Welcome, have you ever played mafia before?
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Full claim dawg
Full claim dawg
whiteflame wrote:
Mikal wrote:
Kohai did functionally claim vanilla
Is no one reading this dp ....
Dude, he claimed a named role. I get that the role is functionally Vanilla in terms of night actions, but your line of questioning basically just assumed he was actually Vanilla in role. I don't get that.
Well, we don’t know what he claimed. He first claimed Town Drunk.
Thoth wrote:
Kohai wrote:
This game will be an open mechanical set up, meaning I will openly tell you all the mechanics of the game. There is however one catch: One of these mechanics, and only one, is a lie fed by the mafia team
It doesn't say that the scum team chose them from a list. The wording makes it sound like the scum team could have, and likely did, write the fake mechanic themselves. I'm not sure yet who first said that the Mafia team picked it from a list, but Helz suggested so in #396.
Yes, I pointed this out. The way it’s written, it sounds like scum wrote the lie. Helz apparently asked a lot of questions beforehand privately and Luna said he gave them a list of lies
Wryly wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Frum mafiaskum:
A Named Townie is a role that has no real abilities, but differs from a normal Vanilla Townie in the sense it has a different name from an actual Vanilla Townie. This in itself can be powerful.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Named_Townie
Teknically, my role is "town drunk" and my abilities is I'm forced to talk like I'm drunk." This basically collapses into a named townie with posting restrictions.
Weird.
I wasn't even aware of a drunk Russian stereotype. Isn't that more an Irish stereotype?
Also a fair point
Helz wrote:
I would also like thoughts on Mikals role claim. A forced modifier that changes how they post as they are a VT? This does not make sense to me in line with anything I have seen so far on this site.
Its not just a citizen its a citizen thats kinda painful to play with an obligation that makes it easy for it to get itself killed. Im highly questioning how likely this would be in the game. Any of you old heads want to step up and give a take on if this is out of place for this site as it feels to me?
Luna uses custom roles pretty frequently. It’s conceivable that “Town Drunk” is a role he created. However, I’ve mentioned this before before what a Drunk is also a Roleblocker, which more often than not is a scum role.
Talking like a drunk could be to coverup the fact that they are a roleblocker. It’s why he’s been so inconsistent. First he says he’s a Town Drunk, then he says he’s a Named Townie. Combine that with the modified of being modkilled. Don’t like it at all
Helz wrote:
Wryly wrote:
Luna also just confirmed that 0 fake claims were given to *anyone*, so if Mech 1 is true, 3P were given no fake claim.
Good catch. That also makes 3 even less likely to be the lie.
You mean more likely. If scum were notified they would not receive any fake claims, then straight claiming their character with zero risk is the best idea
Kohai wrote:
Re #5: I just got confurmation that I am not consideredd vinilla. Im essssenrjakly a named town.
Wym essentially? Youre either a named townie or not. What is the exact name Luna used for your role?
UNVOTE
Okay this is important. I confirmed with Luna that scum got a list of pre-made lies that Luna made.
Then I asked him how many. He said he could not share that info
So looks like Kohai is a moron and is scum
Been busy today so I’ll check in tomorrow morning and break everything down. If Ultra hasn’t claimed, he needs to claim. If Casey hasn’t chimed in by tomorrow morning, she 100% needs to claim. Not letting inactives skate by. Mago is on the list as well
Ultracrepidarian wrote:
I literally soft claimed before I left
Okay. Claim your role and justification, so we can move on
Helz wrote:
ILikePie5 wrote:
Helz wrote:
Thoth wrote:
The wording “Mafia Tailor” strikes me as odd. Why would any other alignment have a Tailor? Something about that wording stands out to me as being in Lunatic’s pen.
I could see it being useful for certain neutrals. Like an executioner or some kinda Neutral that ends up being able to work with the mafia team. But again- Mafia did not write the lies. They picked from some pre-made lies Luna gave them options on so that being tied to him does not indicate its the lie.
Hold on, where did he say that?
Mafia Tailor was the intro post.
In my DM's I asked a lot of questions and he told me that they picked from options. Although I do not see that info as useful to catch a slip I do see it as useful for us to reason out which of the 5 is a lie.
We’ll let Luna confirm, but the way he phrased it in OP, it seemed like scum created the lie
Waiting on Luna to respond, but I think Helz may have slipped
I also think if Ultra flips scum, Casey is a top partner. Explains the delay. Especially this early in the game before claiming
Ultracrepidarian wrote:
Banana is my top scum lean currently
1 - tried to make me full claim on the grounds of an obvious joke vote, then when I didn't immediately comply with that demand said I was stalling
2 - Im heavily leaning toward number three being the lie, and banana's opening behavior with immediately soft claiming is very in line with that.
See, 1 makes me feel better about him, but then he comes with 3 and I’m back to square one. Sad
Kohai wrote:
Mikal wrote:
Okay im more confident with kohai now
I asked luna.
"Would a speech impaired role be considered vanilla"
Answer was " I cant answer questions about hypothetical roles"
Rephrase it " is a vanilla just a vanilla or would it have any additional features added to it it"
Answer was "its literally just vanilla"
So this speech impaired shit by kohai is either a farse or we have to assume in addition to the potentia for multiple vanillas he also made room to balance for a quasi vanilla in a speech impaired role
Kohai is basically claiming Russian because they drink a lot is my assumption based on his posting so far
For a full cñain: I am the Rusaians, town drunk, Yeah, I am fubctionibg vanilla. I’m forced to act frunk because our love for vodks.
