Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #330)
So Jade is the dude that thought the whole town was a conspiracy or something and that he was in an escape room for like half the season. He was the dude that everyone hated. I don't see why this character would be so town that pie would need to wait to L-1 to claim it.
It said he’s one of the main characters when I read the wiki
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/28/2026 at 10:08 AM (post #328)
The only people Pie doesn’t townread are the inactives. So I see the idea th at Pie’s dealing with typical scum problem of having ahard time coming up with convincing scumreads bc he knows everyone else is town. But that’s a circular reasoning that assumes he wouldn’t be scumreading the inactives if they showed up, which presupposes he’s scum.
The bigger issue is the lack of a push on Kohai despite declared intent to do so after moving on from Thoth. Pie lmk if you have an additional reason to townread Kohai but from I gleaned its vibes + pity. Vibes is weak and don’t see you as the type to pity someone to point of not pressuring. You’ve always been an “it’s just business” type of guy, so even if you pity someone you’d still pressure if they’ve been a problem for you.
He claimed to be confirmable. Which reminds me that he hasn’t answered whether he’s role or affiliation
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #326)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #323)
You know full well pie would rage quit if he was scum with my retarded was
I've seen pie bitch and complain, but never rage quit.
If I was scum with Kohai, and you and Mag1c called us out, I 100% would quit. Game is over at that point.
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/28/2026 at 10:06 AM (post #322)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 28/08/2026 at 17:03 (post #321)
Are you gonna comment?
I would if I had anything to comment. I kinda just want this day to end, hopefully something interesting happens tomorrow.
How do you want it to end? Any thoughts on that?
Idk what more to say boss man. I’ve claimed Jade Herrera. At this point it’s just pure tunnel from Luna, where he’s been wrong before ie the Anonymous game.
Are you gonna comment?
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:56 AM (post #297)
Okay and? You’ve tunneled me multiple times and I’ve been town every time lol.
You find one example, and the one example is of you being a massive hypocrite, and doing the same thing you are accusing me of, the irony is pretty funny.
On REF? Idk. I was referring to the Thoth vote
I am not seeing a lot of arguments that say that Thoth is a liability for being town in your game and not clutching it up lol Or for him being "buddying" me about wylted, only you.
What do you mean? Wylted voted Thoth, Mag1c voted Thoth cause they agreed with the argument.
Your mind has been set since last night. Let’s be real here. Pie = scum.
Last night was when you should have claimed bother. Everyone has been asleep since then and now the day phase is ending. It's almost like you knew you could argue your way out of this and stall for time while people aren't online to call you on your bs.
I’m not “stalling.” It’s not my fault people aren’t active. You’re the one willing to fall to a No Lynch because of…wait for it…inactives
For the record, I did character claim just now cause I don’t want a No lynch at all.
Where and what did you claim?
Jade Herrera
He just said he agrees. He hasn’t even read the thread. He read what you said and took at prima facie without reading anything else.
He called you out for town reading everyone.
And again, he didn’t read. I don’t townread everyone.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:43 AM (post #290)
What are you even talking about it? And how do you know he’s a townie?
I am talking about the anonymous game where you tunneled banana who was town lol
Okay and? You’ve tunneled me multiple times and I’ve been town every time lol.
And it was “bad logic” just for you. Other people agreed with me.
Both wylteds and Kohais votes are bandwagon votes. All of me thoth and magic are on you for actual behavior.
On REF? Idk. I was referring to the Thoth vote
Pride? Really? Like look at yourself dude. I admitted I was wrong with Thoth and moved on. I got what I needed. You just refuse to even consider for a second that I’m town. Even if I did claim, you’d still lynch me.
You refuse to acknowledge any responsibility for putting yourself in this situation, and continue to believe I am tunneling you despite the fact that I showed you evidence I would have been able to have been swayed into voting an inactive had you been willing to claim earlier. Now we have less than an hour left, and you still haven't claimed. How are you managing to be the victim here when you've had every oppertunity to dig yourself out of this hole?
Your mind has been set since last night. Let’s be real here. Pie = scum. For the record, I did character claim just now cause I don’t want a No lynch at all.
You’re saying the exact same thing you said in the Vanilla game. And no one else is “picking” anything up. Thoth was on me before you, and Mago is just wagoning and disappeared again.
If mago is bandwagoning why did you guys have a multi-response engagement about your behavior? Seems much different that a bandwagon from my shoes.
