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That is scumready enough, but Rex said in the OP, "revealing information about your character will allow scum to use their roles to much greater effect." That much greater effect would be that mucher greaterer in Mikal's lore-heavy hands, so, if he were scum, how eager would he be to persuade us that Rex's warning is less dire than it seems?

He would definitely want claims, but right now, the soft claim seems like a good way to lock people in. It looks like most everyone so far from what I read is Scarlet, so it doesn’t really mean much right now.

Unless the recruiting mechanic is somehow tied to your faction, I don’t think soft claiming is a bad idea right now

Say there was a town/scum/TP split, what could TP be

I think there are 3 main factions from the barebones I’ve read so far

I also want to add wylted to my town pile. 

anyway im off to bed for real. 

Why?

Well I was hoping I could wait until tomorrow to post anything at all, but then I read my role and I don't have a choice but to claim right away, assuming this is still SOp, which it should be regardless of whatever new metas the kids are pushing these days.

I am Sanchez.

I am the Miller.

I know nothing about this theme so I will do my best to paraphrase this justification:

I am the treasurer of the Toran Liberation army...I served under some emperor and later became a founding member of a rebellion. However, I am still loyal to the emperor. 

Due to my loyalty I can't be recruited...

However due to my cover position all but the emperor think I'm a rebel and therefore I am the Miller.

So I am the miller and also immune to a recruitment game mechanic... so that's nifty.

So Max is probably the de facto lynch unless we find another suitable lynch.

I asked REF if he used my idea of 2 characters and 2 roles for fake claims and he said sorta.

I think he did either character or role, just based on his response.

The anti-recruitment mechanic basically affirms what Kohai and Mikal have been saying about recruitment roles whether scum or a cult of sort

So far all Mharman has done is throw shade and see if something will stick. I’m going to bed now but I’m parking my vote here for now. 

Mharman stands out the most to me right now as well.

my assumption is that the 6 generals from the scarlet moon are in the game and can be recruited and flipped. 

which are 

teo

kasim

Georg 

milich 

sanya 

kawanda 

in game it’s considers 5 great generals cus George dipped and doesn’t show up till game 2 if I recall. 

If this is your assumption, then why do you want people revealing whether they are Scarlet Moon or not?

Hesitant to say Mikal is lock town based on his extensive theme knowledge but it all looks really good. Very close to lock town.

What looks good besides that to make him lock town?

Honestly Kohai’s reaction looks like good behavior.

How so?

my character doesn’t mention the moon empire outright but the imperials are mentioned and context makes me assume he is a member. So imperials vs. rebellion with a protagonist split makes sense

As am I. Honestly Mikal is lock town

What about this makes him lock town?

Based on my role PM as well I am in agreement with this. I wonder if we actually have a scum team or if it just town vs a cult. 

Why a Cult specifically? Why not both?

Ok one is probably Wylted. That post looks fake and gay

What do you mean about this?

It sounds like there may be some sort of mechanic that allows affiliation changes or something. If scum can recruit I encourage them to go ahead and recruit me, they won't regret it, but I will assume they won't because recruiting the guy who asked to be recruited is just dumb. 

Anyway VTL Kohai

Based

Based on my PM, there’s one role that I’m thinking of that if it’s not in the game, I will be very surprised

Alright let’s do this

Tell Wryly to play and there’s your one

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In the Hopper:

Savant

Thoth

Whiteflame - Frieren Mafia

Vader - Heartbreaking Chicago Bears Moments

Pie - MAGA Mafia

Mikal - Hero Academia Mafia

REF - Ruyi Zhuan Mafia

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Wylted - Lulsec

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Thoth

Whiteflame - Frieren Mafia

Vader - Heartbreaking Chicago Bears Moments

Pie - MAGA Mafia

Mikal - Critical Role Mafia

REF - Ruyi Zhuan Mafia

On Hold:

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Wylted - Lulsec

Savant

Both bad decisions was my point lol

Now you know how I felt last game lol

im Harry Potter

perma vanilla. 

Based.

