ILikePie5

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:19 PM (post #30)

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/23/2026 at 5:53 AM (post #14)

My character is false vacuum decay. It’s a fake a quantum state that is meta stable and because I am false I am Miller

I can’t give you free town cred for this bc if someone else were miller, they’d’ve SOPed by now, meaning mafia knew it was a free thing to claim… but only if someone replaced in.

This is not a scumcase. Just not giving free towncred due to the specific circumstances.

I think he’s town because of something in my PM, unless Bullish is a troll and specifically gave Miller as the fake claim

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)

Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.

that would be me.

And pray tell what you did

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 3:10 AM (post #10)

Pie, I want to revisit your slot a little because you were one of the main conversations early in DP1, but I don't think we ever really got a complete picture of where you were at.

Looking back at your pressure on Kohai, what was your actual goal there? Were you mainly trying to get a reaction, test his claim, force activity, or were you genuinely leaning toward him as scum?

I explained this last DP. Force him into a claim. If it’s rock solid, he’s town or he has a partner who’s good at crafting fake claims. At the end though, I scumread him for his claim. The behavior doesn’t make sense with Treestump, and then he refused to character claim.

If you didn't suspect him, at what point did you move away from Kohai as a serious suspect? Was there something specific that changed your mind, or was it more that other people became more interesting? He actually had a decent wagon on him at the end, and even though he was refusing to claim you still chose to go with vader, which I find very interesting.

I preferred Kohai because there was less risk there, but I hammered because we needed a lynch, and I also scumread him

Who are your top two scumreads right now, and what is the strongest piece of evidence against each?

I will reveal this after the person who visited me confesses

Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.

VTL Vader

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:17 PM (post #348)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/22/2026 at 11:15 AM (post #346)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:10 PM (post #343)

Before we end the phase I really think you should give some sort of soft. You are absolutely the only person besides kiggans who hasn't given any sort of soft, which defeats the purpose of a mass soft. Are you afraid to lock yourself into something?

We shouldn’t have mass softed in the first place. And Kiggans definitely should go first

Why not? You seem pretty pro "getting claims". A soft just locks people in into something they can't back out of without giving away real information.

Claims are solid, softs aren’t, but fine idrc, mine can be good or bad depending on who you ask

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:10 PM (post #343)

Before we end the phase I really think you should give some sort of soft. You are absolutely the only person besides kiggans who hasn't given any sort of soft, which defeats the purpose of a mass soft. Are you afraid to lock yourself into something?

We shouldn’t have mass softed in the first place. And Kiggans definitely should go first

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 12:08 PM (post #341)

Pie moving to unvote essentially secured my fate tbh

Scum team is probably Magic/Kohai. If I was a cop I’d be more in a fit but a roleblocker doesn’t do anything but neg utility anyway and I can make fun of Pie for being wrong

Convince someone here to vote with Kohai and I’ll consider voting Kohai

unvote

Official Vote Count

vader (4/5) - Banana, Thoth, lunatic, Kohai

Kohai (4/5) - Pie, whiteflame, magic, Vader

Not voting: JenKiggans,

This has to be MvM or MvT. High odds at least one scum between Vader and Kohai with wagonomics and interactions

Vader refusing to vote Kohai is extremely concerning. Town Vader would’ve voted Kohai by now vs sticking to his guns on Mag1c

Wagon being stalled between Kohai and Vader? 👀👀

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:12 AM (post #285)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/22/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #258)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #212)

Still townreading you but I'm really not liking your disappearance when you don't really have to defend yourself.

If town doesn’t want to follow me, then tell me what to do. I’ve said 50 times to get Kohai to full claim, and crickets. We’ve been going in circles all DP, just like I said we would.

you’ve gotten your reactions out of Kohai. Is there something specific you suspect there or not?

He’s already admitted his justification doesn’t make sense even though he hasn’t claimed his character. He’s a tree stump, so his paranoia makes no sense

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:40 AM (post #286)

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 10:27 AM (post #266)

I am a solar flare. My role is a 2x roleblocker. Do with that as you will. Gonna be slammed all day today

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 10:28 AM (post #267)

The logic was that if a flare was big enough it can fry EMPs causing a blackout

Justification tracks, the role is a common scum role, although town roleblockers have picked up in popularity over the years.

