Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #236)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 2:46 PM (post #34)
I prefer the MU meta where flavor claiming is outright banned when flavor is ai
Could I lecture about Mafia theory? To me, the essence of Mafia is that it is a game of reading people. Not just behavior in general, but of figuring out what THIS person would do in THAT situation. Like any other mechanic, flavor claiming is good if it leads to thinking about whether or not the person claiming something would make that claim, and bad if it leads to analyzing how much sense the claim makes in a vacuum. Alignment-indicative flavor just needs good game design to go with it.
Mine was an SOP claim
Originally Posted by Thoth on 10/7/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #236)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 2:46 PM (post #34)
I prefer the MU meta where flavor claiming is outright banned when flavor is ai
Could I lecture about Mafia theory? To me, the essence of Mafia is that it is a game of reading people. Not just behavior in general, but of figuring out what THIS person would do in THAT situation. Like any other mechanic, flavor claiming is good if it leads to thinking about whether or not the person claiming something would make that claim, and bad if it leads to analyzing how much sense the claim makes in a vacuum. Alignment-indicative flavor just needs good game design to go with it.
Yeah. The problem with AI flavor is that town can easily clear multiple people with just flavor claims and scum need to have very good ways to counter act that and really good fake xlakms.
Alright we have grind to a hault. I think we've got enough out of htis day phase and feel I'm ready to end it. Shining should be the PL 100%. Generally I hate Pls but in this setup this is kinda must.
What I think we should do: Everyone confirm that your actions have been submitted (even if you have no actions). This gives us time to make sure everyone gets their actions before a hammer.
I'll be honest, I'm not confident in my reads at all. This is where I'm kinda at right now though.
Noah: I feel this is noob town just for the early character claim. I do like what he has contributed to the discussions.
Helz / Mag1c: Two possible pairings I'm looking at. Helz' n0 hypos were a bit weird because this is like never a thing and he's never even suggested this. I'll let him cook some more but what strikes me is that both Helz and mag1c hypo'd players that aren't in the game. Helz may have a valid excuse if the player list was incorrect but mag1c does not. Like lunatic, I also don't love is him pushing to flavor claim.
Whiteflame / Shining: Another possible team I'm looking at especially if shining flips mafia. Whiteflame's vote on them out of frustration could be pairing. At the time of the vote several other players have yet to chime in.
Magoroth: He's been fairly active this day phase and active mago usually means town mago. Slight town lean on them.
Thoth: Null. Hope you feel better.
Lunatic: Slight town lean on asking the early question about night actions. Maybe a town slip? That said, I do know luna is capable of faking that. I need to see more content from him.
Again, I'm not confident on any of this.
Possible pairings
Helz, Lunatic
Helz, Mag1cman
Helz, Magoroth
Helz, NoAhLeEcLaRk
Helz, Shining
Helz, whiteflame
Helz, Thoth
Lunatic, Mag1cman
Lunatic, Magoroth
Lunatic, NoAhLeEcLaRk
Lunatic, Shining
Lunatic, whiteflame
Lunatic, Thoth
Mag1cman, Magoroth
Mag1cman, NoAhLeEcLaRk
Mag1cman, Shining
Mag1cman, whiteflame
Mag1cman, Thoth
Magoroth, NoAhLeEcLaRk
Magoroth, Shining
Magoroth, whiteflame
Magoroth, Thoth
NoAhLeEcLaRk, Shining
NoAhLeEcLaRk, whiteflame
NoAhLeEcLaRk, Thoth
Shining, whiteflame
Shining, Thoth
whiteflame, Thoth
Process of elimination
Helz, Magoroth - not liekly to be paird
Removing Noah
Here is the filtered list of 21 possible pairs that do not include NoAhLeEcLaRk:
Helz, Lunatic
Helz, Mag1cman
Helz, Magoroth
Helz, Shining
Helz, whiteflame
Helz, Thoth
Lunatic, Mag1cman
Lunatic, Magoroth
Lunatic, Shining
Lunatic, whiteflame
Lunatic, Thoth
Mag1cman, Magoroth
Mag1cman, Shining
Mag1cman, whiteflame
Mag1cman, Thoth
Magoroth, Shining
Magoroth, whiteflame
Magoroth, Thoth
Shining, whiteflame
Shining, Thoth
whiteflame, Thoth
The most plausible team I'm looking at in a t!Sining world is Helz / Mag1c for reasons I mentioned earlier. In addition this progression was a bit weird:
Mag1c
p#161 - Not understanding the idea behind helz
p#162 - I explain it
p#163 - Hypos two people, one of which is not even playing.
