Yeah, you got me. I had the idea for claiming an NK-redirecting role, then decided this was inherently 'out there' enough that I had to make it so over-the-top it would loop back around to being believable because nobody would dare claim that.
You know the funny part, though? I actually was Ascetic.
At some point it becomes too hard to come up with lies. But brutal for you that REF has a Town and Scum Ascetic
What’s your justification for Windy being the JOAT?
Ya I think that’s 6: Pie, Mikal, Kohai, Luna, Vader, Wylted
Do you agree with my town pool?
Everyone except WF I think
I mean I agree he is scum but I don't know where you are getting all that. My understanding is that he doesn't even know what an ascetic is. I asked him if he could be targeted by other roles and he said yes.
I’m pointing out the inconsistencies in his claim. This is the definition of Leprechaun on MU: “The Leprechaun may each night redirect all actions directed at a specific player to the player either directly above or below them in an alphabetized list of currently living players. If any actions were successfully redirected, the Leprechaun will be informed of this.”
1) He’s saying he can pick 3 players as long as they’re next to each other
2) He’s saying REF would tell him if any of the 3 are NKed
3) He could then move the NK to any of the other 2 individuals, but only the NK. Not ALL actions, ONLY the NK
4) He said Strongman would move too. That’s anti-thetical to what a Strongman does. Strongman always reaches its intended target
5) He said he’s Ascetic but he can be visited? I also asked REF what message would a Cop get if they targeted me. REF said “your action failed.” Thoth here is saying they would receive a No Result:
I asked Rex right after I got my role card how Ascetic would interact with some hypothetical roles. He told me that the investigative roles I named would see no result and that the protective roles I named would be told nothing. I inferred from that actions are not roleblocked per se because I presumed that would inform whoever targeted me that they were roleblocked, which may not be true, but Rex hasn't responded to my most recent questions yet.
6) He admitted that he’s unkillable because he can choose his own name and the 2 people next to him on the list. That means, he can’t be target by non-lethal actions, he can’t be killed, he can move Strongmans but not other abilities. Essentially he’s basically a Bulletproof Ascetic Leprechaun.
7) If he’s unkillable, then we have a Bodyguard, Doctor, 1x JK, and basically a Bulletproof
8) His justification for Ascetic is that Lepant stayed on the side lines for a bit. What does that have anything to do with non-lethal actions not affecting you.
If you're Thoth and scum why tf do you tack the Ascetic onto Leprechaun
Cause he didn’t know what Mikal did at that point in time besides the fact that Mikal had something implicating on Thoth
Low-key I wana vtnl
and just had everyone in the game target Pie and Thoth and not say who they are going to target and if an action goes through we know which one is bullshitting.
Im 100% confirmable. Thoth has backtracked after claiming Ascetic saying:
Thoth are you able to be visited by a role or is it blocked? Why is the word ascetic in your PM if not?
[It doesn't block them. I think I can be visited.]
I don’t know. I have a sinking feeling this game is going to end today if we get this wrong.
I sincerely doubt the game will end after DP2 considering the shit show we had the previous game
If they get a 2x recruit and started with two. Game is over after today.
So you think there are 4 scum + 1 TP in a 13p game?
Bro I have this fucking sinking feeling we are going to vote Thoth and get fucked by Pie and Luna
if this dp ends today
also if Thoth flips town. I’m death tunneling Pie
Literally at worse it’s 7-3 right now cause having 4 scum + 1 TP is a 13p game is bastard. Unless I magically somehow have 3 kills in the NP, I don’t have a reason to CC here.
but lepant as a merchant whatever the fuck he claimed and aesthetic also makes sense. He doesn’t want to be Involved so nothing affects him is a decent tie to that
Youre saying that staying on the sidelines temporarily is a good justification for Ascetic? That’s horseshit lmao. You’re being paranoid. I have zero incentive to CC here
So what’s Pie’s incentive to CC’ing that claim then if he’s scum. The most he’s going to do is survive one extra DP and die. That literally does nothing. Thoth’s claim is weird but it’s not crazy.
+1
If you think I took Barbarossa from Shining, then I would logically use the role that was there. If it’s not Ascetic, I wouldn’t have said anything and just claimed what Shining had. Again, what incentive exists for me to CC Thoth here?
Plausible with a Strongman
Watcher lol. Also, what use is a Strongman if Thoth can literally redirect my target. That’s antithetical to the definition of Strongman
why didn’t you cc him when he claimed ?
Dawg I literally said:
2) He’s lying about being Ascetic (how would I know that unless I am Ascetic)
the entire interaction doesn’t sit well with me. Thoth claimed aestic way earlier and pie didn’t cc him. It took me asking him was he aesetic for a cc.
Go reread what I said. 2) He’s lying about being Ascetic.
if someone has your role, you insta hard cc. Like Luna did to supa
That’s not even a CC
1 is almost confirmed scum and I’d rather start with the one that behaviorly is weird to me and that if we are wrong. We just lose a useless role that can’t be validated.
Youre buying a completely immune Ascetic Leprechaun when I didn’t even have to CC here?
make fun of thoths dumb fucking role al
you want. The justification makes perfect sense.
