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As for why Luna, two reasons. One, he wasn’t pretty widely townread going into NP1, so that made him a likely target. Two, I was already in a PM with him and he had told me his character and role. I knew it was valuable to keep around, so I chose him.

So you townread Lunatic based on his character & role? And that’s why you selected him? Still doesn’t explain the lack of flip though. Having a Janitor in this set up is super weak, and I presume Luna didn’t say anything about his role being able to flip.

Is there a reason you want Vader & Earth to claim before you do?

To not die.

Why do you care about dying with your role?

Can you ping Supa and Earth on Discord

Aside from saying that Kirby is adaptable and the description of the role (absorb a dead player, get their role), there isn’t one. The role does not state anything about removing or preventing a flip from being visible, either. That was a surprise.

That’s definitely interesting. I guess I’m still confused though. You said your role absorbs the role of a dead player but Mikal allowed you to choose a living player (Lunatic). Why did you choose Lunatic?

Why did you want Casey to target you NP2?

Anyway, I’ll out: my role absorbs the PRs of my dead target. I asked if I was allowed to target someone who was alive and absorb them if they die. Turns out, I can. I targeted Luna NP1 and lucked out, so I’m the reason he’s flipless. 

So you targeting him made his role flipless? Can’t say I’ve ever seen this role before. What’s the justification?

Chop chop let’s go

You need to claim too

The game should be solvable via POE. Gotta make use of the lack of NK

Okay everyone needs to full claim. Everyone also needs to reveal what they did each night. Please state your character, role, justification, actions each night and any results.

Hammer please

I already claimed to Pie because I trusted him after his role was confirmed. I did it hours ago.

i can confirm this

Don’t visit Vader or Earth tonight.

Okay?

Can you TLDR me your reason for the hard town read on WF?

I’m fine seeking the claim, but if there’s a reason to defend Casey, Pie should be helping to inform it since he’s the only one in chat with Casey as far as we know.

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VTL Casey

I behaviorally town read Casey both based on public comments and private comments. I think Shining & Vader are far better targets to get claims from.

What was everyone's reason for masoning WF? I did it because WF is a soild town player and I wanted to have a private chat with him in the case of him being town, and maybe being able to sus him out if hes scum.

This doesn’t make sense at all. Why didn’t you choose someone you townread?

Mason PMs for reference. Was thinking about a way to possibly pass role results to Whiteflame through mason PMS this NP so that he can report them in anonymized fashion. This would give mafia limited info on power roles and their location - information which would reveal them if they acted on it as their position in the chain would give them out. For example, if Earth is the cop and he is suddenly NKd we will FOS Whiteflame, as he is the one who would know. If Casey were the cop and he was NKd then Ragnar would be under suspicion, as Whiteflame would know that cop was among Ragnar, Casey, Pie, and I. Pie and I would have no idea, and Ragnar would know that cop was between me and Casey. If anyone messes with the info in transit it should be easy to find out who they are. If Whiteflame lies in his report the person could call him out on it. This way we could get and analyze results without actually outing any power roles to all players.

I agree with this strategy. It’s essentially a game of telephone. REF told me this in my PM. Solidifies my townread of him even more.

I just realized this was a possible scumslip. Why lynch on Luna's command at the end of DP1 when you had pretty much no idea if he was scum or town at that point? This claim makes a little bit of sense in retrospect because we all knew Luna was town because of the flip, so it can slip past you - 'oh, a town player told you to do it, that makes sense'. I certainly didn't trust Pie 100% at the end of DP1 and I wouldn't have hammered someone on his command. It makes most sense to do this as scum as you know Luna's affiliation and know that he's going to be dead next DP, so his 'approval' of a scummy action will look good to town in retrospect. He said this the instant he hammered too.

Ya and he still hasn’t answered the question. I’ve been asking since the beginning of the DP, but no answer. This literally screams TMI

CONCLUSION: I would say he's probably town, but I'm sure there's gonna be a nagging feeling here. There's room for tinfoil.

I would sus you if you didn’t. You’re always paranoid about me.

Catching up now

Town:

Pie - Obvious

Ragnar - Behaviorally I see him as town. As scum he tends to lurk a lot more.

Casey - I actually like the analysis of the Janitor. In a Mason game I don’t see how scum would risk using a Janitor on Lunatic. I don’t remember if RT confirmed he was in the PM with him DP1, but there were so many others. Giving scum a pure janitor in this set up just seems insanely weak.