The claim doesn’t really push me away from the behavior.

Keep in mind if Vader is scum, then it means 1) Mafia was specifically given a fake character claim only. 2) The team situation is such that Vader was the preferred option to use the fake claim.

Kohai/Vader would be hilarious. It fits the play too. I don’t think there’s been much interaction between the two

I don’t like either of their claims, though Kohai needs to claim is character ASAP to see if justification makes sense

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/22/2026 at 9:37 AM (post #274)

I won’t claim character or justification. I will however claim tree stump (now you know why I was hesitant to claim). Unfortunately y’all can ML me for the upteenth time but y’all are stuck with me the rest of the game

Why are you hesitant to claim Tree Stump? It’s basically useless

Ya I don’t like the claim from Vader at all. The justification lines up for sure, but 2x Roleblocker could just as easily be the scum role with the Solar Flare as the potential fake character claim.

READS:

Pie - 100% Town

Thoth - Lean Scum - There’s nothing going on with Thoth that I feel comfortable about. First it’s the PM thing. It’s NAI, I don’t see the need to talk about it as town, but as scum, it’s a conditioning argument. If town is primed that Thoth’s PM isn’t reliable, then they will buy stuff that is obviously a slip. Then I’ve asked him 5 times why he’s voting me. Crickets. Just lurks for most of the day, and then just now moves to Vader, where the wind is blowing. Note that I called out Vader first. Just doesn’t feel authentic to me

Vader - Lean Scum - I called this out early on before anyone. Another case of go where the wind blows, but if i remember correctly, this is his scum meta. There haven’t been many independent ideas, just an urge to fit in and prevent isolating himself. It’s classic mafia behavior 101z

Kohai - Null - We need to push him for a full claim. It gives us a boatload of info. If the claim is rock solid, he’s either town, or has a partner who is effective are crafting fake claims ie Mag1c, WF, Luna.

Whiteflame - Null - I don’t think there’s much to go with in terms of WF. The block reads don’t strike me as AI; he would do that as both affiliations. Regardless, at 4 hours left, he’s not a target

Mag1c - Null - There’s things pulling me in both directions with Mag1c. There’s stuff that’s townie, and then there’s stuff that’s scummy. The townie piece is going after Pie and that whole fiasco, as well as some other stuff like pointing out stuff about Vader. Scummy piece is going after JenKiggans immediately after me at a time where he still suspected Kohai. It just seemed odd to me, but right now, I don’t think he needs to be solved

Jen Kiggans - Null - Not much to go with here

Lunatic - Slight Town - As scum, early on, Luna is relatively lowkey. I don’t see him draw attention to himself with this much back and forth with Mag1c. As scum, he would’ve stopped the scuffle long ago to seem like he’s doing stuff but then looks the other way.

Banana - Lean Town - I like the block posts, but I’ll note that it’s NAI for her. I do like the questions she asked me. They were very insightful to me, and it demonstrated she was looking for more information that would help her form reads better. It’s just a unique perspective that I think is pretty challenging for scum to replicate. I also like the mediating between Luna and Mag1c. I felt the same way.

Also, can we plz disable signatures for Mafia games. Its cluttering the DP

Here’s your warning that you’re at L-1, so please full claim.

Originally Posted by Banana on 9/22/2026 at 2:40 AM (post #245)

i think both of you are kinda talking past each other at this point lol

magic, i dont think lunatic is saying that changing reads is scummy. i think his issue is just that some of the changes feel bigger than the reasons he was given for them. i dont think thats an unreasonable thing to question

lunatic, i also think youre maybe giving magic less credit than he deserves here. he wasnt just like "i reread pie and decided hes town." he said he was putting too much weight on the previous game and once he got past that he thought pies pressure on kohai could actually make sense as a reaction test

i think the bigger thing for me is that both of you are starting to argue about how the other one is arguing instead of the actual reads lol

lunatic keeps saying magic isnt explaining it enough and magic keeps saying lunatic is being disingenuous or trying to control the conversation. neither of those things really gets us anywhere

from where im sitting, i actually think both of you look more town because of this

right now id probably leave both of you as town and look somewhere else for scum because i dont think this fight is getting us anywhere anymore

+1 with this

It’s all semantics. There are bigger fish to fry, namely Kohai, Vader, and Thoth

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 2:15 AM (post #240)

dude where are you. I"m starting to lose confidence in my townread on you.Like the second I townread you and the pressure disappears, you just disappear.