He just said he agrees. He hasn’t even read the thread. He read what you said and took at prima facie without reading anything else.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:36 AM (post #278)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:33 AM (post #276)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:28 AM (post #272)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:23 AM (post #267)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:19 AM (post #263)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:16 AM (post #261)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183
And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard
Soft claiming isn't a compromise, its a cop out that lets you get away with it. Thoth didn't have a good reason to claim. You are the only person who seems to genuinely scum read him. Wylted and kohai are on that wagon and seem to be more or less bandwagoning you, where as the people voting you actually seem to scum read you. The difference in the quality of the wagon make up is staggering.
Lol really? I’ll let you decide how you want me to soft claim. Something only you would know. Your wagon literally has Mago who hasn’t done anything. And then Thoth who voted me before you. I have Wylted who you think is town if I’m not mistaken, and Kohai who has claimed to be confirmable. Pretty easy
Maybe if you had come with this earlier than ONE HOUR left of the day phase we could talk. Unfortunately we are at the place now where I just wanna lynch you.
It’s literally just you and me. We still have an hour. Tell me however, you want me to soft claim. I will literally do it. If another person comes on, fine I’ll full claim
Why are you unwilling to even character claim? Why does this have to be a soft situation? What if I find your soft scummy? You will just accuse me of tunneling more. It's too late man, we have an hour left and we need a lynch. As it stands I'd prefer you be that lynch based on all the behavior difference I have noticed so far.
I will character claim. Fine. Jade Herrera. Now can we please vote REF and avoid the no lynch.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:35 AM (post #277)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:31 AM (post #274)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:27 AM (post #270)
It would be really great if someone else could enter the thread. We are likely going to hit a no lynch here.
Youre actively enabling a no lynch. Literally just take a step back and think about you tunneling me. Just cause you don’t think it’s logical, doesn’t mean it’s illogical. You alrwady fell into this trap in that Anonymous game with the whole Vanilla. It’s literally the exact same situation here.
I mean you were deadset that a townie was scum and tunneled them on bad logic to your own death.
What are you even talking about it? And how do you know he’s a townie?
And it was “bad logic” just for you. Other people agreed with me.
You are willing to let pride overcome your ability to play this game to your maximum, which is probably the only thing holding you from being one of the greats as a mafia player. You are good, you and me both know that. But you dying on hills like this never does you any favors. It's okay to be wrong. If I am wrong here, I'll accept this on the chin. But I do think your behavior has been drastically different this game, and I feel like others are picking up on that as well.
Pride? Really? Like look at yourself dude. I admitted I was wrong with Thoth and moved on. I got what I needed. You just refuse to even consider for a second that I’m town. Even if I did claim, you’d still lynch me.
You’re saying the exact same thing you said in the Vanilla game. And no one else is “picking” anything up. Thoth was on me before you, and Mago is just wagoning and disappeared again.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:28 AM (post #272)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:23 AM (post #267)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:19 AM (post #263)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:16 AM (post #261)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183
And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard
Soft claiming isn't a compromise, its a cop out that lets you get away with it. Thoth didn't have a good reason to claim. You are the only person who seems to genuinely scum read him. Wylted and kohai are on that wagon and seem to be more or less bandwagoning you, where as the people voting you actually seem to scum read you. The difference in the quality of the wagon make up is staggering.
Lol really? I’ll let you decide how you want me to soft claim. Something only you would know. Your wagon literally has Mago who hasn’t done anything. And then Thoth who voted me before you. I have Wylted who you think is town if I’m not mistaken, and Kohai who has claimed to be confirmable. Pretty easy
Maybe if you had come with this earlier than ONE HOUR left of the day phase we could talk. Unfortunately we are at the place now where I just wanna lynch you.
It’s literally just you and me. We still have an hour. Tell me however, you want me to soft claim. I will literally do it. If another person comes on, fine I’ll full claim
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:27 AM (post #270)
It would be really great if someone else could enter the thread. We are likely going to hit a no lynch here.
Youre actively enabling a no lynch. Literally just take a step back and think about you tunneling me. Just cause you don’t think it’s logical, doesn’t mean it’s illogical. You alrwady fell into this trap in that Anonymous game with the whole Vanilla. It’s literally the exact same situation here.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:24 AM (post #268)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:20 AM (post #264)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:15 AM (post #260)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:06 AM (post #254)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:04 AM (post #251)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #247)
Options are simple.
1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)
2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort
Lynch the dude who is acting differently than he normally does by tunneling someone for the oddest reason, giving kohai a pass when he normally pushes him d1, and instead trying to intimidate people away from lynching him even though he would never give someone else the same pass in his shoes.
The reason is common sense in wanting to solve Thoth early because he’s always an odd ball. Wow, is it really rocket science?
"Always the oddball" is kind of vague, and could apply to plenty of other people as well. You could arguably make a more compelling case for that in wylted or mago as well. You have done it ad nauseum with kohai.