Mharman - I think the analysis with the Janitor is accurate even though the assumption itself may not be accurate. I also stand by my read of him in DP1. On the reread, I don’t see anything.

REF - After talking to him in my PM, his behavior is very townie to me.

Tilt Town:

Whiteflame - I can never read him, my read will prob depend on his claims. At the same time, he’s less likely to be scum based on my theory. Ofc as a lot of people pointed out, if they figured out the idea beforehand, it’s a WIFOM argument.

Null:

Vader - There’s not much to go off with Vader. Theres no SupaSlip yet, but that’s cause he avoided a PM. And I think that’s telling tbh. It’s a way to avoid my theory and makes it less likely he slips in PM. But I don’t have evidence to gonna put him as null for now.

Scum:

Earth - I dislike the position of list idea still. It’s so hard with Earth cause he’s always just scummy so idk if he’s actually scum. Theres not much to analyze tbh except that. Theres also the POE component to this.

Theist - Everything about him just sounds scummy to me. Whether it be ending the DP early based on Lunatic (he still hasn’t explained why he townread Lunatic). The claim and role don’t make much sense together especially when Super Mario Bros is in contention. The sense of urgency isn’t there either. With the talk of a potential TP Survivor, Beloved Princess is a perfect claim.

What’s also bothering me is the fact that RT hasn’t answered why he townread Luna that early in the game. Cause that’s the only reason he would listen to him and hammer. It seems like a convenient excuse to hammer and prevent further discussion.

I just don’t want Pie to do it and I’ll say why after it’s done

So why not?

The logic in the above is that, if RT really was scum, he was planning to pass the fake claim to a teammate… not for himself.

But then again, Vader claimed 70s and I know what Whiteflame is… it’s a 90s game as he said.

So both teammate theories are a bust there. Bolsters RT towncase.

Your analysis is correct but you’re forgetting the TP though. If he’s a TP Survivor, Beloved Princess is a perfect claim for him.

To keep you honest: what is the justification for you role?

See my response to Casey on page 7

I would be careful about this. I spotted that this was your idea sometime during the night phase. Mafia, who is already thinking about who they’re going to select, may have spotted it as well. If I can figure it out from my pov, they definitely can.

thus the counterplay would be to waive a mason and then claim they are masoned with your teammate. Only one of them needs to do this; the other can use their mason on someone else

That’s fair. Although I would argue the reason you were even thinking about it is because I discussed there being a tactic. Probably should’ve been more subtle about it.

Why does being Tetris make you Popular?

Regardless, I'm fine testing this out, no reason not to.

VTL Pie

Tetris is one of the most popular games. PM talks about it having the most copies sold

I don't make anything of Rex reading RT's typo literally, but this does actually raise a good point that I was actually thinking about even before you posted this: even if RT was a bog-standard Beloved Princess, why would that mean immediately lynching him? It doesn't make sense. It's like using the logic of "this player is either scum or town, that's two options, so we have a 50/50 shot of hitting scum if we lynch them" but completely unironically. Not to mention that if there's a doctor in the game, protecting the Princess only makes sense, and there probably is some kind of protective role in the game. So I don't think it's a given that RT dies tonight if he's town.

Im having a hard time following the logic on this? We’ve lynched Beloved Princesses before. That2 comes to mind in Russian Mafia. We were right that she wasn’t BP, but she was sadly town.

I will say, however, that the way Rex has been hard pushing RT tells me that they're most likely unpaired. I can't 100% rule out a bus but I don't think it's likely at this early point in the game. I feel like one of those two should probably be the lynch today.

After my conversations with REF in PM, I’m reasonably sure he’s Town. I’m 100% more confident in RT being scum

But also in a game like this, I really don't think that it would've been optimal to kill Luna. The FoS is obviously on RT for the quickhammer on Icon with a day left. You would likely want to leave Luna alive as even he would likely agree that's a bad mechanic and I don't think he would've done that even as scum. So the obvious choice as scum to frame him a bit so it's a sub optimal play. Plus is RT killing the only person that can potentially give town cred???

Idk I think that hammer is sus af but at the same time I just don't think RT would kill their mason like that

Issue is that this is WIFOM, plus if Luna had some sort of PR, it makes sense to kill him. Characterwise, Rolewise, and Behaviorwise, RT is scum.

Whoever did this, you have no life. Literally it took me an hour to get like 30K.