ILikePie5

Can't find anything on Yoo Jinho and goggles. Give me the scoop.

He’s probably making shit up lol. Why would anyone give him shit vs giving it to the guild leaders

Orrrr you have actively hindered it by refusing to just sort yourself and then making demands that are not even AI. 

Lol, I have already said the leaker is scum and I think you’re the leaker, which means you’re scum. That’s either you or REF. I buy REF’s role with Wryly’s role and Luna’s flip.

Also, roles are AI lmao. We proved it with Thoth and Alyssa.

Your use to doing this robotic thing where you demand a claim. Ok. Great... Exactly how does it help you sort my alignment to know that I can track people? What possible piece of information right now is useful about that?

Because if you claim something that fits the puzzle, I’m willing to move on. But you refuse to, so you’re going to be lynched. It’s anti-town at best to not full claim, especially when you’re on the chopping block.

Vote Count

Helz (5/7) Mestari, Rex, Pie, Mag1c, Kohai

Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader

Awesome (1/7) Shining

What did REF hide?

Nothing, afaik. What he said in guildchat was that all investigative results targetting him are randomized. I guess this could be what Helz is calling Miller, but I have no idea. 

He said in his monologue that REF was hiding something

Then lynch me you dunce. People kept acting like your some super strong player and I just do not see it. I see a power tripping mid level player with little understanding of how the game works. You can not get over your own hubris far enough to lead the town. 

You haven’t seen my bingo sheet lol. I’ve led town to failure sure, but I’ve led them to victory far more. And being forced to full claim predates even me. People who refuse to full claim get lynched, because townies listen to other townies and try to stop themselves from getting lynched.

I bet Shining is laughing their ass off watching this interaction.

Yep, you’re actively hindering a lynch on him by not full claiming.

What did REF hide about his role?

So to start I was given an invite to join a guild. My role I considered weak. I felt that the benefit of having a confirmed town with a chat was much more of an asset to me. I prefer to win games though actually being good instead of taking a lucky action anyways. Pre-game I even flatly told Pie I intended on open wolfing. https://discord.com/channels/1390507525673189466/1390511970310033428/1488710968019259473 (Discord link to the post) They said they would insta lynch and I said "Challenge accepted." Woulda pulled this shit regardless of my alignment roll. (Eyh Pie, You did not do it brah~)

That was an obvious troll but whatever, don’t really care.

Something about me personally I have said multiple times in my guild chat- I got tired of winning a long time ago. Now I set challenges for myself to make things interesting. This was one of them. I very specifically wanted to open wolf and when I rolled town I decided it would be fun to see if I could invert the game. Glorious situation when someone is viewed as 3p in Lylo and becomes kingmaker then demands the other players argue about who is more scummy as opposed to more town. Those were my goals for this game. I feel I was on track with people suspecting me so much as 3p. I bet a handful of you do not even know why you think I am 3p instead of mafia with all the bullshit I was doing : )

So you were playing contra to your wincon so that you could challenge yourself.

A) That’s stupid

B) That’s selfish

Over and over through my guild chat I voiced effort to be viewed as 3p. As people suspected me I reinforced their suspicion. Was actually a point of humor that I had to work so hard to be suspected that we had a lot of banter about in guild chat. I did a lot of work there trying to be midrange read insulating myself from KPN and setting up for a potential glorious 3p claim that would have been fucking epic and hilarious. Either of my guild mates can verify this and its not hard to see it if you Iso me as I constantly ramble about wanting to eat your children and how I am the most evil. At some point D1 I think someone even called me out and I said something along the lines of "Holy fucking shit what does it take to be scum read in this community" as I was also trying to play a lynchbait move D1 that did not pan out. Idea being you make yourself look scummy and bait an opportunistic wolf to bite then you dig. Kinda some FPS bullshit but very effective D1 strategy imo.

No one suspected you besides Magicman and Wylted basically lol

As our guild chat started I voiced heavy concerns about us outing roles and projecting intended actions. I was very up front about the fact that our discord chat would allow anyone joining after the fact would mean they can read anything posted and we should hide such information as it gives us no benefit. I also created a plan that even the guild leaders action should be vague. They should not confirm exactly what they will do but instead take advice from the guild on what should be done.

And that’s where Luna did it wrong. His job is to sort through the bs. If you think someone is scum, you shouldn’t be recruiting them in the first place.

Rex claimed Miller right off the bat as well as their action. Not sure if they have claimed it but no good in me saying what that is.

