Everyone has been lurking and the game has been a bit of a slog. I did think to check up on your recent games, but I haven't seen anything much that stood out in my mind. Honestly I don't like Cerulean's claim. I was gonna lynch him anyway, but his claim put a bad taste in my mouth. I don't get why he outed his role.
Cause someone asked him to. But explain in your own words why the claim bothers you
What are your reads?
Three of us have already made unique soft claims; adding another soft that we all participate in only narrows down who those three could possibly be while leaving the rest with a higher degree of anonymity. I'd like to hear what your proposal for the mass soft claim would be first.
I don’t have an idea, which is why I asked Ceru and Luna. I’m honestly just tired of being forced to look into themes I know nothing about. Like I genuinely don’t remember the last time I played a game where I knew the theme. I’ll look into it tonight, at a Christmas party right now
Kohai is scummy af but he’s always scummy af. Earth has this problem as well, it’s annoying af
This is gross a distortion of Castin’s words.
How so
Did you not read what I wrote? If we have to make a lynch today at least let it be someone that can hurt town. I’d really would rather not run up another person to L1 and have them claim.
VTNL
Ceru’s claim can be tested tonight.
So you want to give up our chance to lynch now? We should definitely not No Lynch as the game is 7-2
any comments from yall?
Welp, if I was scum I would just sit back and lie low until Ceru is mislynched.
How do you know Ceru is a mislynch?
Requesting soft claims or some explanation for lack thereof
I think we should be consistent with what we soft claim
DP1 problems lol. I feel like everyone is simply on board with policy lynching Cerulean and doesn't have much nore to add.
You never answered my question. Also who do you scunread
48 hours in and I feel like we’ve gotten absolutely nowhere. I’ll start with a soft my character is male.
VTL Cerulean
Not a fan of this but if we have to lynch I’d rather lynch a person who could negatively impact town.
Okay so what made him go from heavily town to scum cause you just completely 180ed
My soft is that my character is on the list I provided. I recommend we all soft a different way, I think scum have in general caught on to the "type claiming" meta where people claim male/female, DOB, etc. Maybe we all do something different.
I don’t think this strategy is effective though. You could just be vague like my guy is a criminal and it would encompass everyone. It’s hard to do POE if the baseline is different
No offense dawg but at this point I think it’s one of those stances you have and believe but don’t ever really follow because you secretly realize the logic behind it is faulty but don’t wanna admit your wrong in lmao. You’ve had this anti miller policy for years but I don’t think I ever really remember you actually advocating a lynch on one past maybe saying they should be a default lynch in case of no others once or twice but then never following through on that.
What do you mean? There have been a few games where we lynch a scummier player, and I think some were town and some were scum. Sometimes it’s worked in our favor down the line just purely based on the behavior of the Miller.
lmao it’s like the Christian parent who doesn’t believe in gay marriage but has a gay kid and they still love them and don’t lecture them on their life choices. It’s okay to admit you were wrong in that logic pie! Time to drop it lol not a hill worth dying on. Don’t be the Christian mom who refuses to change with the times!
Nah, I’d prefer not dealing with the potential headache. No lynching doesn’t make sense and right now idt there’s a legitimate target that tingles my spidey senses
Are you claiming Ceru is possibly a godfather?
It’s possible, but more likely his partner is
My question is what kind of monster would include a godfather in a setup where the player count almost guarantees two scum. What good is half a cop?
Thats a balance argument. Town could just be as weak
So if the Cop checks you, you show up as the opposite of what a Miller would show???
What are you even saying?
The problem I have with this is if there’s a cop and a godfather there’s almost certainly a miller. If the miller CC’s it’s good night for the mafia.
That’s not necessarily true. Plus it could be a Lawyer or something as well
Alright, we have 38 hours left and we’ve done nothing. We should start soft claiming. Yall are the most familiar with the theme. How do we go soft claiming without revealing who we exactly are?
I’m willing to lend ceru a bit of a town cred for the miller claim sure
You know what my stance is lol
You know, I'm having a hard time that Cerulean would gambit like that. It would be a waste of a question, and in addition force a mafioso into the spotlight. Cerulean could be town, but I wonder what Scum!Cerulean would feel about his scum buddy volunteering his head on the chopping block.
Why would it be a waste? It’s good play. Imagine if you’re a scum godfather. You know there’s a cop or something similar. It’s worth it to ask about a Miller and SOP claim that immediately
There is no reason to townread Ceru unless he hard claims his role. However I'd like to know why he should be our de facto lynch target based on his soft claim.
It’s a couple of things. If he’s town, scum are never gonna kill him. If he’s scum, we can’t investigate him or anything. He also brings low value to the rest of the game in terms of his role. In MYLO/LYLO it’s always going to hang over you that he could be scum because they used one of their questions on this type of role. I’ve been wanting to do it for eons when I’m scum
Eh. You have to look at free speech on a spectrum. I don't think it would fly on here if someone were wildly slinging slurs, especially not the N word and the bundle-of-sticks slur. That's what this site looks like to them.
Have you met Wylted lol
2. I am town reading them for SOP claiming a negative utility role which is exactly what I would expect from a townie and not a mafia person
You realize scum could ask if roles exist right
What would you expect some common theme splits are
If you think MU is bad try MS. They’ll ban you if you even dare say lynch. At least MU is a tiny bit more lenient.
I prefer free speech. Anyways back to the game. Why are town reading Ceru
Our style of games might be getting stale, but thats probably due to the size of our player base. We would start to complain if we did everything like MU. Kinda funny that Pie immediately told Cerulean his intention to policy lynch him if he couldn't find a better lynch after his long absence lol.
MU is liberal cesspool. I like Ceru…only if he isn’t scum
I do think anti-claim is a good middle ground in that it means claiming is still allowed, but it becomes more of a last resort than an immediate "I have one vote, time to spill everything" option. Making claiming risky allows it to take a bit more of a backseat to behavioral analysis without completely disregarding it.
I think it should be 50/50. Early on, no one is lynching based on character anyways. It’s purely behavior. The person is forced to claim because of behavior. Town shouldn’t get punished because of that
It's a difficult meta to change. Anticlaim is a decent way of forcing people to work around it, in my experience- I'm partial to the Unassigned Anti-Flavor Factional Roleblock. Pretty severe but not outright lethal.
Anticlaim is stupid. Just give scum strong fake claims if you’re concerned about that. Or just do a plain behavioral game
This is honestly my biggest gripe with our meta. Character claims are almost always banned on sites like MU and MS. On this site we claim even when we don’t need to and most games the solving is done through analyzing character claims
Then just do straight vanilla games. Why even include a theme at all. Just for shits and giggles? If you want a pure behavioral game, the solution is to do a vanilla game.
Theme analysis is a legit analysis. And it’s not like lynches are purely based off of theme. There’s usually a combination of factors like role claim, behavior, character, and justification.