Many people including you I believe have explicitly told me in DMs that he’s straight weird and odd. Wylted is a smart guy. Mago is a smart guy. Are you really comparing them to Thoth? Kohai I agree with you. He was next on the list, but there was more to work with Thoth
Most of you all are odd, if you mean that literally. Don't understand how being odd has anything to do with them being scum.
Youre conflating two separate things. My original push on Thoth was because I wanted to solve him early. Then after rereading, I saw he was basically following you with respect to Wylted. Not just me who saw it after I pointed it out. Wylted and Mag1c did as well. So then best case, we lynch scum Thoth. Worst case we solve Thoth as town.
3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once
Translation: Lynch completely randomly to get attention off himself, ignoring the fact that Casey is equally inactive.
im fine lynching Casey too lol. Want to switch to her lmfao? Bffr
If I let you off the hook for not claiming, and you end up being scum I am never gonna forgive myself for getting played lol so no.
Im not playing you. Literally just use basic logic. It’s back to the whole Vanilla thing. Just cause I think different and want to cover my bases doesn’t mean I’m scum. The logic only to you is bad. It made sense to Mag1c in both cases I believe. Like literally just look at how hard you’re tunneling me
I don't believe there is any basis in reality to the tunneling accusation, I think you use that word as a talking point to discredit my arguments and overall point. I am simply holding you to the same standards you would hold anyone else in your position. You and I both know if someone else is doing the same thing you aren't sitting on your laurels and letting them do this. We have policy lynched people for this type of thing plenty of time before. Me and you are not an exclusion to the rule we enforce because of our time and experience in this game.
We policy lynch people for refusing to claim at L-1. You’re actively advocating to lynch me regardless of my claim. Theres a massive difference
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:19 AM (post #263)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:16 AM (post #261)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183
And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard
Soft claiming isn't a compromise, its a cop out that lets you get away with it. Thoth didn't have a good reason to claim. You are the only person who seems to genuinely scum read him. Wylted and kohai are on that wagon and seem to be more or less bandwagoning you, where as the people voting you actually seem to scum read you. The difference in the quality of the wagon make up is staggering.
Lol really? I’ll let you decide how you want me to soft claim. Something only you would know. Your wagon literally has Mago who hasn’t done anything. And then Thoth who voted me before you. I have Wylted who you think is town if I’m not mistaken, and Kohai who has claimed to be confirmable. Pretty easy
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:18 AM (post #262)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:14 AM (post #259)
Also L-1 is not an intimidation tactic. It ensures there’s at least 2 townies wanting a claim from you. It’s golden rule. Common sense. I never said I’m refusing to claim at L-1. I wholeheartedly and happily will, as I’ve done all the time
You are going to be a major interest for the rest of the game. If you are town, mafia will be paranoid of you anyway for your resistance to claiming and holding the day phase hostage til the last hour and a half. There is 0 benefit for you as town to be doing this. There is benefit to stalling your claim if you are scum however. Waiting for POE to narrow down helps with finding a role to fit whatever fake character you got, assuming scum chose the characters and not the questions. You don't want to be locked into a claim, have town decide its scummy, and press you for a role whilst you are unprepared for it.
You and I both know that as scum I have claims prepared and ready to go. And if scum want to keep me alive, Godspeed to them because I will sniff em out. It’s better than just being NKed NP1 every single time.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:15 AM (post #260)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:06 AM (post #254)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:04 AM (post #251)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #247)
Options are simple.
1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)
2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort
Lynch the dude who is acting differently than he normally does by tunneling someone for the oddest reason, giving kohai a pass when he normally pushes him d1, and instead trying to intimidate people away from lynching him even though he would never give someone else the same pass in his shoes.
The reason is common sense in wanting to solve Thoth early because he’s always an odd ball. Wow, is it really rocket science?
"Always the oddball" is kind of vague, and could apply to plenty of other people as well. You could arguably make a more compelling case for that in wylted or mago as well. You have done it ad nauseum with kohai.
Many people including you I believe have explicitly told me in DMs that he’s straight weird and odd. Wylted is a smart guy. Mago is a smart guy. Are you really comparing them to Thoth? Kohai I agree with you. He was next on the list, but there was more to work with Thoth
3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once
Translation: Lynch completely randomly to get attention off himself, ignoring the fact that Casey is equally inactive.
im fine lynching Casey too lol. Want to switch to her lmfao? Bffr
If I let you off the hook for not claiming, and you end up being scum I am never gonna forgive myself for getting played lol so no.