I also think the whole anti claim stuff is bullshit in general. If you want to punish town for claiming, give scum actual roles to counter them instead of relying on some arbitrary anti claim. Or just give fake claims to scum. Anti claim just adds an unnecessary feature imo

Win con has always been something that we can discuss as it’s usually distributed to everyone. I can’t think of a time when this wasn’t allowed on here and I’ve been playing since ddo. None of that is confirmable. Him typing about it is confirmable and that’s a him issue. Along with responding to Luna. You let talk like that go on and don’t touch it. Even I was second guessing Thoth 

Yes I agree. I wouldn’t have cared if he had kept his mouth shut and answered about scum receiving the town wincon or not, but he never answered my question publically

if anything it’s a reaction test. If that is not allowed. You should clearly state it or just kill me for starting it.

I agree. But keep in mind Max was also mod confirmed because of the whole day faction thing. That was also unfair imo.

balancing that by giving you guys an extra kill is retarted. Period. 

I would’ve just redone the game imo. Otherwise one side would’ve been unduly harmed.

it’s like he goofed and it just tanked the game and punished town for his mistake. I knew singning up for this that it was going to be goofy but just changing how the game works mid game to compensate for a mistake is next level bastard

GGs, onto the next

Could the anti-claim mechanic be applied if town fake-claimed?

I think we asked this and the answer was yes

I agree that mistakes were made on the town front here, though the extra NK is just such a huge overcorrection and made the game tremendously swingy, putting town in a situation where we could (and did) end up at MYLO in DP2. That's the biggest issue I have with this because it almost seems like it was here to correct for both the pseudo-mod confirmed players and a pretty big town advantage in roles that would have taken more than one NP to fully exploit.

Issue is that it was modkillable. The rules clearly stated don’t copy paste. I personally thought they should’ve been mod killed, and I advocated for that in the scum PM. But instead of 2 townies being modkilled and another lynched, only 1 townie was eliminated with the extra NK. I agree that it was broken, but so was the fact that Thoth and Mikal weren’t mod killed.

The Luna thing and Max thing, I didn’t really care about. Even with the PM thing, we could’ve at least argued that scum received the town win con, but David went in and interfered, which gave them the mod confirmation. That’s basically 3 players who were mod confirmed town.

Fun fact he lied about death proof 

I figured he was. It’s a Mikal thing to do

I have literally only seen GF’s in mashes (36p+ games) and automated closed role madness turbos (maybe a 1% chance of them showing up and they last less than 2 hours so if someone loses due to it, which has happened, it’s very low stakes and people tend to shrug it off)

let’s be real there was no way I was not going down today, probably

Realistically yes. If you wouldn’t given your character and justification, it probably would’ve helped a little

Since when has a Framer or Lawyer ever shown up in games? I have not seen one in god knows how long 

especially in a 10 player game, maybe Framer is possible, but Lawyer? No way in hell

it’s actually pretty common on this site along with Godfather

VTL Awesome

My goal here is not to say that you are proof positive scum. I'm explicitly not going down this rabbit hole to explain that you must be scum because you could have done all this. I'm pointing to reasons why you should not be dismissed you as obvious town. If you've got some basis for confirming yourself as town that I'm unaware of, be my guest and present it.

You kind of are though. On one hand you’re saying Mikal doesn’t have to be scum, but on the other you’re saying because of our roles, he has to be scum.

I’ll just shoot you a question point blank: what is your scum exactly scum team?

I love how both Mikal and REF are justifying the decision for the latter not to claim on the basis that this lynch is absolutely assured to be scum. I understand the basis for Mikal thinking that since he has solid evidence to that effect. REF should at least be a little unsure. Both of them keep talking about all the WIFOM reasons why scum would fake well or use their fake claim in a way that nets them an obvious lynch (as if there's no obvious lynch on the table that requires absolutely none of that).

Do any of the three of you agree that the priority should be to avoid further claims, even among players everyone has acknowledged are in POE, in MYLO/LYLO on the basis that we might get a night action that isn't meddled with? Seriously, polling the room on this.

I would like all claims on the table before I decide, but it’s basically a certainty that Awesome is scum. Getting the big picture is the best thing. Also, why have you not pressured Awesome to full claim? Do you townread Awesome?