Im here and catching up

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #212)

Still townreading you but I'm really not liking your disappearance when you don't really have to defend yourself.

If town doesn’t want to follow me, then tell me what to do. I’ve said 50 times to get Kohai to full claim, and crickets. We’ve been going in circles all DP, just like I said we would.

Alright folks, 4 hours left, and where are we? Let me catch up, but I suspect…no where

Originally Posted by JenKiggans2026 on 9/21/2026 at 5:06 PM (post #171)

Impressive detecting. I've always been really good at mafia irl but this being my first time playing it online it's proving to be difficult because I can't watch people's posture, follow their eyes, listen to their tone, etc. I might be a useless member of this round because I'm still trying to get used to it, sorry

Welcome - Are you aware of all the different roles and mechanics?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 1:13 PM (post #156)

Well with that logic we wouldn’t ask for claims at all right? No idea is that let’s say he is scum, he uses the fake character claim. He still has to provide justification and the fake role. Thats where they get caught.

wait, how do you know it's a fake character claim?

Scum slip?

It was a hypothetical. It could be the other way around as well. You still need a justification

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:53 PM (post #148)

Originally Posted by Bullish on 9/21/2026 at 3:08 AM (post #126)

Official Vote Count

Pie (3/5) - Kohai, Thoth, magic

Kohai (1/5) - Pie

Not voting: Banana, JenKiggans, lunatic, Vader, whiteflame

DP1 ends 09/22 14:00 EST

DP ENDS IN SEVEN MINUTES

it ends tomorrow bruh

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:43 PM (post #146)

Thoth - solid town

I don't think scum is likely to claim that their role contradicts the OP. Possible for town cred but it's drawing a lot of attention so it's hard for me to call Thoth scum here. Only argument is opportunism - that he voted Pie bc Kohai did. But that's not a given. I can see why town would sus Pie's vote on Kohai, so I can't blame him for it. That being said...

Pie - solid town

So, enters the DP immedately pressuring Kohai. Now that could be him distancing Kohai, or just looking to get a mislynch. His stated reasons are that Kohai folds under pressure and that town needs to generate activity. Seems like an RVS vote, maybe looking to get his claim just to nail him down bc he can be mislynch bait, or reaction testing, or all of the above. #19 #32 #72 #73 all seem consistent in that regard. When pressured, he does his strategy of making sure he claims at L-1 to ensure at least two townies want his claim... it's good for info.

I think Pie can fake all of this. But the consistency looks nice and something that can be faked is not inherently scummy; I'm realizing that I started out with the assumption of scum Pie when I shouldn't have. And nothing really strikes as off upon rereading him. So I'm gonna flip my read and go town on Pie.

Unvote

Kohai - tossup

Enters the DP, immediately on the defensive, challenging Pie. Voting off Pie voting him. For Kohai idt the OMGUS is scummy in this situation. Not much else to go off of. He's disappeared, but he's got a holiday today, and late yesterday.

Only thing that feels off is #51. LIke it could be preparing a bad claim/covering for one. Mafia typically has an incentive to have a rational claim, making sure it's air tight. Warnings like that are from players who don't have the strongest fake claiming. I can see Kohai fitting in that camp. But it's no guarantee. I can see Kohai actually just having a stretched justification, given what Thoth has softed.

I continue this in a second but I'm locking in and now I think we should move on from Pie and Kohai. Feels like a dead end.

Idk who to pressure rn.

Pie, and Thoth, what are your thoughts?

Nail Kohai and then go for the wishy washy people ie Vader

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:01 PM (post #138)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/21/2026 at 11:19 AM (post #134)

If you want my full claim, just verbally say it, no need to vote me. I don’t want a mishammer.

do it so we can move on and least get one claim down... after that I might still want to look at kohai but i'm not liking lunatic's and whiteflame's approaches

Youre already on my wagon