ILikePie5

Helz wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Yeah. Throwing a bit out here and there for softs to point to is great and all. And I do love the trolling. But I think we should be cautious about claims. Sniffing out the mafia is going to be more complicated with a confirmed 3p to deal with. They will be able to genuinely scum hunt because one exists in the game and the 3p itself adds all sorts of wild potentials into the situation

Can you elaborate on this post?

I believe true tells draw from differences between the alignments. This one comes from the fact that Town are uninformed while wolves are informed.

In a game without 3p Town has to hunt and read players. Because of this a number of differences exist such as towns hunting being genuine and the reads they get being truly based off the information they are looking at. In contrast wolves have to fake scum hunting which some struggle to even fake while their conclusions are fabricated and not really based upon reads creating a potential gap between their reasoning and their conclusions.

In this game this does not exist. Wolves can genuinely hunt and have real reads with real reasoning making it more difficult to identify indicators.

Again, you’re just doubling down now. How do you know there’s a TP or not?

Can we please put votes on Helz and force him to full claim. He’s clearly coming from an informed perspective whether that be the TP statement or the one about scum choosing from a list.

MeowMix wrote:

We spent all morning bitching back and forth about Kohai being suited scum. It seems that we've more or less settled off of that theory for now so let's shelf it.

Is nobody considering that wagon being scum-led as a possibility because of how Kohai played? There are atleast 3 different players mindlessly sheeping at EOD and switching wagons.

I want to pursue Helz, Thoth, or Wylted from that wagon. I townread read Mikal, and REF passed my reaction test albeit it being weak. Banana was town and I buy Ultra’s claim.

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: RexFavilla

Which one of the 5 do you think is fake and why?

Yeah. Throwing a bit out here and there for softs to point to is great and all. And I do love the trolling. But I think we should be cautious about claims. Sniffing out the mafia is going to be more complicated with a confirmed 3p to deal with. They will be able to genuinely scum hunt because one exists in the game and the 3p itself adds all sorts of wild potentials into the situation

Can you elaborate on this post?

Claims List

Ultra - Boomers - Vanilla

MeowMix (Magoroth) - ??? - ???

Rex - ??? - ???

Whiteflame - Christians - ???

Thoth - ??? - ???

Pie - ??? - ???

Mikal - ??? - ???

Wryly - ??? - ???

Helz - ??? - ???

Wylted (Casey) - ??? - ???

Banana - Asians - 2x Lie Detector

Kohai - Russians - Town Drunk

Helz wrote:

Starting to feel like MeowMix is trying to throw shade >.>

Do you know them personally?

I asked Luna questions about the Tailor in the previous DP, and he said I can refer to Tailors in previous games and his modding style would be similar.

It doesn’t make sense to be able to change Inno/Guilty when the person was lynched. And Helz spreading this idea is really just causing more chaos which honestly is fueling my scumread on them

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.

That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.

So... explain this to me. Are you saying that the Tailor was used during DP1? Because he flipped innocent during the DP. Yeah, we got his flip today, but Luna straight up said he was innocent last DP. I've played in games where Luna has used a Tailor before - hell, I've been that Tailor - and having one where the Tailor is used during the DP, the mod outright confirms he was innocent, and flip also confirms it is hard to believe.

Ya that’s the problem. Luna refuses to answer if the flip last DP1 is possible to be Tailored

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Explain the Helz vote?

Only a few people could’ve seen the Wryly thing. He’s the person that comes to mind that I don’t town read plus find interesting that he asked Luna specifically if scum made the lie or not

VTL: Helz

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Nothing.

Really? Would you like to try again?

No, I did nothing.

Good job, you passed the reaction test. Who do you want to pursue?

I don’t buy Owen NKing Banana. Doesn’t make sense from a strategic perspective, and he’s dumb. Idt he would’ve realized what Banana was doing with the lie detector

wylted wrote:

I think the lie is a tailor being in the game given that the flips happen in the DP. That means the rest of the information in the op I am going to treat as gospel.

That doesn’t make sense lol

Playing around stupid is so hard

If I had to guess I would say the lie is five, purely because that's what I would choose as mafia for fake claiming.

Would you like to explain why you would say this if you know 5 is likely to be true considering you’re claiming Vanilla?

