ILikePie5

Still wary of Helz but feel a bit better. Meow has some fluff flags and I don’t think they’ve really be scum hunting but I’ve only skimmed so

Helz wrote:

At this rate I will either be dead or going full on unhinged try hard town on D3.

We are not exactly generating useful content to look at individuals. We keep getting into specific situational focus.

We NEED to target the low information individuals and give hard positions and reasoning so the town has a chance. If we fuck up this elimination thats the only path forward. Not "Oh this person should die" but "These are the reads and positions of all these people"

Which inactive do you want to focus on. We need to start piling votes.

Like look at Thoth, completely MIA.

Helz wrote:

I really think we should get the lurking players to give reads with reasoning as much as we can today. Anything else is fluff. I do not want a good take from them or a claim from them. I want reads with reasoning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMtf_ouMTHw&list=RDZMtf_ouMTHw

I swear you’re like never going to understand. You’re never going to “force” these people do do anything. They’ll happily lurk and not do anything. It’s literally Shining’s MO. We unfortunately cannot lynch every single inactive, otherwise I would’ve by now. Claims are the next best thing.

Sorry guys, been swamped at work. I disagree with Mikal. I think Wryly’s post reads as if she’s either TP if one exists or Town. As scum, saying 5-3-1 just doesn’t make sense.

I feel Mikal is town just based on his play DP and the fact that he pseudo-CCed Banana’s justification. Doesn’t make sense for scum Mikal to kill Banana.

I think REF brings up a good point about the Lie Detector and scum probably realizing the ramifications of that. Going to Tilt Town on him even more now.

I’m slowly not starting to like WF now. I just feel he would be more active and driving, esp if I’m not doing that. Just feels odd

The best way to catch Wylted as scum is to force him to claim. He’s horrible at claiming. If his claim is somewhat good, he’s either town or has really good support

Helz wrote:

Dude. What are you even on about. It was disclosed to us at the start of the game and we had extensive discussions about which of the revealed things is likely to be a lie. It flatly says in one of the host revealed mechanics that a 3rd party exists and I concluded its very unlikely for scum to choose that as the thing thats lied about.

Okay, but you’re not 100%. At least, you shouldn’t be. You’re writing like it’s gospel.

Ive already mentioned that the utility of #1 to scum is very little, but I’m not writing like I know there is definitely a TP. It reads as a Freudian slip.

That combined with the other “questions” you supposedly asked Luna, there’s a sort of pattern forming. I know people don’t agree with me on the latter and that you indeed could’ve asked that, but to me it’s still a negative point in your favor.

As for the notion of you not slipping, that’s pure WIFOM, and I also know that you would’ve hammered WF last game and lost the game. You’re prone to miss/forget things just like we all are

I get the whole idea that with a TP, scum can fake scumhunt. No question about that. But you’re writing like it’s a fact that a TP exists, which is one of 5 conditions. Either you’re the TP yourself or scum because only those two would know whether or not condition #1 is true

Helz wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Yeah. Throwing a bit out here and there for softs to point to is great and all. And I do love the trolling. But I think we should be cautious about claims. Sniffing out the mafia is going to be more complicated with a confirmed 3p to deal with. They will be able to genuinely scum hunt because one exists in the game and the 3p itself adds all sorts of wild potentials into the situation

Can you elaborate on this post?

I believe true tells draw from differences between the alignments. This one comes from the fact that Town are uninformed while wolves are informed.

In a game without 3p Town has to hunt and read players. Because of this a number of differences exist such as towns hunting being genuine and the reads they get being truly based off the information they are looking at. In contrast wolves have to fake scum hunting which some struggle to even fake while their conclusions are fabricated and not really based upon reads creating a potential gap between their reasoning and their conclusions.

In this game this does not exist. Wolves can genuinely hunt and have real reads with real reasoning making it more difficult to identify indicators.

Again, you’re just doubling down now. How do you know there’s a TP or not?

Can we please put votes on Helz and force him to full claim. He’s clearly coming from an informed perspective whether that be the TP statement or the one about scum choosing from a list.

MeowMix wrote:

We spent all morning bitching back and forth about Kohai being suited scum. It seems that we've more or less settled off of that theory for now so let's shelf it.

Is nobody considering that wagon being scum-led as a possibility because of how Kohai played? There are atleast 3 different players mindlessly sheeping at EOD and switching wagons.

I want to pursue Helz, Thoth, or Wylted from that wagon. I townread read Mikal, and REF passed my reaction test albeit it being weak. Banana was town and I buy Ultra’s claim.

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: RexFavilla

Which one of the 5 do you think is fake and why?

Yeah. Throwing a bit out here and there for softs to point to is great and all. And I do love the trolling. But I think we should be cautious about claims. Sniffing out the mafia is going to be more complicated with a confirmed 3p to deal with. They will be able to genuinely scum hunt because one exists in the game and the 3p itself adds all sorts of wild potentials into the situation

Can you elaborate on this post?

Claims List

Ultra - Boomers - Vanilla

MeowMix (Magoroth) - ??? - ???

Rex - ??? - ???

Whiteflame - Christians - ???

Thoth - ??? - ???

Pie - ??? - ???

Mikal - ??? - ???

Wryly - ??? - ???

Helz - ??? - ???

Wylted (Casey) - ??? - ???

Banana - Asians - 2x Lie Detector

Kohai - Russians - Town Drunk

Helz wrote:

Starting to feel like MeowMix is trying to throw shade >.>

Do you know them personally?

I asked Luna questions about the Tailor in the previous DP, and he said I can refer to Tailors in previous games and his modding style would be similar.

It doesn’t make sense to be able to change Inno/Guilty when the person was lynched. And Helz spreading this idea is really just causing more chaos which honestly is fueling my scumread on them

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.

That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.

So... explain this to me. Are you saying that the Tailor was used during DP1? Because he flipped innocent during the DP. Yeah, we got his flip today, but Luna straight up said he was innocent last DP. I've played in games where Luna has used a Tailor before - hell, I've been that Tailor - and having one where the Tailor is used during the DP, the mod outright confirms he was innocent, and flip also confirms it is hard to believe.

Ya that’s the problem. Luna refuses to answer if the flip last DP1 is possible to be Tailored

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Explain the Helz vote?

Only a few people could’ve seen the Wryly thing. He’s the person that comes to mind that I don’t town read plus find interesting that he asked Luna specifically if scum made the lie or not

VTL: Helz

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Nothing.

Really? Would you like to try again?

No, I did nothing.

Good job, you passed the reaction test. Who do you want to pursue?

I don’t buy Owen NKing Banana. Doesn’t make sense from a strategic perspective, and he’s dumb. Idt he would’ve realized what Banana was doing with the lie detector

wylted wrote:

I think the lie is a tailor being in the game given that the flips happen in the DP. That means the rest of the information in the op I am going to treat as gospel.

That doesn’t make sense lol

Playing around stupid is so hard

If I had to guess I would say the lie is five, purely because that's what I would choose as mafia for fake claiming.

Would you like to explain why you would say this if you know 5 is likely to be true considering you’re claiming Vanilla?

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Nothing.

Really? Would you like to try again?

Helz wrote:

On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.

That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.

What makes it “obvious” to you?

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Obviously their activity would seem weird they were only there for the last three pages. I don't want to pursue a claim

Its you or him, take your pick

We need to get a claim from Wylted. All of DP1 from that slot was a waste.