Oh so he’s holding something back. Let’s hear it. I’m sure Wryly knows too. I would like to hear it.

This is something I never let go of. I voiced to Lunatic that at any moment they wanted they could demand my claim and I would give it to them. I also cautioned that I did not think it was a good play.

Reverse psychology, nice

N1 Lunatic asked me if I felt we should recruit or use actions. I voiced that developing more power for the town was what I favored. I flatly voiced that I felt my power was underwhelming and not worth not recruiting.

For D1 I agreed that Thoth was scummy. I was the first (and only) person to really shove Alyssa. I also hammered Thoth while pushing them really hard for information. I tried to keep them engaged as I milked them for information. Everyone wagoned Alyssa post Thoth flip and in D2 I maintained in my guild chat that I felt they would flip scum but I had concerns. Lunatic even gave me shit about how much I was shoving them D1 in our chat to look at Alyssa and now that Alyssa was the elimination train I was pumping the breaks. I wanted real reasoning I could work with. That did not happen. I got a bunch of people regurgitating the same talking points and with a mafia flip we had a useless train and no counter train.

So you want to take credit for lynching Alyssa lol. Nice

So yeah. I bitched at the town EOD2. Honestly towns macro game has been dogshit imo. Do what you want with my opinion there. Play some Bon Jovi living on a prayer as you lean on mech demanding claims and shit.

So D2 rolls around. Now I get Castin in our chat. They reported an inno check on Alyssa at some point. I missed it in the guild chat. Was not bothering to keep up with chat and am kinda low effort this game tbh. After the fact I did question that asking why they did not fight harder to defend Alyssa if they had a hard cop check on the player. This is where my distrust of them started. Somewhere in D2 Lunatic brought up that I was the only one in the chat not to claim and I again offered them to full claim or give a half claim preventing the harm of a full claim. They declined.

So then why were you talking about all the manipulation possible when you’re talking with me lmaoo

Really stupid lynch plays out. Hit a mafia- cool... We got nothing from it because towns macro was utter garbage. I wanted things I could work with later. Voiced multiple times that the game is chess not checkers and I wanted more. We got a good flip that set town up late game for failure imo. Yes it was the conclusion but we should have created so much more.

Everyone repeatedly asking you what you wanted lol.

Now D3 kicks off. Castin has a red check on pie. Ok.. Their previous green check on Alyssa was obviously bad (and this was before they were in the guild and they handled it oddly imo) but sure. Our guild leader was killed and I pushed that we should angle the situation pushing a read based shove on Pie. I was building it but struggling a bit. Rex just went yolo Leroy Jinkens claiming the hard action before I was able to post and I pushed with pressure. Cool thing that it was hiding our alignment cop that was unknown to even be a part of our team which we did discuss but obviously landed on a confirmable town. This makes 2/2 of Wyrly's results being flatly wrong. Interesting bit there. We go down this entire train of stupid as Pie refuses to verify and I push in guild chat that they should get no info until they claim. (Still have zero understanding why that was even a subject of contention in the day chat. Wtf..)

Cause you’re just dumb. There is no scum motivation to do what I did.

That plays out and at some point Rex decides to blow up the team. I have said my piece in guild chat about that. Rex has been a ghost sense they outed me. I have pinged them and offered to interact- they have nothing to say so far. Wyrly has been pressuring me to get with the sites meta and that I should claim which is a good look. They seem genuinely upset that I am not willing to give you guys a claim. 

Thats a decent overview of what I have done this game. You guys do not get access to the 1-2k posts I have made in guild chat as I sort and hunt but I did give my people a fucking ear full about how I understand the DP players suspecting me while I feel its absolute bullshit they could not sort me in guild chat. A whole truckload of stupid got dumped on a pretty simple situation. Shining has a claim that looks fake and Pie had a red check that got sorted. 

Ehhh, But yeah. Ask me for whatever and I will give you my thoughts. But here is my role claim

"You are Helz

Passive- 

You will tell everyone to go fuck themselves if they play in a stupid way and demand information thats not even AI

Active-

You have a tracking function. Its a thing.

You have another function. Wont ever be spoken of until my flip.

Do what you guys want with that. Feel free to milk me for information if your gona go down that road. I will respond as long as I am around the computer.

Nothing you said makes me feel better besides maybe the fact that REF is hiding something. Full claim or be lynched. Idrc

Uh hu. Thats what I said eyh? Just actually read my next post. We may disagree on strategy but I will unpack what I have done and why.