Im not playing you. Literally just use basic logic. It’s back to the whole Vanilla thing. Just cause I think different and want to cover my bases doesn’t mean I’m scum. The logic only to you is bad. It made sense to Mag1c in both cases I believe. Like literally just look at how hard you’re tunneling me
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:12 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #256)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
"I still want a claim from pie. Character at least. I could be persuaded into an inactive lynch if we can’t get a replacement soon."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-1?page=7&comment_number=183
And I said I’m willing to compromise with you. To which you refuse. Thoth didn’t full claim at L-3 did he? He didn’t even character claim. So again, double standard
Also L-1 is not an intimidation tactic. It ensures there’s at least 2 townies wanting a claim from you. It’s golden rule. Common sense. I never said I’m refusing to claim at L-1. I wholeheartedly and happily will, as I’ve done all the time
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:07 AM (post #255)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:05 AM (post #252)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:01 AM (post #248)
Pie wants to die on this hill. Let’s oblige him.
Lol, you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim. And by doing so, you’re purposely splitting the lynch and going closer to a no lynch, which only benefits scum
Before you chose intimidation tactics by claiming you would wait til l-1 I would have been happy to move on after a claim.
Oh no no no. You said that long before we got this far. At this point you’re actively letting a No Lynch happen. If anyone is the terrorist, it’s you. I’m fine claiming first thing tomorrow. I’m willing to compromise. You’re like no. Die.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:06 AM (post #253)
All this talk of tunneling when all you realistically had to do to get me to switch to Rex was claim, the same way you pushed Thoth to claim. I would have switched to Rex, you took it this far mate.
At this point you’re just lying. You explicitly said you want to lynch me regardless of what I claim lol
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:04 AM (post #251)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #247)
Options are simple.
1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)
2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort
Lynch the dude who is acting differently than he normally does by tunneling someone for the oddest reason, giving kohai a pass when he normally pushes him d1, and instead trying to intimidate people away from lynching him even though he would never give someone else the same pass in his shoes.
The reason is common sense in wanting to solve Thoth early because he’s always an odd ball. Wow, is it really rocket science?
3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once
Translation: Lynch completely randomly to get attention off himself, ignoring the fact that Casey is equally inactive.
im fine lynching Casey too lol. Want to switch to her lmfao? Bffr
Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once or lynch the active townie who’s being tunneled, so much so that he said he doesn’t care even if I claim. Use your common sense folks
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:01 AM (post #246)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:59 AM (post #241)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:57 AM (post #239)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:59 AM (post #223)
2.5 hours left
And your holding the day phase hostage by not claiming? How would you treat anyone else doing this?
I would’ve claimed, but you were literally like, I’m fine lynching him anyways. Nice way to get somebody to claim lol
Your claim doesn’t just convince one person, it convinces every person voting you. If you are unwilling to do it for me, do it to convince them. Or be lynched. I asked you how you would treat anyone else doing this, and you chose not to answer. That’s pretty telling.
Im not going to lynch the most active dude for refusing to claim with 3 votes over someone who has been AWOL all day. Common sense lol. Youre just obsessed with your tunnel that basically only two people agree with. One is Thoth who basically has gone AWOL, and the other is a guy who is notorious for being scum when he’s inactive
Options are simple.
1) No Lynch (we lose a lynch)
2) Lynch the most active guy over a tunnel effort
3) Lynch the inactive who hasn’t posted once
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:58 AM (post #240)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:57 AM (post #238)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:55 AM (post #236)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 7:51 AM (post #234)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 8:49 AM (post #232)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/28/2026 at 6:26 AM (post #214)
Honestly, though, yall frustrate me sometimes. Pie is not as active, he’s scum. Pie is active, he must be scum. Pie refuses to claim, so lynch him anyways. Oh wait other people refuse to L-1, let’s move on from them.
Sounds like PDS to me - Pie Derangement Syndrome
No one mentioned your activity so you are projecting. We have policy lynched people for inactivity plenty of time, but it’s something we do in absence of other reads. You are the other read in this situation. Intimidation tactics can’t always save you.
Im talking the previous game lol where I almost got lynched while sleeping. Regardless, we’re at an impasse, and I’m willing to compromise to move on
The last game was entirely inactive dp1 until like the last two hours. We’d have had to have policy lynched everyone to get out of that conundrum. Regardless what compromise are you talking about? Are you going to claim?
Im not going to full claim, but we can meet in the middle. I’m willing to soft claim
You are at L-2, with a fast expiring day phase. You don’t hold the bargaining chips you think you do. At most you get lucky and people will be too inactive to hammer you.
I mean if you’re just going to tunnel me, I have no reason to acquiesce to your request. You’re holding a double standard. REF gets away with it every time. Thoth got away with it lol