RexFavilla wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Nothing.

Really? Would you like to try again?

Helz wrote:

On that subject I call absolute bullshit to that role card and Kohai flipping innocent. I feel that is pretty obvious but would like to hear others thoughts before I unpack why.

That means to me that there is a split in flavor as the mechanic thats a lie.

What makes it “obvious” to you?

RexFavilla wrote:

wylted wrote:

Pretty obvious she was lie detector given asking people to say their win con. Just keep an eye open for statements that can be lie detected without signalling that next time. Also I don't think Asians being smelly is a real stereotype. And no Indians don't get to claim asian so they can try to trick us into thinking they are slant eyes when news reports come out about their rapey and also their Jew like behavior

TBH that went completely over my head, and agree about the smelly.

I was thinking she and Ultra were scum together and couldn't make sense of her stances last DP. I thought maybe she had lie detected a statement live in the DP like Kohai's 'I win with the town' but Luna said she could only use it as a night action. I really need to go back to the drawing board now.

So, I’ll ask the question. What did you do last night?

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Obviously their activity would seem weird they were only there for the last three pages. I don't want to pursue a claim

Its you or him, take your pick

We need to get a claim from Wylted. All of DP1 from that slot was a waste.

Welcome, have you ever played mafia before?

Full claim dawg

Full claim dawg

whiteflame wrote:

Mikal wrote:

Kohai did functionally claim vanilla

Is no one reading this dp ....

Dude, he claimed a named role. I get that the role is functionally Vanilla in terms of night actions, but your line of questioning basically just assumed he was actually Vanilla in role. I don't get that.

Well, we don’t know what he claimed. He first claimed Town Drunk.

Thoth wrote:

Kohai wrote:

This game will be an open mechanical set up, meaning I will openly tell you all the mechanics of the game. There is however one catch: One of these mechanics, and only one, is a lie fed by the mafia team

It doesn't say that the scum team chose them from a list. The wording makes it sound like the scum team could have, and likely did, write the fake mechanic themselves. I'm not sure yet who first said that the Mafia team picked it from a list, but Helz suggested so in #396.

Yes, I pointed this out. The way it’s written, it sounds like scum wrote the lie. Helz apparently asked a lot of questions beforehand privately and Luna said he gave them a list of lies

Wryly wrote:

Kohai wrote:

Frum mafiaskum:

A Named Townie is a role that has no real abilities, but differs from a normal Vanilla Townie in the sense it has a different name from an actual Vanilla Townie. This in itself can be powerful.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Named_Townie

Teknically, my role is "town drunk" and my abilities is I'm forced to talk like I'm drunk." This basically collapses into a named townie with posting restrictions.

Weird.

I wasn't even aware of a drunk Russian stereotype. Isn't that more an Irish stereotype?

Also a fair point

Helz wrote:

I would also like thoughts on Mikals role claim. A forced modifier that changes how they post as they are a VT? This does not make sense to me in line with anything I have seen so far on this site.

Its not just a citizen its a citizen thats kinda painful to play with an obligation that makes it easy for it to get itself killed. Im highly questioning how likely this would be in the game. Any of you old heads want to step up and give a take on if this is out of place for this site as it feels to me?

Luna uses custom roles pretty frequently. It’s conceivable that “Town Drunk” is a role he created. However, I’ve mentioned this before before what a Drunk is also a Roleblocker, which more often than not is a scum role.

Talking like a drunk could be to coverup the fact that they are a roleblocker. It’s why he’s been so inconsistent. First he says he’s a Town Drunk, then he says he’s a Named Townie. Combine that with the modified of being modkilled. Don’t like it at all

Helz wrote:

Wryly wrote:

Luna also just confirmed that 0 fake claims were given to *anyone*, so if Mech 1 is true, 3P were given no fake claim.

Good catch. That also makes 3 even less likely to be the lie.

You mean more likely. If scum were notified they would not receive any fake claims, then straight claiming their character with zero risk is the best idea

Kohai wrote:

Re #5: I just got confurmation that I am not consideredd vinilla. Im essssenrjakly a named town.

Wym essentially? Youre either a named townie or not. What is the exact name Luna used for your role?