All of this exchange happened in under 3 minutes
The biggest issue I'm trying to resolve is why both would hypo folks not playing.
his vote put him at L1. I had unvoted to prevent an early hammer and he followed. Nothing weird IMO about that
Since we all need to get night actions in before the day ends I think I like what Helz did earlier. Whoever wants to hammer should tag everyone and let them know the exact time they will lay out the hammer. This gives everyone else time to modify or submit actions
VTL: Shining
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/7/2026 at 10:10 AM (post #209)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/7/2026 at 10:02 AM (post #207)
Shining still hasn’t shown up. Down for a PL on them if they don’t show
Not a fan of just lynching inactives, but in this game with the clock constantly running, that might just be the best play for DP1. He's had almost 24 hours.
Yeah. Normally I’d wait for a replacement but with clock ticking we are on a time crunch.
Shining still hasn’t shown up. Down for a PL on them if they don’t show
One thing that kinda struck me about the n0 hypos here: Both Helz and Mag1c hypos folks not in the game. Not sure if that means anything or not.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 10:32 PM (post #167)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #165)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)
I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.
I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.
I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.
You realize pie isn’t in the game right?
I forgot he helped Savant smh
🤦♂️
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #165)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 10/6/2026 at 8:15 PM (post #163)
I guess if I had an NP1 cop, it's between Pie and Noah.
I hate reading noobs; having certainty on Pie is always great.
I'm highkey thankful Noah claimed even it wasn't a good play. It helps.
You realize pie isn’t in the game right?
🤦♂️
Thats literally the second player who hypos a person not playing the game
The idea is that if the cop dies we can look back and get their checks.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:23 PM (post #154)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 10/6/2026 at 7:11 PM (post #152)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #150)
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)
They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.
I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.
Same
To be clear wolves have had popular modifiers like this in Mikal’s games.
Yeah I have also made scum populars in many of my games, its very NAI.
Hence why I was clear that it would prove my role and not necessarily alignment
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 10/6/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #150)
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 3:39 PM (post #81)
They claimed a "Popular" role modifier. This means for them to be eliminated they will require 1 extra vote. This can be proven by voting them to verify they do not get eliminated.
I personally just didn't care. I could see either Town or Wolves having such a modifier and I simply believe their claim given how easily it can be verified. So I accepted it as truth and moved on.
Same
To be clear wolves have had popular modifiers like this in Mikal’s games.
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/6/2026 at 9:09 PM (post #149)
What do you mean hammering?
Hammering is when a player is lynched This happens once a person meets the number of votes (in this day phase 5) required to lynch
Originally Posted by NoAhLeEcLaRk on 10/6/2026 at 9:07 PM (post #147)
are you asking me to unvote Kohai?
No. I am just unvoting to prevent someone from accidentally hammering
Unvote
Prevent accidental hammer.
Vote Count
Shinning (4/5): Helz, WF, Kohai, Noah
Kohai (2/5): Mag, Noah
Vote Count
Shinning (2/5): Helz, WF, Kohai
Kohai (2/5): Mag, Noah
VTL shining
for pressure as they’re the only ones not in the game.
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 7:05 PM (post #122)
Im not opposed to doing a policy. This game in particular with a hard timeline town will just loose we can not afford to have that in the late game.
Sadly agree with this. Unlike other games we have a hard 7 day time limit. The longer we stall the easier it is for scum to win
Also n0s are almost never a thing around here
Originally Posted by Helz on 10/6/2026 at 6:35 PM (post #114)
Standard D1 strategy of insulating potential alignment cops N0 peek.
Essentially if every player posts a peek then if an alignment cop is killed we do not have to guess who they checked. If I am the alignment cop I am then insulated while town is given direct claims post flip. If I am not then any other alignment cop would be protected and able to out claims without fear.
I fully understand the theory behind it. But if you want it to be effective then why hypo a person not even playing the game???
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 10/6/2026 at 6:23 PM (post #108)
While we're at it, might as well drag in more players.
VTL Shining
Where are you?
If shining ends up flipping scum I will be looking at Wf as a strong potential pairing.
Alright. Let’s get this game going
Helz: You opened up with N0 on Rex, who isn’t even in the game. What was the point of hypo claiming n0 results when you hypo’s a player who wasn’t even in the game