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(H) Pie - Ellen Ripley - ???

(O) REF - MUTHUR - ???

(A) Mikal - Engineers - ???

(O) Wryly - Wendy - ???

(A) Kohai - The Xenomorph - Vengeful Townie

(O) Whiteflame - David 8 - ???

(O) Vader - Ash - ???



(H) Casey - Dr. Wren - Mafia Yakuza

(A) Thoth - Facehugger - Apportioner


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If you’re gonna be inactive, then just full claim. We’ve been waiting on you all day today

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Ok good. Whiteflame got my message. I thought his behavior was towny in DP1 and even on a short DP he seemed the most town.

Im Ash from the Alien movie. 


can you expand on this?


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The above is why it’s crucial to out that one original scum member. Cause the remaining converted scum, we can flush out with motives and night actions.

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Bottomline: here is everyone’s lynch pool for today:


Pie

Mikal

Wryly

WF

Vader

REF


Out of this, if you exclude yourself, you either have a 20% chance or 40% chance of lynching scum. Those odds go up tomorrow to 33% and 66% if we mislynch today

ILikePie5
Sounds like Mikal's plan is to lynch him today, because whether he's scum or town, that's workable for us.



Are you saying your plan is if he's town he'll be lynched tonight, and if he's scum we wait until it's 2-1?


Im saying we leave Kohai alone. If he’s town, he will be NKed before it becomes 2-1 (so either NP2 or NP3). Our job is to lynch one scum regardless of who it is, today or tomorrow. Best case it’s a 2/5 chance. Worst case it’s a 1/5 chance from everyone’s individual perspectives. (20% if Kohai was converted and 40% if he wasn’t)

ILikePie5
It still largely is true. 

if he is scum and we don’t lynch him we lose. If he’s town and he shoots and misses we lose. If he’s town, we lynch him and he holds, we get one more dp

the fact is still there. If he’s scum and goes past today, it’s gg If there is 2 scum.


are you saying that we have to lynch him today? Cause that’s not true. At 5-2, we have 2 opportunities to lynch whoever the original scum was. If Kohai is town, and he loves to 2-1, everyone should lynch him. If he’s town, he has a 50/50 shot (100% if by that time, lines are drawn).

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You'll still need a 4th vote to lynch Kohai when it's time. I assume people cannot VTL themselves. 


Wym?


Yes people can vote themselves, but you only need 2 people to lynch in a 2-1 scenario.

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Main argument is this: what scum team, after getting an incredibly powerful role that can recruit a player says 'hmm, let's go with the inactive guy with an unknown role who hates playing as scum over the active, townread players and claimed power roles like vengeful'. What sane scum team would pick him over you, or pie, or even me? Would Casey? I don't think so.


If Supa is scum, he was the original scum. I definitely agree with you on that. As for prime conversion targets, it would be one of me, WF, or Mikal. I know it’s not me. I trust Mikal for now. Could be WF. We need Supa’s full claim to determine next steps tho

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The plan is simple. We have to work around Kohai. If he’s town, he will definitely be NKed tonight or tomorrow night because of the whole 2-1 scenario where he can take a member of scum with him. But, if he is scum, we can only kill him when it’s 2-1. Cause even if he kills someone, there’s a townie alive to win the game.


Long story short, we have to work around Kohai. And we can’t use behavior to do that. We need the roles so we can find his (potential) scum partner

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Then there's a possibility that Vader is the other scum and Casey picked whiteflame to convert, then whiteflame concocted this information handoff scheme to throw off suspicion.


We need Supa to confirm what he actually is before we can proceed. If he doesn’t claim a non-human or non-alien then things will get spicy

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Pie - Ellen Ripley - ???

REF - MUTHUR - ???

Mikal - Engineers - ???

Wryly - Wendy - ???

Kohai - The Xenomorph - Vengeful Townie

Whiteflame - David 8 - ???

Vader - ??? - ???



Casey - Dr. Wren - Mafia Yakuza

Thoth - Facehugger - Apportioner

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Pie - Ellen Ripley - ???

REF - MUTHUR - ???

Mikal - Engineers - ???

Wryly - Wendy - ???

Kohai - The Xenomorph - Vengeful Townie

Whiteflame - David 8 - ???

Vader - ??? - ???


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I can, though I'm unclear if he knows the same information, at least not based on what Luna sent me. I'm good with revealing it regardless since we have most of the claims on the table, though Supa's claim may be relevant.


He prob doesn’t, but his claim shouldn’t change things imo. He’s basically linked to it via his role. And if he was converted, he doesn’t have a reason to like about his town character

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Are you comfortable revealing the info now since only Supa hasn’t claimed and he’s the source of that info

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Can you replace Vader if he doesn’t show up in like 5 hours. Time delay is a stupid tactic