So your character is Russians. Role is Drunk. And you aren’t a Roleblocker, but a Vanilla?
Helz wrote:
Thoth wrote:
The wording “Mafia Tailor” strikes me as odd. Why would any other alignment have a Tailor? Something about that wording stands out to me as being in Lunatic’s pen.
I could see it being useful for certain neutrals. Like an executioner or some kinda Neutral that ends up being able to work with the mafia team. But again- Mafia did not write the lies. They picked from some pre-made lies Luna gave them options on so that being tied to him does not indicate its the lie.
Hold on, where did he say that?
Helz wrote:
Im also thinking on 5 it would tie together their players if multiple used it.
Lets say they got down to Lylo and all roles are claimed, then we recognize 'Oh wait, there is only one cit claim. So that was the lie and who used its benifit?' solving the game for us
Or if they have 2 mafia claim cit and again we narrow down the PoE. It would fuck their tailor plays and they would know that they had a tailor.
Im just struggling with the potentially detrimental implications of Mafia making that lie and how it would be useful for them.
This is a good point as well combined with the idea that Luna usually provides multiple Vanillas. 5 is probably a truth.
Banana wrote:
couple more things point me at Mikal is that he is a dismissing options for the potential lie in the mech too ez. that’s twice now, first with sussing kohai over not being a full vanilla shows the assumption that the no vanillas is true, and second with the theme split being fake.
he did say earlier that he thought it was 1 or 3 but there’s been two separate parts of analysis of his that seem to know what mechanics are truths. kind of seems like inside knowledge or he is just very confident about his theory that it’s 1 or 3
Hmm interesting
Helz wrote:
For those experienced here how typical is it for a tailors existence to be disclosed?
How bastard does this community treat the existence of such a rule to begin with?
Luna is prob the only one who includes a Tailor. The last time he did that was Alien Mafia where WF/Mikal used it to show a Yakuza. Town had the win, but Kohai was a retard and hard threw, making us lose.
Helz wrote:
Banana wrote:
what is ur win condition
To be a good boy and get people to understand and accept my love. Im not like one of those benchѻaddes. I just want people acknowledge that its ok to hook up with your cousin. Is that so wrong?
Im catching up now.
No, you are a benchod
Mikal wrote:
For a whole bunch of reasons im not going to elaborate on, you need to stop mentioning anything else or hinting at things.
Agreed.
Mikal wrote:
Okay im more confident with kohai now
I asked luna.
"Would a speech impaired role be considered vanilla"
Answer was " I cant answer questions about hypothetical roles"
Rephrase it " is a vanilla just a vanilla or would it have any additional features added to it it"
Answer was "its literally just vanilla"
So this speech impaired shit by kohai is either a farse or we have to assume in addition to the potentia for multiple vanillas he also made room to balance for a quasi vanilla in a speech impaired role
Kohai is basically claiming Russian because they drink a lot is my assumption based on his posting so far
It’s conceivable he’s a Drunk aka a Roleblocker. I think the Russian thing is a farse. He’s just trying to soft claim, which as Wryly said, could not mean anything
Mikal wrote:
Feels very similar to what luna told me about magos game after it ended.
Expand on this, what did he tell you?
Mikal wrote:
Prob 1 scum on this ultra wagon. Guessing someone's throwing votes to see if it sticks. Even the wf suggestion i had was to try and bait someone to join in. Wanted to see who would hop on a wagon easily
Okay, interesting.
VTL: Kohai
Hes kinds softing Russian already but I dislike his logic and pushes so far. Add that tk the fact luna directly told me that "him and thoth were both complaining to him to mod kill me" implied it was at the same time and some part of me wonders if its in the same pm.
You and I both know what Luna said or didn’t say should not be factored into anyone’s decisions. Especially after you faked that whole Bus Driver stuff. As for Kohai, the timing is very odd with Ultra. Not opposed to this wagon, but would like to nail Ultra first since he hasn’t done much
Banana wrote:
can we try something wierd guys? just indulge me. its about the pms.
what does your pm say. does it say you win with the town or something like that? if everyone could tell me what theirs says exactly i would appreciate it. i might not be onto something here but i just wanna check
mine says 'you win with the town'
You win with the Town. Don’t know what your objective with this is, but no reason for Luna not to use the same phrasing. I know I do in my games to avoid this angle
Banana wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Kohai wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Can someone point me to the reason for sussing Ultra? Is it just the VTL out of nowhere?
1. VTL out of nowhere with poor reasoninggg behind it. Et waz literaly just an OMGUS bote.
2. He den completely disappeared
3. Haz little interactions and kontent.
4. Ergo dis is a good slot to presssire.
2-4 I get. The first is harder to read given his interaction with Rex.
interestin defense. lets flip this around, do you town read him, n if so why?
I dont buy WF pseudo-defending his partner like that this early in the game. They’re likely different affiliations if one is scum.
Ultracrepidarian wrote:
As Ive explained the vote was nothing more than a "flavor vote" as it's been called. I definitely did not expect it to cause a ripple.
Don't fully understand why I'm being integrated over an insincere vote and not being able to be perpetually glued to the mafia thread.
I can't give reads now but I'll try to later
Just full claim bro. Make our lives a little easier