Assign probabilities of each being scum and why.
Also. Thoth used 3 names that he claimed was Jinwoo: Helz, REF, Alyssa. Why do you think he did this?
Who is more likely to be scum: Wryly or REF and why
Why do you think Luna said he townread REF?
Why is Yoo Jinho a Tracker?
Why did you call Thoth “step-sister”
I’ll play along. Why did Thoth continue to proclaim his innocence even after being lynched?
unvote
Fine. If you have such a hard-on for taking our time and grilling even people we know we're going to lynch, why did you cut DP1 short by two days?
Lol love the uno reverse. Ask yourself why Thoth kept saying he was innocent in twilight.
VTL Helz
Vote Count
Helz (5/7) Mestari, Rex, Mag1c, Kohai, Wryly
Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader
Awesome (1/7) Shining
Unvote cause I wanna hear the answer to Wryly’s question
The “socially conditioned” is a real strategy whether you like it or not. I’ve caught scum all day long based on their character, role, and justifications. You think it doesn’t work. I’m telling you that it works.
Everyone here thinks behaviorally you’re not town. We can lynch you without you full claiming. But we recognize that our reads can be wrong. So we’re giving you a chance to reveal everything. If you were a Cop for example, everyone would realize they’re wrong, Unvote you, and move on.
You also need to realize that there are at least 4 townies on the wagon who scumread you whether it’s behaviorally, mechanically, whatever. It’s your job to convince your fellow townies that you are town. Everyone knows their reads may be wrong. You acting like you’re obviously town is disingenuous and dis nothing to dissuade the scumread on you.
There’s a reason there are only like 10 pages usually in our 9p games. Not everyone engages. It’s impossible to get people to engage. Your idea is right in the sense that people should say as much shit as possible and ask questions, but people don’t no matter how many times you tell them. Shining is the prime example.
I read your guide. There’s good stuff in there, but the problem with it is that humans themselves don’t follow logic. Kohai is a prime example of that. All your theory works if there’s logic in the game. But there’s only a few people with the level of logic and brainpower and town to actually play the game.
Vote Count
Helz (6/7) Mestari, Rex, Pie, Mag1c, Kohai, Wryly
Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader
Awesome (1/7) Shining
VTL HelZ
Can’t
You also should know that only some people are enough to continue arguing with you. One of them being me. There’s a reason why in normal games
I don’t got that much time. I can play live
What I just told the guild as well is that I will flip town but go after shining afterwards. This was a stupid elimination but I do not even have much to argue against or anyone vetting me so just get on with it. In future games you will know that a refusal to claim a part of a role does not equate to any sort of guilt.
And we will lynch you every time. You’re lucky Luna isn’t here lol. He would be all over you for this.
And really hopefully the town starts to scratch their head and say "Wait, why do we demand role claims to begin with...." You guys fucked this all the way up.
We demand role claims as a last resort to ensure we aren’t lynching a Cop or something. It’s pretty easy. If you were transparent, we can work out your motives and what you did.
Mag1cman wants to get responses in so I’ll hold off on hammer
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No. I have not ever payed against my win condition and I will not. You guys want to do a stupid its on you
You literally said you played to act like a TP lmao. But it’s anti-town to not claim. Everyone here recognizes that. If you want to throw, which this is what it is, then you can throw. If a mod confirmed townie is asking you to do something, then you do it.
That is this elimination. Without knowing why I am going to be killed because I do not full claim. Without questioning if there is a town or scum motive or how that would solve the game in any way its what we are going to do. Your meta social conditioning is a joke and I just shrug and say "Do it then" and your gona act like its my fault when I flip town. But you are the conditioned monkeys not thinking things through in this situation.
Go ahead and do it. I am not going to play less optimal just because you have a rehearsed norm of demanding a full claim.
You are being killed because you are the likely leaker. You had incentive to poison Mag1cman. You made a complete 180 with lynching the unCCed Cop. And you refuse to claim, which is exactly how we verified that Alyssa and Thoth were scum.
Town’s job is to not get lynched. Your “motives” and their AI are subject to WIFOM. If you think your role isn’t going to be adequate for us to switch to another wagon, fine, but you’re not even trying
And I told you multiple times I am 100% good with being eliminated and will not give you a claim. And that even having a full claim does nothing to prove my alignment.
Then follow the steps of your fellow scum and vote yourself. Save us some time
Like really, In what world do you say "Dude is scum" and have no interest in their reads and shit. Lol. Could not even make this up
Why does everyone have to interact with you to do stuff? I already told you that ur going to be lynched if you don’t claim. And you’re throwing by refusing to claim. In the off chance you’re town, say who you think are the 2 scum and why
Vote him if he’s not going to cooperate
Luna flipped Tracker, so his ability is already sus
You guys just have some default "Full claim or die" thing but your turning the brain cells off asking why you are even doing that. If I have 2 people that can confirm I was role blocked for most of the game and took exactly 1 action and I confirm what that action was demanding the rest is just you wanting info. Nothing actually AI in the current situation. Do what you want with that.
You can’t confirm anything. You can’t confirm you even took the action.
I feel I owe you an apology. I may be frustrated with the game but it was not cool for me to say what I did. I do view you as a strong player and I should not have said that to you. I can only say that I am sorry and vented on you. Regardless of what happens I was out of line there. I was wrong for saying that to you.
Lol it’s fine, it’s just a game. Me and Luna have duked it out many more times and it was far, but we’re still chill. What happens in the game stays in the game.
That said, full claim or be lynch. You have till 8pm CST before I tell everyone to vote you