minutes until EOD1..

I somehow thought EOD was coming up soon so I will unvote for now.

unvote

VOTE COUNT

Thoth 6/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted

Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5

VTNL ?/9

Your welcome step sis. We can spend more time together and talk about my balance boner if you want <3

Im thinking additional kill functions exist if there is not a 3p with a KPN.

Vigs usually end up fucking the town more often than not.

And my dumbass did not update the number

VOTE COUNT

Thoth 7/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted, Helz

Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5

VTNL ?/9

If thats being said about me I would like to clarify that no, I do not have a doctorate level cadential. I have studied mafia exhaustively but never in some formal academic thing.

I brought up Dmitry Davidoff who was a Russian psychologist and essentially developed the concept of Mafia to reflect how hidden information known by few can be identified in his doctorate classes.

Im going to go ahead and vote Thoth. Have not had the time to dig today that I wanted to and I naturally just crave eating people.

Feels like some subtle resistance to Thoth going over exists which is a good sign. If I can find the time I will dig and see if I can come up with a better target but I am comfortable sheeping a confirmed town.

Vote Thoth

VOTE COUNT

Thoth 6/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted, Helz

Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5

VTNL ?/9

Updating the last vote count. Adding in the VTNL bit because I know some people are there but I guess it was not tracked? Will look at that when I get home (maybe) My simple solution hosting games on sites with no counter is to just require players to ping the host when they vote. Easy to reference but I am just kinda going with whatever you guys do until I am no longer 'that fucking new guy'. Just an idea

I will also mention I still have a bit of a balance boner for a 3p existing. An additional KPN also makes sense. Without it the game could go on to LYLO on day 8 which eh.. is a bit extra. The game could literally take a month so I firmly believe 3p exists and suspect that it may have a KPN. This game is going to be hard but I am quite excited.

@Thoth Sorry stepsis

After digging I would favor lynching over VNTL. I know I proposed the concept but in general it gives us the benefits of having a flip to angle night actions around and having a D2 gamestate that more players will be able to work with.

I am not advocating for them to be the target but I will say I am not opposed to Thoth. My main issue with eliminating them is their absurd honesty. I see them claiming a guild spy who redirects recruitment attempts and has some 3rd function on top of that passive. Ok.. That sounds wild.

Thats much more powerful than me for one. I question that bit on balance. I expect Mafia/Neutral to be more powerful and that lines up there.

But in their defense why in the ever living fuck would an evil player be honest about having that power? Its an absurdly scum sided power. If I was evil with such functions I would lie my ass off before admitting I had such powers.

Tangentially the positioning on them is of value. Many people have taken positions one way or the other so either way they flip holds solving value.

I am still digging and would rather come up with a hard case I can push on someone but its a busy day and figured I would present my reasoning on Thoth as we are getting closer to the EOD