Catching up now
Catching up now
So, to move things along, I'm just going to say that I know that Vader didn't get a chance to use his Mason. It took a while before we could get a sustained conversation going because he spent much of the first DP busy IRL. It's a bit of a towntell to me, since I don't think his scum partner(s) would have stayed quiet if he hadn't used it. I haven't asked him for much information so far on his role.
I actually think it’s null. He could’ve purposely not selected an individual as a strat to hopefully void my plan. But I also think the inactivity itself is null.
Since I've gotten a good deal more insight into characters than most, I'll just say that I thought the theme split was very basic, but my townreads tell me otherwise. I strongly townread Mharman, and I have good reason to believe that Ragnar is also town. There is a world in which I see them as a scum team, but that seems unlikely. From the limited conversation we have had thusfar, I'd say both Shining (Earth) and Vader are townleans.
I’m curious as to your reason for these reads? Is it behavioral or mechanical?
That leaves Casey, Pie, RT and REF. Behaviorally, I have some reason to buy Pie as town, though it's mainly because I think he's been pretty consistent in his efforts at keeping the game organized and scumhunting. Seen him do both as scum, so it's not a strong read. So I think there's at least one scum between Casey, RT and Rex.
I’m fine claiming right now as my role is confirmable. I probably should’ve claimed DP1, but I wanted to keep it hidden for a possible scum NK and cause I always die first.
I’m Tetris, and I require one additional vote to be lynched, so basically the Popular Townie. Mikal clarified that I deactivate at MYLO/LYLO.
RT's claim definitely sets me on edge, seems like it's there chiefly to dissuade a lynch and explain why he'd survive NPs. He didn't say he was the Beloved Princess, he just says that he travels through time, which makes some sense with Chrono Trigger. Just because the train makes sense, though, doesn't mean I'm townreading him for it. Don't like that he claimed that quickly when all the value in his role disappears the moment it's claimed.
I don’t buy it either. Super Mario Pros or something about Princess Peach seems like a better candidate. His play has been erratic at best too
Rex's response to RT's claim confused me, since he seemed to be presenting lynching RT as a win-win regardless of whether he's telling the truth, which is not accurate. His contributions so far just haven't been enough for me to form an opinion on him otherwise.
Ya I’m still null on REF as well.
I'm pretty null on Casey. Questioning of people's reads is all fine and dandy, but the lack of reads from them make it difficult to see what Casey's perspective actually is. They've shared thoughts on RT and I can understand targeting Ragnar, so that's a start and I'll let Casey cook with the other reads since they've been more forthcoming.
I townread Casey still. The play just seems more townie to me than scum Casey
Of these three, I need more from Rex. A set of reads would be a good start, especially since he got a piece of Pie.
VTL Rex
Anyway, Whiteflame is town. I couldn't really get a good read on him on our mason DM and we haven't really been talking, but we did share our characters. I think if Whiteflame outed what Lu atics character is, then hes town. Although, he could still be scum.
This makes no sense. What are you trying to say?
Ok so the POE idea I have is as follows:
Scum are already in a PM with their faction. So they chose a townie or a possible TP with their Mason ability to work out more info/help their play. That means we can eliminate all the current combos of 2 as scum pairings:
Mharman/WF
Casey/Ragnar
Theist/Luna
Whiteflame/Vader
REF/Pie
Earth/Whiteflame
Ragnar/Whiteflame
Pie/Casey
Also, because WF is with 4 people right now, he’s far less likely to be scum because he could only be scum with Pie/Casey/REF/Theist.
As we get closer and closer to MYLO/LYLO, the solve becomes easier. Mikal and scum probably never even thought of this strategy and I don’t blame them.
Lunatic - Whiteflame
Icon - None
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Lunatic - Super Mario Bros - ???
Icon - Frogger - Compulsive Hider
Has everyone said who they selected for the Mason?
Lunatic - Whiteflame
Icon - None
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Lunatic - Super Mario Bros - ???
Icon - Frogger - Compulsive Hider
Can’t say I like the role claim from Theist. Beloved Princess is a very common fake claim that scum use. Also, why Chrono Trigger over something like Super Mario. Like the entire goal of the game is to save Princess Peach right?
This plus the quick hammer and the pot shot he took at me is just scummy imo. Curious what everyone thinks.
I’m headed off for the night. Before I head off, while I won’t name specific people (they can clarify themselves), I can confirm that there were four people who recruited me yesterday. I was surprised too, didn’t realize I was that popular.
The irony is real cause I thought everyone liked Pie
For full claim:
If I'm lynched during the day phase the next day phase is skipped. If mafia kills me in the night the next day phase is skipped. Basically it is in everyone's best interest in keeping me alive.
character and justification?
VTL Theist
for full claim
Who did yall select to Mason
I was talking to Lunatic in our PM. He said to go ahead and hammer.
So you townread Lunatic I presume with your choice. Why did you townread Luna?
Lunatic - Whiteflame
Icon - None
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Lunatic - Super Mario Bros - ???
Icon - Frogger - Compulsive Hider
Lunatic - Whiteflame
Who did you select for the Mason
Lunatic - Whiteflame
I think this is everything. REF chose me and Casey told me that she selected Ragnar
Why’d you end the DP yesterday?
Okay, so it’s 11. Everyone needs to reveal who they chose to create a Mason with. After that, I’ll reveal how it helps with scum hunting.
I chose Casey
What are your reads?
Okay so in an 11 player game, 9-2 is probably too town sided and 8-3 is probably too scum sided, so 8-2-1 makes sense here imo. In terms of PMs my plan will make it so much easier to scumhunt.
My reads so far:
Town:
Pie - Obvious
Ragnar - His initial posts seem genuine
Casey - Probably the only one who has posted some real analysis so far in an otherwise low activity game so far
Mharman - I think the immediate accusation isn’t something Mharman would do as scum. He’s more calm and calculated based on COD Mafia. Also this is subtle but Mharman would know chess wasn’t created in the 16th century. The accusation doesn’t make much sense
Null:
Whiteflame - I can never read him, my read will prob depend on his claims
Luna - Just gave the soft claim idea but it’s NAI
Vader - Just soft claimed
REF - Some fluff and soft claimed
Earth - I dislike the position of list idea. It’s very weak logic and the idea is scummy af because it weakens the plan I’m thinking about. But this is Earth, and he’s always just scummy
Scum:
Theist - I don’t like the potshot against me. It’s like trying to find something that’s not even there. It reads to me like a fake attempt at scum hunting.
Icon - The claim is outlandish and I agree with Mharman that it could signify a TP
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This post is quite telling. If ILikePie was mafia he would know the answer to this question and wouldn't need to ask it publicly. If he were mafia then he might ask this question publicly as a fake dumbtell. I'll be keeping a close eye on pie throughout the day phase.
Or I am town and trying to gain info that will help town. Why do you just assume that I am scum?
We’re scum given fake claims and/or roles?
Please answer the questions I posed to you as well.
I would suggest something like picking the person under you on the player list and the person on the bottom picks the top player on the list
What’s the thought process behind this?
Regarding the Mason, is there a way we want to use this as a group or are we just going random with it? I think there is some value in having everyone publicly verify who they’re in a PM with so that we can keep track.
I have an idea with this. But it involves no one saying before hand who they’re going to be in a PM with. After the 48 hours, everyone can/should reveal who they chose and when everyone verifies, it will help POE tremendously.
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Have you ever played mafia before? What do you know about it? What do you know about forum mafia? How much do you know about the various roles?
I like the soft claim idea from Luna. Mine is the 80s as well
Hi team, let’s do this