I’ll read whatever you want me to read, but you’re not going to get out of full claiming

Caught up with the thread now. I have a decent bit to say but quite honestly, Im not getting with your sites bullshit meta. Will write a wall explain what I have done and why this game though. 

Forcing people we think are scum to claim is now bullshit meta? Wow

He has until 9pm CST tonight. Otherwise, I will fully pursue his lynch

After a back-and-forth with Helz in guildchat it seems clear he's not going to claim in the DP. I'm pretty frustrated, so yeah, consider my vote on Helz. In the interests of not putting him at L-1 just yet I'm not VTLing. I'd like to discuss Shining a bit more. Still haven't decided if they're both scum, one scum and one 3P, one scumchat scum and one Lost Wolf, or what.

I’d be frustrated too. Your entire team plan blown up by Pie and Wylted lol. If he doesn’t want to claim, that’s fine. We will treat him just like how we have treated everyone else. He probably still thinks I’m bluffing, which I’m not. It’s anti-town for him to not claim.

Good sheep.

Vote Count

Helz (4/7) Mestari, Rex, Pie, Mag1c

Shining (2/7) Helz, Vader

Awesome (1/7) Shining

Can't believe you were still sussing me when I had to practically be held back from coming clean after Pie's innocence confirmation. And I was the one arguing with Helz in guildchat and being like "Helz put yourself in their shoes..." and "nah Banana is right..."

You - you're not my real guild dad!

It’s okay, the big bad mafia can’t hurt you anymore. Daddy Pie to the recuse!

Keep reading

Also, Helz should go first. If he refuses, then we can push it to tomorrow. Both my guild members know each other’s claims so they can verify each other if I die

Sure. But anyone we're not confident about goes before me. Fair?

Dunno if we’ll ever get Casey. Let me ask Mikal if he can replace her

I know Helz isn't town. I just reckon they may also not be mafia, unless maybe they are lost wolf and had no knowledge of who they partners were.

I think they’re probably Mafia for a couple reasons. They character claimed for no reason in DP1. And Mag1cman was poisoned. He was suspicious of Helz. With Alyssa having the Poison, it makes sense they coordinated that in addition to whatever Redirector or role they have

Since the cop and doc are already outted, let's mass claim. I've softed multiple times so I'll go last.

I know my guild’s full claims. I would prefer you go before them. I fully townread both of them.

He’s 100% not town. He went from saying we 100% shouldn’t lynch an un-CCed Cop to Wryly as an un-CCed Cop could be scum

Nah, going back to work. If I give a claim I will give one of two functions. I will never give a full claim. You can have it on my flip

You’re not in a position to negotiate. You think I’m bluffing. You can ask anyone in the game, and they will two you that I’m not

Well I’m adulting. Probably never going to full claim. You guys can pretty much go fuck yourselves there.

Oh believe me. We will. You’re not the first one.

Yes I lied about rejecting the guild invite. I worked to angle myself as a mid range town read for kill insulation and prior to game starting set myself the goals of open wolfing and trying to invert the game if I got to LYLO.

I have not trusted Rex from the start of my guild situation because they claimed a hard killer function. 

Negative utility roles are common. But regardless, we can lynch him after if you flip town.

I can simply say I will be around in a few hours if you guys want to sort me and I have been on the right side of flips so far. Your community uses nonsense mech as a crutch so feel free to kill me if you can’t deal with a full claim or if you want to speed hammer before I can respond. 

Sure we’ll give you time. But if you refuse to full claim, we will lynch you.

Towns honestly going full retard today with an outed fake claim imo.

What outted fake claim

I can’t believe yall didn’t force Helz to full claim in the guild. That’s the first thing I did with all my recruits

That was Kohai level of retard. I should’ve known he was being disingenuous. Magicman was telling me about Helz the entire time lol. Wylted was too

I'm interested in Wyrly's NP1 innocent on Alyssa. If she wasn't in the guild yet, why would we think she had been redirected?

Probably some sort of lawyer

I thought he did already?

unvote

Nah he just character claimed unprompted in DP1

Unvote

VTL Helz

Vote Count:

Helz (4/7) Mestari, Rex, Mag1c, Pie

Rex (2/7) Kohai, Banana

Awesome (1/7) Shining

Shining (1/7) Helz

I can’t recruit you if you’re the guild leader

Full claim.