What justification? He’s an ascetic cause he was on the side lines for a bit but then he joined anyways?
I think shining was barbosa
So you’re buying that I killed you knowing full well that every protective role would be on you. Watchers would be on you, etc. And then Thoth moved the NK to Shining?
One of them is scum and I can’t see barbosa as pure aesthetic. Pie didn’t immediately cc either. It was a very awkward counter claim. I think it’s pie
What are you talking about? I literally said he’s lying about being Asthetic
VTl pie
I wana go pie first then if he flips down get Thoth. Order doesn’t matter. I can’t shake this.
I don’t see barbosa and just being aesthetic and I basically told him this before he claimed it. The lepant claim is retarted I don’t think Thoth claims it. It does make sense too and I don’t think Thoth wrote that
I wana start with pie and go Thoth second
You are actually out of your mind. I have zero incentive here to CC.
I send Rex three adjacent players. This is not a targeted action.
If one of those players is the NK target, Rex tells me which one it was,
and then I may move the NK to one of the other two.
The way Thoth is describing his role is that he’s immune to dying except by lynch. I don’t know why he’s concerned about dying. He can’t be targeted by non-lethal actions. He can’t be strongmanned. He’s basically immune to everything except being lynched
My ability can still either shift at least one kill to where it does less damage to town or force scum to NK a relatively sus group of three players due to WIFOM. With luck, I could save a townie and hit scum. If you think there is even a small chance I'm telling the truth, don't vote me. Killing me cuts off possibly the strongest power role claimed so far.
What you’re claiming is that you cannot be NKed though. If you pick 3 names including yourself, it means that you’re immune right? If REF tells you that you are the NK, can’t you redirect to a person above you or below you? You’re saying that you’re unkillable.
If I were scum and made this up, do you really think I would kill a top scumread for the sake of going all-in possibly the most unbelievable fake claim in recent memory? Actually, the answer could be yes, except that no scum partner would let me do that without bitching and moaning more loudly than I could stand.
This is all WIFOM. People including me have provided reasons. Regardless, it’s speculation.
Most importantly, I had no reason to claim Ascetic. None. My claim and justification would have made just as much sense, even if you think that 'just as much' is zero, without Ascetic. The only reasons why I would claim Ascetic are being Ascetic scum, which still contradicts Pie's claim
Why is that not possible? Scum JOATs and Town JOATs have coexisted for eons
, or if I had reason to believe that I needed to claim it lest someone accuse me of omitting the fact that I am Ascetic, which would presumably mean that I am Ascetic scum and we would have gone full circle since, if I were an Ascetic townie, I would have no reason to lie about being an Ascetic townie. You're all operating under the assumption that there can't be more than one role with the same modifier. Pie might be Ascetic or he might not. You can't make assumptions about the mod constructs the game because you don't want it to be that way.
Lynch me and lose your strongest asset because of a counter-claim that isn't. Have fun falling off that cliff.
Pie - Barbarossa - Ascetic
Mikal - Wendy - JOAT: 1x JK, 1x Redirector
Lunatic - Kwanda Rosman - Doctor
Vader - Kasim Hazil - Bodyguard
Wylted - Milich Oppenheimer - 1x Poisoner/1x Healer
Airmax - Sanchez - Miller
Thoth - Lepant - Ascetic Leprechaun
Kohai - Teo McDohl - ???
Wryly - Sonya Shulen - ???
WF(Ultra) - Joshua Levenheit - Strengthener
Have you stated your justification yet?
He’s saying he’s Ascetic but he thinks he can still be targeted ie REF never mentioned that he cannot be targeted by non-lethal actions? Makes zero sense
Much faster now, thanks brotha 🙏
Pie - Barbarossa - Ascetic
Mikal - Wendy - JOAT: 1x JK, 1x Redirector
Lunatic - Kwanda Rosman - Doctor
Vader - Kasim Hazil - Bodyguard
Wylted - Milich Oppenheimer - 1x Poisoner/1x Healer
Airmax - Sanchez - Miller
Thoth - Lepant - Ascetic Leprechaun
Kohai - Teo McDohl - ???
Wryly - Sonya Shulen - ???
WF(Ultra) - ??? - ???
Yeah but Thoth isn’t really claiming ascetic at least not the same thing as pie is claiming. He’s saying the word but not the definition. So the CC only implicates him not pie in my eyes. Also you think the generals are in this but not Barbarossa? Unless pie was recruited or shining was Barbarossa pie is lock
He’s backtracking hard from Ascetic right now to avoid the CC.
So only Lethal actions get moved based on your role?
He’s also claiming a really weird variant of Leprechaun. It’s not what’s in the description. Ascetic makes no sense either. Ya he stayed on the sidelines for a bit but then he fought
I don’t think this is a fake claim. Scum could have recruited and if they did they have a claim. Skep said he gave them a claim. I do not think he gave them lepant. It’s possible but he also has wf Pesmerga lol
why would he not use the janitor one.
Partner probably used it before him is my guess
Rex tells me which one is targeted. I tell him which one to move it to.
Wait what? What do you mean REF “tells you”
