ILikePie5

Im against ending the day. I want to see more from our sleepers and I want to see what Alyssa has to say when they engage.

+1

At the very least, reads from Vader, Banana, Shining, and Max

2) Thoth remains my strongest TR

Why do you townread Thoth?

I doubt my role and character make sense together. But I also have not seen the show.

I do not want to burn 12 hours of my life watching something just for context to play this game but I do question the connection between the two

That’s where we lean on the people who’ve seen the show. I personally read the wikis whe I can. 97% of the themes on this site, I don’t know lol

I have thoughts on Mestari, VTNLing and guild leaders, but given that I'm busy with job hunting right now I can't be as active as I was last game. You're free to think I'm lazy, but you're also free to bite me. 

I'm still walking home from my interview. I'll address each when I get home.

What type of career are you in

No NK NP1 is a good reason to not lynch yet! We'll have more information tomorrow on which to base our decision!

And we’ll have even more information if we lynch

We gain information from town PRs, most likely. We also gain info from who tried to recruit whom

Thats the exact same argument in a normal game.

I am very critical of this specifically. One of the things I have not directly called out about them but there is MASSIVE benefit for scum to know who was recruited and has activated abilities. Its between poor town play and absolute opportunistic scum play to pressure wylted for their recruitments. We should lock down public knowledge of these factors until we are in the mid/late game with a blatant cost/benefit evaluation of such knowledge being public.

Exactly. Why would we wanna tell scum exactly who has activated abilities. Makes zero sense

Bout fuckin time

<3

more coming. I slightly scumread Helz and Pie, feel conflicted on Alyssa and Kohai.

i get me, but elaborate on the others

While you are here if I could pick your mind on the subject of flavor. I am seeing a lot of demands for people to claim who they are as the character in the game. I generally look at flavor as NAI but on this site is that a thing? Bad alignments get the bad characters and good alignments get the good ones?

Its not necessarily is the character good/bad. It’s: would this character exist. Does the role make sense for this character. Does the mod justification the person is saying make sense

I'll also do some soft claiming to help appease suspicion on me. I can do things outside of being recruited, and there's a part of my role PM that's confirmable.

Confirmable don’t really matter if it’s not affiliation indicative

Regarding the actual sus being thrown at me, there's a pretty clear person that's being left off the list of people who's familiar with Mestari on a mafia level and a personal level that matches me (which I hinted at in #386, though I didn't spell it out to not provide Thoth with a get-out-of-jail-free card in case he is scum). Mikal (i.e. the person hosting this game) is just as familiar with Mestari as I am, both on a mafia level and a personal level (arguable as to who knows Mestari better per se, but it's a hair that's not worth splitting for this context). All it'd take is one question in Thoth's role pm of "Hey who's this Mestari guy who's blowing up the discord with sex jokes" for some level of understanding to be imparted. So sure, if Thoth flips scum then I could be scum by association, but there are other explanations to this.

This is hilarious

Well, this is fun. Its nice to wake up to 500 messages that I'll have to read.

Post reads after catching up. Don’t be like last game where we lost

Is there anything important between this Luna/Thoth dick measuring contest or can I go back to being confused by Helz's suspicion of me?

Do you find it scummy? Why or why not?

@ ILikePie5 can you explain your thought process transitioning between Mestari and Kohai (who was voting your Mestari)

I liked Mestari’s responses to me. I thought that Kohai was pretty opportunistic with the whole lying about GF thing. And before you say why would scum do that. Kohai is the definition of dumb

Your vote on thoth here is interesting. Are you thinking that mestari is bussing here? Because the main logic here is that someone who knows and has played with mestari on DDO told him he was a fear kill option. That limits the amount of people to him, you me, and maybe mharman (who apparently only played with him once). Potentially Rex (Skep) I can't honestly remember if skep played with mestari, but its a possibility. I guess you could make a case that airmax did as well, though I have no evidence to suggest max is aware the day phase is up atm. I dont think vader (supa) played with him but if he did he was ultra noob when he did and probably doesn't remember him. I don't think Whiteflame played mafia til DART days which was long after mestaris retirement, though he was around DDO to know of him and maybe said something to the respect of his play. Either way, these are all possibilities I could consider, but Thoth being scum would heavily implicate you in this scenario.

My problem with Alyssa is she just ignored 11 pages of information and stuck on the most recent thing. It’s lazy

Vote: Thoth for the reasons stated.

Given that pretty much everyone has at least poked their head in enough to skim the DP (save Helz), I think we are pretty much treating Luna and Wylted as town confirmed at this point given the lack of CC (scum would be suicidal to CC them anyway).

Mestari's analysis of Pie being FT in a trench coat is hilariously accurate.

So you have no thoughts on Mestari? No thoughts on VTNL? No thoughts on whether the guild leaders should’ve claimed?

i am struggling to catch up here but it looks like pie and mestari are going at it, both guild leaders claimed 4 sum reason, and kohai full claimed without pressure. am i missing anything or does that about sum it up

Yes, but you need to post reads

Wow, great counter-argument, you sure convinced me!

Youre welcome, but the argument has always been the same. We gain information with flips. Plus there will be no NK NP1

Lowkey Alyssa might be the godfather. There are reasons for this I will not disclose at this time. Just putting it out there.

Curious to hear the reason

How do you know those roles even exist? Most town roles aren't usable yet anyway. 

I don’t, but scum don’t know either. And usually there are protective roles and watcher is common as well.

Why did you do a complete 180 between 303 and 309?

Same question for you: what does knowing who was recruited bring to the table for you?

Have you already claimed who you recruited?

What is the purpose of knowing this?

I specifically think that the guild leaders should out who they have already recruited and who they will recruit at night so that we can maximize the number of recruited players for the night where we agree to not recruit at all and use all of our actions at the same time. Wasting recruits by targeting the same people means less roles get activated on the big night.

That would involve the people that are themselves saying so + it’s possible scum could be themselves and recruited

Mestari isn't dumb. He is actually imo one of the best we've seen on DDO. I hate saying that because I don't want to boost his ego. He is a bit of an asshole, but that is neither here nor there.

Sounds like a Wylted but with ego

Man, if I were scum here and Mestari and Pie were both town, I would be living the dream vacation. The two fearkill targets going mano-a-mano while I get to kick my feet up. This concerns me.

Why do you think Mestari would be a fear kill target? Have you played with him before?

If I correctly understand how guild recruitment works, this could give an interesting game-theoretic solution: If both guilds don't recruit anyone from now on, they will have the same number of members and should all win together. I will ask Mikal whether or not a tie in members lets the guild leader win.

So what was the response?

FUCK, I just got scheduled overtime literally every single day next week. Sucks balls.

So are you gay or straight? Kinda confused

Alright you apes, Pie is back